March 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Squeak/Pharo/Cuis on Android

by Tudor Girba

Sounds intriguing :) Doru On 4 Mar 2011, at 22:30, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > .. there is a native Smalltalk on JavaScript VM on the way .. stay > tuned! (but not from me .. ;) > > Such Smalltalk app can be then wrapped in pure Android, iOS etc. app > with technology like PhoneGap (http://www.phonegap.com) > > I'm namely just preparing a presentation titled From Web to Android App > for tommorow local MobileCamp:Android http://www.mobilecamp.si/what/ ... > > Janko > > On 04. 03. 2011 11:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> I would be interested in any attempts to produce native bytecode on java vm for pharo. >> Now this is the usual equation: money and money or time. >> JSqueak or Potatos squeak could be also interesting. >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:02 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: >> >>> On 03/03/2011 03:37 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>>> What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? >>>> Lots of questions: >>>> - what is the state of VM/images? >>>> - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? >>>> - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? >>>> - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? >>>> - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of >>>> touch support, ... >>> >>> Generally speaking, here are my silly notions in this area: >>> >>> - Android is heavily oriented around Dalvik and the libraries for it (Java) >>> >>> - Android will be *the* platform for private computing in the near future IMHO. Yes, I really think so. Android 3.0 looks really hot. >>> >>> - A Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android will never be more than a toy unless we can tap into the Dalvik/Java platform. >>> >>> - This means we REALLY need JNIPort or similar projects to work really, really well in order to actually use the libraries in full. >>> >>> ...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow. >>> >>> Weird ideas: >>> - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... >>> - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik. >>> >>> Both the above approaches would probably make interfacing with Dalvik/Java much simpler. >>> >>> ...or just try using SilverSmalltalk or such. ;) >>> >>> >>> regards, GÃ¶ran >>> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "When people care, great things can happen."

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] - 24 DockingBarMorph

by Tudor Girba

Until it gets obsolete :) Doru On 5 Mar 2011, at 08:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I love the example in the comment > > On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:00 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> I'm a kind of container which adhere to one edge of the screen. See me in action with: >> >> >> DockingBarMorph new >> addMorph: (SimpleButtonMorph new >> label: 'Say hello'; >> target: [UIManager inform: 'Hello']; >> actionSelector: #value); >> addMorph: (SimpleButtonMorph new >> label: 'Say bonjour'; >> target: [UIManager inform: 'Bonjour']; >> actionSelector: #value); >> addMorph: (SimpleButtonMorph new >> label: 'Close'; >> target: [DockingBarMorph allInstances last delete]; >> actionSelector: #value); >> adhereToBottom; >> openInWorld. >> >> >> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >> >> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Today: DockingBarMorph >> >> >> Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment >> Rules: >> #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). >> #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. >> Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest >> >> Laurent >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle."

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Coral?

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > What is coral all about? There seems to be no documentation except a little tutorial. But the tutorial does not make much sense to me. It explains the installation of coral and the result is that you can run a script from the commandline. Well, that is possible anyway. Yes, but the syntax is not really nice with the ! The idea is to have a real syntax for method and class definition *and* provide good libraries to do things you want to do when scripting (reading command line options, Filesystem, Input/Output....) Marcus > So where is coral located. Between positioning it as a shell replacement in the mailing list and the "just runs a shell script" is a huge space where it could be actually located. Any hints are appreciated. > > Norbert > > > On 05.03.2011, at 08:58, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> After I've tried Hazel, I was wondering what is the status of Coral. I would love to move away from Bash. >> >> me tooo. >> >>> I am just wondering. >> >> Use coral it is working. >> We should get more and more user. >> I'm waiting for after next week to introduce a better way to handle file.st, file.cor..... >> When hazel will be working we will use it but this is orhtogonal to Coral. >> >> We have documenting FS and we should improve it too. >> >> Luc told me that he remove the icon to get the start up faster >> Stef >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Coral?

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > On 05.03.2011, at 12:05, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> What is coral all about? There seems to be no documentation except a little tutorial. But the tutorial does not make much sense to me. It explains the installation of coral and the result is that you can run a script from the commandline. Well, that is possible anyway. So where is coral located. Between positioning it as a shell replacement in the mailing list and the "just runs a shell script" is a huge space where it could be actually located. Any hints are appreciated. >> >> > Loading the latest coral into a Pharo-1.1.1-dev10.09.1 image results in a DNU > > AbstractLauncher class>>readDocumentAtStartup: > > Now trying pharo 1.2. > The ConfigurationOfCoral loads the wrong FileSystem version, I think... the developer(s) should fix that. (Hudson does tell it every day, so I am sure they will not miss it...) https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Pharo%20Coral/ -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Glamour-Morphic-Theme package rename?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, The Glamour-Morphic-Theme is part of the Glamour project and was adopted as is in Pharo for traceability reasons. The theme will certainly evolve in the future due to the needs from Glamour. If the package is renamed then also the classes inside should be renamed to not cause clashes with the existing package. Cheers, Doru On 3 Mar 2011, at 11:27, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > The idea is that alain would like to have only one theme but fully parametrized and that we can unify all that. > Typically orange should not be a subclass :). > > Now you are probably right and I want to remove some other not working theme: Pro and a couple of others. > > On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:43 PM, DougEdmunds wrote: > >> Shouldn't the Glamour-Morphic-Theme package be renamed to fall >> under Polymorph-Widgets, like the other themes? >> >> It seem that otherwise, the package system will get cluttered >> with individual theme names. I think of the packaging system >> as most generic to more specific (using the hyphens). >> >> Glamour-Morphic-Theme seems to stick out as not following >> this naming convention. >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Glamour-Morphic-Theme-package-rename-tp3332037p333203… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3784 in pharo: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image

