April 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Announcer methods are bloated

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi Doug in addition I do not like to use on:do: since I prefer to keep it for exception. Now did you check senders of each of these methods? What would be a path to go to your solution. In fact subscribe:do: is not a really good name too. I prefer on: do: (even if I do not like the overload) and on:send:do: I think that we could deprecate when:do: first. Then may be deprecate subscribe:do: Stef On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:07 PM, DougEdmunds wrote: > If Announcements are newly added to core (discussion at > http://forum.world.st/Announcements-in-core-images-tc3188286.html) > why not start with a trimmed down set of methods? Why start with bloat? > > Announcer has these two core methods: > > 1) subscribe:do > 2) subscribe:send:to: > > are fine. > > There is no need for > 3) on:do (just calls 1) > 4) on:send:to: (just calls 2) > 5) when:do (also justs calls 1) > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Announcer-methods-are-bloated-tp3461131p3461131.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Networking change in Pharo 1.2?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok thanks for the analysis. We should really be able to collect such information and build regression tests. Right now we have test checking for simple behavior but I would like to capture the regression you spotted. I do not know what was the "avoids fixing the plugin bug" but I would like to know that too. Stef > Just bench it: > > Before change: > > [ NetNameResolver localHostAddress ] bench " '34,000 per second.' " > > After change: > > [ NetNameResolver localHostAddress ] bench " '31 per second.' " > > In just looking at the reason given for making the change, it says > this is to satisfy an _exceptional_ case; e.g., the case where "no > network connection is available." > > Then I look at the new code called by #localHostAddress and becomes obvious why: > > isConnected > "Dirty, but avoids fixing the plugin bug" > [NetNameResolver addressForName: 'www.esug.org'.] on: > NameLookupFailure do: [:ex| ^false]. > ^true > > A hard-coded nslookup to 'www.esug.org' wrapped in an exception-handler? Wow! > > If this isn't enough, you can run the Magma test-suite to see the > effect on a real-world networking application. > > I recommend Pharo crew revert this change and consider a different approach. > > - Chris > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> yes >> Now do you have a description how we can reproduce your problem because the fix was fixing something. >> and it would be good to understand what is the deeper problem. >> Stef >> >> On Apr 19, 2011, at 4:20 AM, Chris Muller wrote: >> >>> Thank you too; it was a bruising problem I'm glad to have it identified. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Chris Muller wrote: >>>> >>>>>> The only change to NetNameResolver was this: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1853 >>>>> >>>>> Reverting this change fixed it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks! I have opend the issue again for 1.2.2 and 1.3 >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Off Topic | About Developmet Process

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 19, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > I recently came across these two articles that I think are relevant to the Pharo Smalltalk development process: > > Thoughts on Software Quality > > https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/thoughts-on-software-qu… > > About improving vs rebuilding, about complaining about part you are not involved in, ... This is a really good analysis and I agree with it. I would add that we can also have high standard about quality :) > > The Lisp Curse > > http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html > > About the fact that powerful languages have social problems, ... > > Sven > > >

April 19, 2011

[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 51 - TestCaseAnnouncement

by laurent laffont

Today: TestCaseAnnouncement Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I forgot...something else I would love to have for the new squeaksource is a ConfigurationOfSmalltalkHub (or similar) so that everybody can set up their own private monticello server with a SmalltalkHub look and feel. This is REALLY important for companies and business (they all run they own svn/cvs/etc server). Usually, prepare an image and make it work with squeaksource,is complicated. But I see that the SmalltalkHub is commited in the same SmalltalkHub so I think it should be easy to get that, shouldn't it ? Cheers Mariano On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 12:01 -0700, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : > > On 04/19/2011 11:33 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > > > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > > >> Great. > > >> > > >> Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most > likely be deleted before the final release? > > >> > > > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > > > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) > > > > Yep, it's back ... I'll wait a day or two and then start the push again > > ... I just wanted to see if the basic push (MetacelloBrowser archive > > version) would work against SmalltalkHub... > Yes, it should, if it wasn't for this bug. > It has to be tested anyway :) > > Nicolas > > > > Dale > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Nicolas Petton

Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 12:01 -0700, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : > On 04/19/2011 11:33 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > >> Great. > >> > >> Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? > >> > > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) > > Yep, it's back ... I'll wait a day or two and then start the push again > ... I just wanted to see if the basic push (MetacelloBrowser archive > version) would work against SmalltalkHub... Yes, it should, if it wasn't for this bug. It has to be tested anyway :) Nicolas > > Dale -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Dale Henrichs

On 04/19/2011 11:33 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : >> Great. >> >> Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? >> > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) Yep, it's back ... I'll wait a day or two and then start the push again ... I just wanted to see if the basic push (MetacelloBrowser archive version) would work against SmalltalkHub... Dale

