March 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Jtalk, a Smalltalk for web developers

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

On 16. 03. 2011 14:44, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > ... so this is a Smalltalk on top of JavaScript in a browser. > > Since one can run JavaScript easily on top of Javas JVM > by using Mozillas Rhino (a simple JAR to run JS in a Java app) > you should be able to bootstrap JTalk on a java virtual machine too. > > Performance would be horrible, I guess ... but it would be a fun > project to play with. > > mumble, mumble .... But much more interesting side-effect for the future is, that Jtalk also runs on Google V8 JavaScript VM! Also on server side, where JavaScript as dynamic language is more and more popular and can be expected to replace once even Java. So, I'd rather bet on JavaScript that Java for the future... Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

March 16, 2011

[Pharo-project] Jtalk, a Smalltalk for web developers

by Torsten Bergmann

... so this is a Smalltalk on top of JavaScript in a browser. Since one can run JavaScript easily on top of Javas JVM by using Mozillas Rhino (a simple JAR to run JS in a Java app) you should be able to bootstrap JTalk on a java virtual machine too. Performance would be horrible, I guess ... but it would be a fun project to play with. mumble, mumble .... Bye T. -- Schon gehÃ¶rt? GMX hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die Toolbar eingebaut! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/toolbar

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfSandstoneDb working in 1.2

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

TX! On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > FYI: from an offlist discussion: > ConfigurationOfSandstoneDb was updated (version 1.2) > to work on Pharo 1.2. > > Thanks to Ramon Leon. > > Bye > T. > > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Status bar

by Hilaire Fernandes

Right, then I can have multiple information in the status bar! Le 2011å¹´03æ15æ¥ 10:37, Gary Chambers a Ã©crit : > We have used a Panel with a TextMorph inside... > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilaire Fernandes" > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> > To: <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM > Subject: [Pharo-project] Status bar > > >> Hello, >> >> Do we have nay thing close as a status bar in Polymorph? >> A widget you plug in the bottom of a window and where you print textual >> information. >> >> Hilaire >> >> -- >> Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >> >> > > -- Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Jtalk, a Smalltalk for web developers

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 2011å¹´03æ14æ¥ 19:36, Nicolas Petton a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > I would like to share a project I'm working on on my spare time: Jtalk > Smalltalk. > > http://nicolaspetton.github.com/jtalk > https://github.com/NicolasPetton/jtalk > Impressive ! Hilaire

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Jtalk, a Smalltalk for web developers

by Dave Mason

On 2011-Mar-14, at 14:36 , Nicolas Petton wrote: > Jtalk is an implementation of the Smalltalk language that compiles > into > JavaScript. Cool! I took a look at the jtalk.deploy.js file and it looks pretty readable. It's long been on my to-do list to do something like this, but I was thinking of developing in the Pharo/Squeak image and then deploying to JS (translating Smaltalk bytecode to JS). Your jtalk.deploy.js would provide a great platform for that. But maybe the bytecode->JS translator is already part of your system, or in your plans? As for the name, I was going to suggest that you might try jstalk, but then I found: http://jstalk.berlios.de/ ../Dave

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Lumiere on Linux?

