April 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove #class as a Compiler optimization

by Mariano Martinez Peck

So....I tried with running all tests of a PharoCore 1.3 and I've got this: cog vm with optimization Time to run all tests:116506 cog vm without optimization Time to run all tests:121930 121930 - 116506 ----> 5424 ((5424 * 100) / 116506) asFloat ---> 4.655554220383499 So...in Cog, running all test, there is an overhead of 4.6% Do we want to pay it ? I would...but I am all ears. Cheers Mariano On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillo.bruni(a)inria.fr>wrote: > >>> I don't care. I have it working for my "usage". This was just an > example. > >>> > >>> And don't compare #class with all the boolean methods like #ifNil: and > >>> friends or the bytecodes for integer operations....I think #class is > >> sent > >>> far less times than those... > >>> > >> > >> Yes. and i predict that performance impact in macro benchmarks, where > >> you running normal code > >> (which not sending this message intentionally in a loop) will be at > >> the noise level magnitude. > >> > > > > So...what about doing something more real...for example, run all the > > testcases and compare time. > > Wouldn't that be a good "benchmark" ? > > sounds already better. make sure to run it something like 100 times, get > the average and the standard deviation. otherwise the results don't provide > much information. > > > BTW, can I run all test from code? (not using the TestRunner UI) > > > something like the following code should do it. > > TestCase allSubclasses do: [ :cls| > cls isAbstract > ifFalse: [cls run]]. > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 05 Apr 2011, at 11:19, Henrik Johansen wrote: > I would remove the SimpleMorphic mention, or at least add a disclaimer to it that it's more like a preview of what direction Morphic will be heading in, rather than something people should use, and can expect to work and/or stay in the base image. I'll phrase it as 'Included SimpleMorphic preview' then.

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

by Cyrille Delaunay

And if you are interested in set up your jobs for the inria server, There is a small 'how to' in the private wiki of the team : http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/private/HowToUseHudsonInriaServer?_s=pX… 2011/4/5 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> > Actually you can download the script from the workspace, if you are > given the permission to see the workspace directory. > > Lukas > > On 5 April 2011 10:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really > > interested in being able to see the scripts that Hudson uses for its own > > usage. > > > > For example, how does Hudson run all the tests from code (not using the > > TestRunner) ? and how does he write that in the correct output that > Hudson > > wants? > > > > It would be nice if all used Hudson scrips are available somehow. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > >

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

by Henrik Johansen

On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:19 19AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 05 Apr 2011, at 07:09, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Remarks: >> - group changed by categories: Morphic/Polymorph, Tools, Under the hood, ... >> - Mocketry is not included in Pharo 1.2 > > > Thanks for the feedback, I applied your suggestions. And uploaded a newer version. > > More comments ? > > Sven I would remove the SimpleMorphic mention, or at least add a disclaimer to it that it's more like a preview of what direction Morphic will be heading in, rather than something people should use, and can expect to work and/or stay in the base image. Cheers, Henry

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 05 Apr 2011, at 10:22, Marcus Denker wrote: > The bug tracker can be queried for issues of a certain tag: > > 57 for Full: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=1&q=milestone%3D1.2-DevImage > and 693 for Core: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=1&q=milestone%3D1.2 I added these numbers as well as links to these issue tracker queries. I also added a link to your email announcing #12345 so that people can see we are not just making this up.

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Thanks Marcus. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really > interested in being able to see the scripts that Hudson uses for its own > usage. > > For example, how does Hudson run all the tests from code (not using the > TestRunner) ? and how does he write that in the correct output that Hudson > wants? > > It would be nice if all used Hudson scrips are available somehow. > > > There are two components: > > 1) The config of Hudson what to do for a Project. That you can see if you > are admin. > 2) The scripts used. These are the ones of Lukas: > https://github.com/renggli/builder > To edit these, one needs a shell-account on the build slave. > > > Marcus > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson is not friendly to show us the used scripts ?

by Lukas Renggli

Actually you can download the script from the workspace, if you are given the permission to see the workspace directory. Lukas On 5 April 2011 10:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe it is me that I am not finding it in the web interface. I am really > interested in being able to see the scripts that Hudson uses for its own > usage. > > For example, how does Hudson run all the tests from code (not using the > TestRunner) ?Â and how does he write that in the correct output that Hudson > wants? > > It would be nice if all used Hudson scrips are available somehow. > > Thanks > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] ci.pharo-project.org redirect should be changed?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Thanks Adrian On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > I changed it. > > Adrian > > On Apr 5, 2011, at 07:01 , laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi... currently ci.pharo-project.org redirects to > >> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/ > >> but I think it should be https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/ since > >> everything inside there is Pharo. Pharo is not just the Pharo image. > >> > >> what do you think? > >> > > > > > > +1 > > > > Laurent > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Mariano > >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >> > >> > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > >> >> On 05 Apr 2011, at 09:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> > Thanks Sven. I would like to remark the ammount of fixes issues. >> > Is there an easy why to know this? >> >> Yeah, it would be cool to add some statistics, like N fixes or commits, R >> issues solved, reduced the core complexity from X classes and Y methods to >> X' classes and Y' methods, but I cannot easily get to that. >> >> Is it not so that 1.2 started with #12000 and that we are now on #12345, >> so that makes 345 version tags, but of course not all of them are of equal >> size/importance. >> > > ahaha I thought revision #12345 was a dummy number :) > NOO, it was MAGIC! We CANNOT not release this image....that number means something :) > Laurent > > > >> >> If we can't get this half right, we probably better drop it, no ? >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Draft Pharo 1.2.1 Release Announcement

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks, Sven That's a great summary! Adrian On Apr 4, 2011, at 23:01 , Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > I have a draft for a release announcement for Pharo 1.2.1 > > http://homepage.mac.com/svc/Pharo/pharo-1.2.1-release.html > > [ THIS IS A DRAFT !! - DO NOT YET RELEASE ] > > Please check this for errors and omissions, I will try to integrate the remarks tomorrow. Please check the links as well. > > I tried to stick with the basics, as one could write about so much (introducing Pharo Smalltalk and its features could be useful, but is quite challenging; everything loaded into dev could be described, and so on). I am sure I am not doing justice to all efforts by everybody, please give feedback. > > To give it a little twist, I started with a little 'story' called 'Update #12345', maybe it is to geeky, but it felt like a good angle to cover the basics about the process and the time spent. > > The most useful raw material was this http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ActionsInPharoOneDotTwo > > It feels as if more could be said about Dev. > > I also tried to stick with just a simple screenshot, I could come up with more complicated ones, but we cannot put everything on one screenshot. > > Sven > > >

April 5, 2011