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Nicolas Petton

Thanks Mariano, This is all planned, and for the CSS issue, I'll fix it too. Cheers, Nicolas Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:46 +0200, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > Hi guys. This is awesome work. Everybody have already said all the > good things, so I will just comment the little problems I saw: > > - It would be cool to put title / logo in the tabs of the browser. > Sorry, I don't know how this is called in the web terminology. > > - Overlapping in the "search" and "Create a new account" or "Create a > new project". Using latest Firefox on Mac OS. > > - Only MIT as default license > > - It would be cool to define own labels in the issue tracker > > Thanks a lot for this great work. AWESOME. > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Esteban Lorenzano > <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...and I suppose the final url won't > be http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/ neither, but something > like: http://smalltalkhub.st/ :) > > > Nicolas, this is really great work!!!! > > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > > El 19/04/2011, a las 3:33p.m., Nicolas Petton escribiÃ³: > > > > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > > > Great. > > > > > > Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will > > > they most likely be deleted before the final release? > > > > > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should > > be up now ;) > > 2. I can't assure you that the db won't be deleted > > > > Cheers, > > Nicolas > > > > > Cheers, > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: > > > > > > > What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: > > > > > > > > Gofer it > > > > squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > > > fetch. > > > > > > > > Gofer it > > > > url: > > > > 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > > > push. > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > > > > > > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > > > > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton > > > > <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are happy to announce the first public demo of > > > > SmalltalkHub: > > > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr > > > > > > > > You can explore SmalltalkHub at: > > > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore > > > > > > > > This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing > > > > purposes only. > > > > Several features that will be included in the final > > > > release are missing, > > > > especially: > > > > > > > > - Team management > > > > - Client-side scripting features > > > > - Full commit lists > > > > > > > > Still incomplete features: > > > > - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list > > > > of forks is > > > > missing > > > > - The issue tracker is only partly implemented > > > > - Several admin tools are missing > > > > - The explore page misses a few things > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Objectfusion S.A.R.L. > > > > > > > > Web application development & design > > > > http://www.objectfusion.fr/en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > "Being happy is a matter of choice." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Nicolas Petton > > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Max Leske

It is called "favicon" :) On 19.04.2011, at 20:46, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi guys. This is awesome work. Everybody have already said all the good things, so I will just comment the little problems I saw: > > - It would be cool to put title / logo in the tabs of the browser. Sorry, I don't know how this is called in the web terminology. > > - Overlapping in the "search" and "Create a new account" or "Create a new project". Using latest Firefox on Mac OS. > > - Only MIT as default license > > - It would be cool to define own labels in the issue tracker > > Thanks a lot for this great work. AWESOME. > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...and I suppose the final url won't be http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/ neither, but something like: http://smalltalkhub.st/ :) > > Nicolas, this is really great work!!!! > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > El 19/04/2011, a las 3:33p.m., Nicolas Petton escribiÃ³: > >> Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : >>> Great. >>> >>> Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? >>> >> No, you should wait. 2 reasons: >> 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) >> 2. I can't assure you that the db won't be deleted >> >> Cheers, >> Nicolas >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: >>> >>>> What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Core'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Help'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; >>>> fetch. >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Core'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Help'; >>>> package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; >>>> push. >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>>> >>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: >>>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr >>>> >>>> You can explore SmalltalkHub at: >>>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore >>>> >>>> This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. >>>> Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, >>>> especially: >>>> >>>> - Team management >>>> - Client-side scripting features >>>> - Full commit lists >>>> >>>> Still incomplete features: >>>> - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is >>>> missing >>>> - The issue tracker is only partly implemented >>>> - Several admin tools are missing >>>> - The explore page misses a few things >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nicolas >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Objectfusion S.A.R.L. >>>> >>>> Web application development & design >>>> http://www.objectfusion.fr/en >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Being happy is a matter of choice." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Nicolas Petton >> http://www.nicolas-petton.fr >> >> > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. This is awesome work. Everybody have already said all the good things, so I will just comment the little problems I saw: - It would be cool to put title / logo in the tabs of the browser. Sorry, I don't know how this is called in the web terminology. - Overlapping in the "search" and "Create a new account" or "Create a new project". Using latest Firefox on Mac OS. - Only MIT as default license - It would be cool to define own labels in the issue tracker Thanks a lot for this great work. AWESOME. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > ...and I suppose the final url won't be > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/ neither, but something like: > http://smalltalkhub.st/ :) > > Nicolas, this is really great work!!!! > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > El 19/04/2011, a las 3:33p.m., Nicolas Petton escribiÃ³: > > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > > Great. > > > Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely > be deleted before the final release? > > > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) > 2. I can't assure you that the db won't be deleted > > Cheers, > Nicolas > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: > > > What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > fetch. > > > Gofer it > > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > push. > > > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr > > > You can explore SmalltalkHub at: > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore > > > This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. > > Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, > > especially: > > > - Team management > > - Client-side scripting features > > - Full commit lists > > > Still incomplete features: > > - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is > > missing > > - The issue tracker is only partly implemented > > - Several admin tools are missing > > - The explore page misses a few things > > > Cheers, > > Nicolas > > > -- > > Objectfusion S.A.R.L. > > > Web application development & design > > http://www.objectfusion.fr/en > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > "Being happy is a matter of choice." > > > > > > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 19, 2011