by Alexandre Bergel

I am wondering how this will be practical (I have no mean to be arrogant, I just try to understand). Is this tied to a particular platform? Will it work on Linux and Windows? Cog or No-Cog? Cheers, Alexandre On 15 Mar 2011, at 21:01, Igor Stasenko wrote: > from this message i learn that i have to kick my ass and continue > working on NativeBoost, > including its OpenGL bindings. > > Too bad, there is not much people who can do low level assembly + VM > hacking + openGL hacking > and interested in pushing NB forward and/or collaborating with me :( > > On 16 March 2011 00:17, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: >> Hi Alex, i'm sad to hear that AlienOpenGL is not working for you, i'm >> currently not mainting it. IMO opinion the Croquet OpengL and Igor's >> native boost OpenGL are far better choices for interfacing with >> OpenGL. >> Lumiere is conceptually designed to work with any of the above, but >> currently tied to AlienOpenGL. Wouldn't take much to plug the other >> two, and you would get the high level abstractions over OpenGL that >> Lumiere offers. >> >> Regarding the boost, it highly depends on the 3D application being >> built. http://www.opengl.org/resources/code/samples/advanced/advanced97/notes/node… >> Anyway, Croquet OpenGL does the computation on Smalltalk, (but i think >> FloatArray is using a plugin).With Lumiere i left the matrix >> calculations to OpenGL, but you get less functionality. >> >> The boost comes not from the matrix calculations but because of the >> efficient rendering engine (parallel pipelines) implemented in low >> level language, as opposed doing everything in Smalltalk. >> Again, this depends on the 3D application being built. >> >> Regarding the tool that you mentioned, how do you simulate 3D, in the >> 2D Morphic framework? I'm finding hard to understand how can you >> achieve a Morphic cube. >> >> Saludos, >> Fernando >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>> Great. What about the usual "native code" speed boost? Are you writing a plugin, or is it all Smalltalk code? >>> >>> It is all Smalltalk code. We are not against native libraries, however we could not make it run. And so, after several months of intensive tries. So, in order to make some progress, we coded a 3d engine in Smalltalk. Actually, this is not difficult (for basic functionalities such as light, cubes, camera -- no texture and complex light rendering). I did a 2d engine for Mondrian. So having a 3d engine should not be that hard (actually it is not). The nice advantage, that it should work on the ipad, iphone, web, ... >>> >>> Other things, I would be surprise to have a significant boost by using OpenGL for rendering objects if all the matrix computations are realized in Smalltalk. Anyone can comment on it? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Lumiere on Linux?

