March 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] What a mess

by Igor Stasenko

On 16 March 2011 16:23, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently, it is not broken at all. Like Torsten said, you have to explicitly mention that you want the "file:" if you want to specify an absolute path. > Its not broken.. But as to me it contains too many hops between the initial receiver of #startUp message and the code, which actually decides what to do and how to do. Its not worked because i had a mistake in script. And it was silently ignored the script, instead of raising error or notifying me or something like that... I don't like when system is too clever and try to do magic under the hood.. It would be much better to use explicit protocol for communicating with image, so if something goes wrong, you know exactly where. And currently if you run VM from command line with following: <VM> myImage.image -foo bar -baz there is no way to tell what will happen. it could tread '-foo' as a file and try to read from it, or other VMs could treat it as a command line option and hide it from language side completely (so you cannot see it at all)... as i said.. it is too clever :) > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 16:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What a mess

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+ 1 > yes... we need a common command line options (and maybe very specific platform command line options too, but there should be a common way to do common things :) > > best, > Esteban

March 16, 2011

[Pharo-project] Pharo in San Martin University

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I want to announce that yesterday I started teaching Pharo at University San Martin, so this university is now a proud member of the growing list of universities using this great environment for teaching purposes. One interesting thing is that we are going to explore some not-so-commonly taught capabilities, like Traits and the reflection api :) Cheers, Esteban

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Breakpoints in Pharo

by Dmitri Zagidulin

How is a breakpoint different from a 'self halt' statement? On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > no news on this front. > We are working on infrastructure right now > Â Â Â Â - better code model > Â Â Â Â - compiler > Â Â Â Â - package > Â Â Â Â - network > Â Â Â Â - redoing the tools. > > So from a user experience it may look the same but it is a real set of important changes below the surface > that will make us far more agile in the future. > > When we will get done we will be able to move faster on other points. > > Stef > > >> Dear Pharoers, >> >> What is the current state of affairs on breakpoints? >> >> Breakpoins is a thing I really miss when I'm working on Pharo, comparing >> to working on VisualWorks... >> >> This is in light of current question on StackOverflow: >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5322497/how-can-i-set-a-breakpoint-in-sq… >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Aida/Web >> Smalltalk Web Application Server >> http://www.aidaweb.si >> > > >

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What a mess

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> Yes we will fix that tooooooooooo > > It's not a bug - more an "undocumented" features > that URI's are now used and that means to use > file: protocol for absolute paths. > > If I remember correctly I saw a "sd" on the method > somewhere ;) yes this guy puts his name on everything. :) > > Bye > T. > > P.S.: I hope with hudson accessing different OS machines > we can also have more tests to see if things work > on all OS platforms > > -- > GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit > gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What a mess

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes... we need a common command line options (and maybe very specific platform command line options too, but there should be a common way to do common things :) best, Esteban El 16/03/2011, a las 12:38p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > What igor means is that it would be good to have a consistent and unified way to pass information to the vm. > Right now the mac vm does not handle well -headless and each vm has its different ways to handle arguments. > > Stef > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Apparently, it is not broken at all. Like Torsten said, you have to explicitly mention that you want the "file:" if you want to specify an absolute path. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2011, at 16:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> I trying to figure out how command-line arguments are passed to image... >>>> and this is complete mess. >>> >>> what if this is broken don't fix it.... >>> ;D >>> >>> Yes we will fix that tooooooooooo >>> >>>> >>>> I cannot determine why on Windoze, a script argument passed in command >>>> line is ignored. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Presenting is storytelling." >> >> > >

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Breakpoints in Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

no news on this front. We are working on infrastructure right now - better code model - compiler - package - network - redoing the tools. So from a user experience it may look the same but it is a real set of important changes below the surface that will make us far more agile in the future. When we will get done we will be able to move faster on other points. Stef > Dear Pharoers, > > What is the current state of affairs on breakpoints? > > Breakpoins is a thing I really miss when I'm working on Pharo, comparing > to working on VisualWorks... > > This is in light of current question on StackOverflow: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5322497/how-can-i-set-a-breakpoint-in-sq… > > Best regards > Janko > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >

March 16, 2011

[Pharo-project] What a mess

by Torsten Bergmann

>Yes we will fix that tooooooooooo It's not a bug - more an "undocumented" features that URI's are now used and that means to use file: protocol for absolute paths. If I remember correctly I saw a "sd" on the method somewhere ;) Bye T. P.S.: I hope with hudson accessing different OS machines we can also have more tests to see if things work on all OS platforms -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What a mess

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

What igor means is that it would be good to have a consistent and unified way to pass information to the vm. Right now the mac vm does not handle well -headless and each vm has its different ways to handle arguments. Stef On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Apparently, it is not broken at all. Like Torsten said, you have to explicitly mention that you want the "file:" if you want to specify an absolute path. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 16:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> >>> I trying to figure out how command-line arguments are passed to image... >>> and this is complete mess. >> >> what if this is broken don't fix it.... >> ;D >> >> Yes we will fix that tooooooooooo >> >>> >>> I cannot determine why on Windoze, a script argument passed in command >>> line is ignored. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Presenting is storytelling." > >

March 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] GTK3 directions - what about Morphic ?

by Esteban Lorenzano

I don't. This is very "linuxish" and not "macish" :P Being seriuos: the posibility to change the look and feel for an application, being "whatever you want" is powerful for developers, but tends to create applications with usability problems, because users expect a common user interface for all "common behavior" in their applications (at least in Mac, it is that way, windoze users are more used to a non-common user interface). best, Esteban El 16/03/2011, a las 9:31a.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > On 16 March 2011 11:09, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> I've seen: >> - you can style GTK3 with >> CSS: http://gnomejournal.org/article/107/styling-gtk-with-css >> - GTK3 apps can be rendered in a web browser: >> http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/23/gtk3-vs-html5/ >> This sounds sexy. >> I wonder how hard it would be to have SimpleMorphic go in this direction. >> And whether this is useful or not. >> Laurent. > > Well, it is orthogonal. > However, i like the idea of having similar to CSS for theming/styling UI. > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

March 16, 2011