by Norbert Hartl

I just checked the hudson server today. This was the last bug I have seen. So with this package the Pharo dev should also be green. Sorry if I didn't follow the right process. Is every package supposed to be put into PharoInbox? Is it everything for Core? For Core and Dev? I didn't find information for that in the wiki. Anyway I hope it works. Norbert On 05.03.2011, at 13:04, pharo(a)googlecode.com wrote: > Updates: > Status: Fixed > > Comment #1 on issue 3784 by norbert.hartl: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3784 > > Name: ImageForDevelopers-pharo-NorbertHartl.251 > Author: NorbertHartl > Time: 5 March 2011, 12:50:35 pm > UUID: aae26464-0f26-4edd-b1cd-ef8d705f5137 > Ancestors: ImageForDevelopers-pharo-StephaneDucasse.250 > > Changed usage of SHWorkspace to Workspace as the SHWorkspace is not present. This fixes the last entry in Undeclared on a pharo-1.2rc image. > > The package is in http://www.squeaksource.com/ImageForDevelopers as I didn't know if this is a case for PharoInbox > >

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3784 in pharo: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #1 on issue 3784 by norbert.hartl: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3784 Name: ImageForDevelopers-pharo-NorbertHartl.251 Author: NorbertHartl Time: 5 March 2011, 12:50:35 pm UUID: aae26464-0f26-4edd-b1cd-ef8d705f5137 Ancestors: ImageForDevelopers-pharo-StephaneDucasse.250 Changed usage of SHWorkspace to Workspace as the SHWorkspace is not present. This fixes the last entry in Undeclared on a pharo-1.2rc image. The package is in http://www.squeaksource.com/ImageForDevelopers as I didn't know if this is a case for PharoInbox

March 5, 2011

[Pharo-project] Issue 3784 in pharo: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Status: Started Owner: norbert.hartl New issue 3784 by norbert.hartl: ImageForDevelopers uses SHWorkspace which is not defined in the image http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3784 Thus it produces an entry in Undeclared which makes the ReleaseTest fail.

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Coral?

by Norbert Hartl

On 05.03.2011, at 12:05, Norbert Hartl wrote: > What is coral all about? There seems to be no documentation except a little tutorial. But the tutorial does not make much sense to me. It explains the installation of coral and the result is that you can run a script from the commandline. Well, that is possible anyway. So where is coral located. Between positioning it as a shell replacement in the mailing list and the "just runs a shell script" is a huge space where it could be actually located. Any hints are appreciated. > > Loading the latest coral into a Pharo-1.1.1-dev10.09.1 image results in a DNU AbstractLauncher class>>readDocumentAtStartup: Now trying pharo 1.2. Norbert > On 05.03.2011, at 08:58, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> After I've tried Hazel, I was wondering what is the status of Coral. I would love to move away from Bash. >> >> me tooo. >> >>> I am just wondering. >> >> Use coral it is working. >> We should get more and more user. >> I'm waiting for after next week to introduce a better way to handle file.st, file.cor..... >> When hazel will be working we will use it but this is orhtogonal to Coral. >> >> We have documenting FS and we should improve it too. >> >> Luc told me that he remove the icon to get the start up faster >> Stef >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

March 5, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on Apple App Store

by laurent laffont

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:19 AM, John McIntosh < johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote: > I'm not sure anyone really answered the question. > > (a) Yes you can build squeak/pharo VM based applications for the iOS > platform and distribute in the App Store. This assumes you adhere to the > rules. > > (b) Yes you can build Squeak/pharo VM based applications for the OS-X > platform and distribute in the OS-X App Store. This assumes someone wants > to take the time to port the file dialog logic from Sophie to Pharo since > you will be rejected if you present a Squeak file open/save dialog. > Thanks John. Is the licence of Sophie file dialog code MIT ? Laurent Lastly you can't download MC packages to the app for doing on the fly > updates, any updates have to go thru the app store. An example of alternate > technology is Sparkle and Apple has rejected apps that use that technology > to provide an update path. > > PS No I can't say I've actually attempted getting a squeak based app into > the OS-X store, perhaps this summer, still that is my tea leaf reading of > the situation. > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:53 AM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is it possible today to distribute Pharo apps through Apple App Store >> (OSX) ? If no, why ? Can I hope it will be possible or should I learn >> objective-C ? >> >> >> Laurent >> > > > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > >

March 5, 2011