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Fernando, > Hi Alex, i'm sad to hear that AlienOpenGL is not working for you, i'm > currently not mainting it. IMO opinion the Croquet OpengL and Igor's > native boost OpenGL are far better choices for interfacing with > OpenGL. I am also sad. Unfortunately, me, as a teacher, I could not ask new students to pursue on making alienOpenGL work. I personally do not have the knowledge, and it is important that the students see their progress. Being stuck on how to interface with OpenGl could have dramatic effects. In any case, doing a basic 3d engine is not that complicated (I did one in assembly when I was 15 :-). So we did one and Ricardo is happy about the result. > Regarding the boost, it highly depends on the 3D application being > built. http://www.opengl.org/resources/code/samples/advanced/advanced97/notes/node… Thanks for the link. > Regarding the tool that you mentioned, how do you simulate 3D, in the > 2D Morphic framework? I'm finding hard to understand how can you > achieve a Morphic cube. The only thing we took from Morph is how to draw a polygon. Nothing more. We have some transformation matrixes that do the projection. We had to do a bit of maths, but nothing really unfeasible. Ricardo is working on doing a demo. I hope we will be able to share it soon. Alexandre > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> Great. What about the usual "native code" speed boost? Are you writing a plugin, or is it all Smalltalk code? >> >> It is all Smalltalk code. We are not against native libraries, however we could not make it run. And so, after several months of intensive tries. So, in order to make some progress, we coded a 3d engine in Smalltalk. Actually, this is not difficult (for basic functionalities such as light, cubes, camera -- no texture and complex light rendering). I did a 2d engine for Mondrian. So having a 3d engine should not be that hard (actually it is not). The nice advantage, that it should work on the ipad, iphone, web, ... >> >> Other things, I would be surprise to have a significant boost by using OpenGL for rendering objects if all the matrix computations are realized in Smalltalk. Anyone can comment on it? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Ricardo Jacas [ricardo.jacas(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:07 AM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Lumiere on Linux? >>> >>> Hi guys, as Alex said we are currently working on a quite simple 3d >>> library entirely based on Morph. >>> Right know there is only cubes and "3d lines" to play as we please, i >>> will add some screenshots as soon as i have some spare time :) >>> >>> 2011/3/13 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: >>>> Using libGL.so.1 gives similar results :( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lemuus [lemuus(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:48 PM >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Lumiere on Linux? >>>> >>>> I think that the correct choice is libGL.so,but I'm just guessing. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: >>>> I tried the 1.2 one-click with Lumiere. Following the collaboractive book, >>>> >>>> Gofer it >>>> squeaksource: 'Lumiere'; >>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfLumiere'; >>>> load. >>>> ( Smalltalk globals classNamed:'ConfigurationOfLumiere' ) perform: #loadDefault. >>>> >>>> led to a warning about DisplayList(??), but seemed to work otherwise. Trying an example such as #testRenderingSphere gave an error trying open OpenGL.framework, which I had trouble finding on Linux. Changing AlienOpenGLLibrary>>libraryName to answer 'libglut.so.3' gets it to the point of a segment fault, shown below. Is glut the correct choice, or do I need to get or specify some other library? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Segmentation fault >>>> >>>> Smalltalk stack dump: >>>> 0xbfd1714c I AlienOpenGLLibrary>glMatrixMode: 2033044028: a(n) AlienOpenGLLibrary >>>> 0xbfd17170 M [] in AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples>testRenderingSphere 2033042940: a(n) AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples >>>> 0xbfd17190 M BlockClosure>ensure: 2033043980: a(n) BlockClosure >>>> 0xbfd171b4 M AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples>testRenderingSphere 2033042940: a(n) AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples >>>> 0xbfd171d4 I AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples class>run: 2024758496: a(n) AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples class >>>> 0xbfd171f0 M AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples class>? 2024758496: a(n) AlienOpenGLLibraryExamples class >>>> 0xbfd17228 I Compiler>evaluate:in:to:notifying:ifFail:logged: 2032491124: a(n) Compiler >>>> 0xbfd17268 I [] in OBTextMorphEditorWithShout(SmalltalkEditor)>evaluateSelection 2025101912: a(n) OBTextMorphEditorWithShout >>>> 0xbfd17284 M BlockClosure>on:do: 2032491080: a(n) BlockClosure >>>> 0xbfd172b8 I OBTextMorphEditorWithShout(SmalltalkEditor)>evaluateSelection 2025101912: a(n) OBTextMorphEditorWithShout >>>> 0xbfd172d0 M [] in OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(PluggableTextMorph)>doIt 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd172f8 I [] in OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(PluggableTextMorph)>handleEdit: 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd17318 I OBTextMorphWithShout(TextMorph)>handleEdit: 2024964024: a(n) OBTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd17340 I OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(PluggableTextMorph)>handleEdit: 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd1735c M OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(PluggableTextMorph)>doIt 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd17378 M OBDefinitionPanel(OBTextPanel)>perform:orSendTo: 2024940940: a(n) OBDefinitionPanel >>>> 0xbfd173a8 I [] in ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>invokeWithEvent: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd173c8 M BlockClosure>ensure: 2032477540: a(n) BlockClosure >>>> 0xbfd173f0 I CursorWithMask(Cursor)>showWhile: 2002515888: a(n) CursorWithMask >>>> 0xbfd17418 I ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>invokeWithEvent: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd1743c I ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>mouseUp: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd17458 M ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>handleMouseUp: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd17474 M MouseButtonEvent>sentTo: 2032130572: a(n) MouseButtonEvent >>>> 0xbfd17490 M ToggleMenuItemMorph(Morph)>handleEvent: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd174c0 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchDefault:with: 2032130556: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd174e0 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2032130556: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd17500 M ToggleMenuItemMorph(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2031928172: a(n) ToggleMenuItemMorph >>>> 0xbfd17534 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchDefault:with: 2032130556: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd17554 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2032130556: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd17574 M MenuMorph(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd17594 M