March 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeak/Pharo/Cuis on Android

by Dimitry Golubovsky

Hi, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: ...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow. Weird ideas: - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well the original discussion on the Squeak ML declined into the OLPC issues (back to Intel that is ;) Let's continue here. Thanks for the hints, I looked into these projects, but: Potato Squeak (JSqueak) doesn't seem alive. I tried to run it on my PC with some recent Java (don't remember which version, same as I use to compile Android stuff). Very slow, crashed all the time. Plus image version is 2.x ... PySqueak seems like the repo is gone. Also, it's old too. Anyway, wrt translation of Squeak/Pharo VM to Java. How much labor would it take to change VMMaker so it generates Java code instead of C? Given some similarity between the two languages syntax? I need to move on with the native port because my endpoint is in a concrete application rather than the port itself. But would anyone be interested in adjusting VMMaker? Thanks. -- Dimitry Golubovsky Anywhere on the Web

March 4, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12340

by Marcus Denker

12340 ----- - update Finder -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3763 in pharo: assert failure during Decompiler>>popIntoTemporaryVariable:

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Labels: -Milestone-1.2 Milestone-1.3 Comment #4 on issue 3763 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: assert failure during Decompiler>>popIntoTemporaryVariable: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3763 let's move this to 1.3 (we just saw this once... and there is a workaround for that case)

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Kernel

by Igor Stasenko

On 4 March 2011 14:55, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >>>> >>>>> Great! >>>>> >>>>> does it have the same code base as the current Pharo-Kernel? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. 1.3 latest Core. (I am just integrating the printon fix) >>>> >>>> Â Â Â Â Marcus >>> >>> So if we will be able to run startup scripts in this image, we be able >>> to use the Pharo-Kernel scripts for loading all the content of the >>> PharoCore back. Perfect! >>> >>> -- Pavel >> >> Hmm, Pharo-Kernel has 475 classes and traits and similar size (2.2 MB). >> >> -- Pavel >> > > I see, the base content of this image is defined as: > > (each category beginsWith: 'Kernel') or: > [(each category beginsWith: 'Collection') or: > [(each category = 'Exceptions-Kernel') or: > [(each category = 'Announcements-Core') or: > [(each category = 'System-Pools') or: > [(each category = 'System-Support') or: > [(each name == #EncodedCharSet) or: > [(each category == 'Multilingual-Encodings') or: > [(each category == 'Multilingual-Languages') or: > [(each name) == #Unicode]]]]]]]]]]. > > That is really radical shrinking :-) But it has great potential. I'll > try to play with it... > Probably there are a lot of junk inside, because the algorithm for picking which objects are to go into image is quite simplistic. And that's the actual aim of this project - invent ways how to tell/identify objects which we want to see in kernel image, otherwise just replace it with dummy or halt tracing, asking a developer to fix unwanted reference. > -- Pavel > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3752 in pharo: [bug+fix] Symbol>>allInstances should answer all symbols

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: WontFix Comment #3 on issue 3752 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: [bug+fix] Symbol>>allInstances should answer all symbols http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3752 So do we close this?

March 4, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13071

by Marcus Denker

13071 ----- Issue 1042: documentation/help menu -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3775 in pharo: FileList shouldn't inherit from StringHolder

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Comment #2 on issue 3775 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: FileList shouldn't inherit from StringHolder http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3775 (No comment was entered for this change.)

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1042 in pharo: documentation/help menu

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Comment #17 on issue 1042 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: documentation/help menu http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1042 I move this class for now into HelpSystem-Core-Help (not the best place, but where else?)

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Apple App Store

by Esteban Lorenzano

ha! I didn't know codesign online tool exists... thanks for the point :) El 04/03/2011, a las 10:51a.m., Olivier Auverlot escribiÃ³: > I found a tutorial on the Blitzbasic forum. It seems possible with Pharo. > > http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=93636 > > Olivier ;-) > www.auverlot.fr >> Nice to see this interest for pharo on iPAD >> We should put our energy collectively to build an acceptable pharo >> environment for ipad/iphone. >> Bert and I have been investigating the field, but more help will be >> handy as we are both very busy. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> Le 04/03/2011 09:53, laurent laffont a Ã©crit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> is it possible today to distribute Pharo apps through Apple App Store >>> (OSX) ? If no, why ? Can I hope it will be possible or should I learn >>> objective-C ? >>> >>> >>> Laurent >> >

March 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Apple App Store

by Alexandre Bergel

>> Which is? >> >> Alexandre > > I read prediction Android may take it all. > > Remember the '80 with the PC open standard? Now it is the software which > is standard and pretty sure the Asian manufacturers will jump into, no? Ah ah! I have a different opinion. I think the humanity, now, cannot produce a reliable and efficient operating system that works on many different platforms while caring about the user. The effort is simply too big. Microsoft knows about it. State-of-the-Art formal verification techniques simply cannot ensure that a driver will not crash your machine. And so, whatever the amount of money poured into it. By shipping the hardware, Apple is playing on a safe side. So, in my opinion, something like Ipad will rule on some point: a few different platforms, gorgeous interface, regarding the user as an intelligent being. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 4, 2011