MenuMorph(Morph)>processEvent: 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd175b0 M MenuMorph>handleFocusEvent: 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd175d8 M [] in HandMorph>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd175f4 M [] in PasteUpMorph>becomeActiveDuring: 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd17610 M BlockClosure>on:do: 2032130460: a(n) BlockClosure >>>> 0xbfd1763c M PasteUpMorph>becomeActiveDuring: 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd17660 M HandMorph>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd17688 M HandMorph>sendEvent:focus:clear: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd176ac M HandMorph>sendMouseEvent: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd176d0 M HandMorph>handleEvent: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd176fc M HandMorph>processEvents 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd17714 M [] in WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd17738 M Array(SequenceableCollection)>do: 2001081712: a(n) Array >>>> 0xbfd17754 M WorldState>handsDo: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd17770 M WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd1778c M WorldState>doOneCycleFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd101bc M WorldState>doOneSubCycleFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd101d8 M PasteUpMorph>doOneSubCycle 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd10200 I MenuMorph>invokeModalAt:in:allowKeyboard: 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd1022c I MenuMorph>invokeModal: 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd10250 I MenuMorph>invokeModal 2031927856: a(n) MenuMorph >>>> 0xbfd10274 I OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(PluggableTextMorph)>yellowButtonActivity: 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd10298 I OBTextMorphWithShout(TextMorphForEditView)>mouseDown: 2024964024: a(n) OBTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd102b4 M OBTextMorphWithShout(Morph)>handleMouseDown: 2024964024: a(n) OBTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd102d0 M MouseButtonEvent>sentTo: 2031927788: a(n) MouseButtonEvent >>>> 0xbfd102ec M OBTextMorphWithShout(Morph)>handleEvent: 2024964024: a(n) OBTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd10328 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10348 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10368 M OBTextMorphWithShout(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2024964024: a(n) OBTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd103a8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd103c8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd103e8 M TransformMorph(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2024963800: a(n) TransformMorph >>>> 0xbfd10428 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10448 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10468 M OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2024962936: a(n) OBPluggableTextMorphWithShout >>>> 0xbfd104a8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd104c8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd104e8 M OBGroupingMorph(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2024957608: a(n) OBGroupingMorph >>>> 0xbfd10528 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10548 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd10568 M OBSystemWindow(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2024944124: a(n) OBSystemWindow >>>> 0xbfd105a8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchMouseDown:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd105c8 M MorphicEventDispatcher>dispatchEvent:with: 2031927596: a(n) MorphicEventDispatcher >>>> 0xbfd105e8 M PasteUpMorph(Morph)>processEvent:using: 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd10610 M PasteUpMorph>processEvent:using: 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd10630 M PasteUpMorph(Morph)>processEvent: 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd10650 M HandMorph>sendEvent:focus:clear: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd10674 M HandMorph>sendMouseEvent: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd10698 M HandMorph>handleEvent: 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd106c4 M HandMorph>processEvents 2002449320: a(n) HandMorph >>>> 0xbfd106dc M [] in WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd10700 M Array(SequenceableCollection)>do: 2001081712: a(n) Array >>>> 0xbfd1071c M WorldState>handsDo: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd10738 M WorldState>doOneCycleNowFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd10754 M WorldState>doOneCycleFor: 2004924588: a(n) WorldState >>>> 0xbfd10770 M PasteUpMorph>doOneCycle 2003523448: a(n) PasteUpMorph >>>> 0xbfd10790 I [] in Project class>spawnNewProcess 2004397340: a(n) Project class >>>> 2025126836 s [] in BlockClosure>newProcess >>>> >>>> Most recent primitives >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> new: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> value:value: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> species >>>> new: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> species >>>> new: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> basicNew: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> new >>>> value:value: >>>> value:value: >>>> basicNew >>>> size >>>> basicNew >>>> byteAt:put: >>>> byteAt:put: >>>> bitXor: >>>> size >>>> species >>>> basicNew: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> basicNew: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> basicNew: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> species >>>> basicNew: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> size >>>> at:put: >>>> species >>>> basicNew: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> size >>>> size >>>> size >>>> perform:withArguments: >>>> perform:withArguments: >>>> species >>>> basicNew >>>> new: >>>> value: >>>> perform:withArguments: >>>> at:put: >>>> perform:withArguments: >>>> species >>>> new: >>>> species >>>> new: >>>> species >>>> new: >>>> replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: >>>> newMethod:header: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> size >>>> objectAt: >>>> basicNew >>>> objectAt: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> at:put: >>>> value >>>> objectAt: >>>> size >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> objectAt: >>>> objectAt:put: >>>> withArgs:executeMethod: >>>> basicNew >>>> perform: >>>> basicNew >>>> @ >>>> basicNew >>>> primCreateRenderer:x:y:w:h: >>>> millisecondClockValue >>>> signal >>>> primSignal:atMilliseconds: >>>> millisecondClockValue >>>> wait >>>> primGetNextEvent: >>>> millisecondClockValue >>>> wait >>>> signal >>>> millisecondClockValue >>>> primSignal:atMilliseconds: >>>> millisecondClockValue >>>> wait >>>> signal >>>> wait >>>> at:put: >>>> primRender:getProperty: >>>> basicNew >>>> primLoadLibrary: >>>> basicNew: >>>> sizeFieldPut: >>>> unsignedLongAt:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> new: >>>> value >>>> value >>>> basicNew: >>>> sizeFieldPut: >>>> unsignedLongAt:put: >>>> basicNew >>>> at:put: >>>> primFindSymbol: >>>> basicNew: >>>> sizeFieldPut: >>>> addressFieldPut: >>>> primFFICallResult:with: >>>> Aborted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> lets reign all together >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] GTK3 directions - what about Morphic ?

by Igor Stasenko

On 16 March 2011 11:09, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I've seen: > - you can style GTK3 with > CSS:Â http://gnomejournal.org/article/107/styling-gtk-with-css > - GTK3 apps can be rendered in a web browser: > http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/23/gtk3-vs-html5/ > This sounds sexy. > I wonder how hard it would be to have SimpleMorphic go in this direction. > And whether this is useful or not. > Laurent. Well, it is orthogonal. However, i like the idea of having similar to CSS for theming/styling UI. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Lumiere on Linux?

by Fernando Olivero

Hi Alex, Have you ever tried Ballon3D? http://www.squeaksource.com/Balloon3D It's an "OpenGL" coded in Smalltalk. It seems like the toolkit you are building, surely you can reuse or enhance it to suit your needs. Seems my previous question was ambiguous, I've meant if you are using Forms as the surface for creating your 3D scenes, (similar as Ballon3D does). If not, if each polygon is a morph in itself, did you modify Morph class? Or you are computing the matrices on your engine, and then converting the scene coordinates into world coordinates? Dont know if this is clear enough, please let me know. If you are talking about Lumiere and the practicality of decoupling it from AlienOpenGL: I'm 99% sure that CroquetOpenGL works on Linux, Windows and Mac VMs. And if COG VMs support FFI, then on those too, because the CroqueOpenGL interfaces to OpenGL by FFI. So you wouldn't have problems in using Lumiere-CroquetOpenGL on every platform. Fernando pd: http://www.squeaksource.com/CroquetGL On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > I am wondering how this will be practical (I have no mean to be arrogant, I just try to understand). Is this tied to a particular platform? Will it work on Linux and Windows? Cog or No-Cog? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 21:01, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> from this message i learn that i have to kick my ass and continue >> working on NativeBoost, >> including its OpenGL bindings. >> >> Too bad, there is not much people who can do low level assembly + VM >> hacking + openGL hacking >> and interested in pushing NB forward and/or collaborating with me :( >> >> On 16 March 2011 00:17, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>> Hi Alex, Â i'm sad to hear that AlienOpenGL is not working for you, i'm >>> currently not mainting it. IMO opinion the Croquet OpengL and Igor's >>> native boost OpenGL are far better choices for interfacing with >>> OpenGL. >>> Lumiere is conceptually designed to work with any of the above, but >>> currently tied to AlienOpenGL. Wouldn't take much to plug the other >>> two, and you would get the high level abstractions over OpenGL that >>> Lumiere offers. >>> >>> Regarding the boost, it highly depends on the 3D application being >>> built. http://www.opengl.org/resources/code/samples/advanced/advanced97/notes/node… >>> Anyway, Croquet OpenGL does the computation on Smalltalk, (but i think >>> FloatArray is using a plugin).With Lumiere i left the matrix >>> calculations to OpenGL, but you get less functionality. >>> >>> The boost comes not from the matrix calculations but Â because of the >>> efficient rendering engine (parallel pipelines) implemented in low >>> level language, as opposed doing everything in Smalltalk. >>> Again, this depends on the 3D application being built. >>> >>> Regarding the tool that you mentioned, Â how do you simulate 3D, in the >>> 2D Morphic framework? I'm finding hard to understand how can you >>> achieve a Morphic cube. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> Fernando >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Alexandre Bergel >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>> Great. Â What about the usual "native code" speed boost? Â Are you writing a plugin, or is it all Smalltalk code? >>>> >>>> It is all Smalltalk code. We are not against native libraries, however we could not make it run. And so, after several months of intensive tries. So, in order to make some progress, we coded a 3d engine in Smalltalk. Actually, this is not difficult (for basic functionalities such as light, cubes, camera -- no texture and complex light rendering). I did a 2d engine for Mondrian. So having a 3d engine should not be that hard (actually it is not). The nice advantage, that it should work on the ipad, iphone, web, ... >>>> >>>> Other things, I would be surprise to have a significant boost by using OpenGL for rendering objects if all the matrix computations are realized in Smalltalk. Anyone can comment on it? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > >

March 16, 2011