February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I'm already working in a file based solution... it will be ready for test next one or two months :) There are some advantages I want to point: - Better for newcomers - Better for customers who "want to see the sources" (yes, I have some of them, time to time) - We don't need to take care about infrastructure anymore, just use one already existing (like Github) - Increases Pharo visibility in the web (this is really important, IMHO) - "Hybrid" projects (with external files) like VM, for instance, and many Seaside projects, can have just one source point (so tags, etc. has no need to be manually matched with monticello repository). - the solution I'm building (not just me, this is with a friend of mine who does not participate in the list) can work together with monticello, so you can have your sources "frozen" in the disk (and commit to git), and create a monticello version if you need it :) - We will use coral source format to keep files in disk, so they will be more readable than current file-out format (well, this can take a little more than two months, because I'm still understanding it) On the disadvantages... - Most important (because of the "smalltalk culture", mostly) is the fact we loose the "all in smalltalk" thing...but that's not an issue IMHO. Pharo community is a lot more open than others, and we already are using some non-smalltalk tools (like hudson for building and google for tracking) - Yes, merging, etc. can be harder, but I think using a nice file format can lower this impact (and we are still supporting image-to/from-file merging). A couple of years ago some guys released SqueakSVN, as an alternative, but it failed to become an option... I think because SVN was already old at that time, and also because installation, etc. was hard, and also because it was an "incomplete" work, I think. Anyway... I'm doing this stuff because I need it, and I hope some others will consider it useful :) So... well... stay in touch ;) cheers, Esteban pd: yes... I know... I'm currently handling more projects than I can do... and that delays all my projects... but I'm doing my best, and any help is welcome :) El 21/02/2011, a las 1:55p.m., Guillermo Polito escribiÃ³: > I don't know if we have to change to another kind of service. But we MUST have alternatives. > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Come on. We are talking about quality of service here, or about > changing the service? > I don't think that after migrating to (put your favorite here), we > won't have any new problems. And then same, lack of people who can > address them. > > On 21 February 2011 17:39, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > > > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 17:22 , Camillo Bruni wrote: > > > >> how about a file based system and git? > > > > yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... > > > > The simplest thing that could work: > > - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) > > - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. > > - After git actions, load changed files and compile > > > > Advantage: > > - can reuse good existing tools and infrastructure: git, github, etc. > > - probably faster than MC + SqueakSource > > - lower entry barrier for new people > > > > Disadvantage: > > - source control tools not integrated anymore > > - resolving merge conflicts may be tedious > > - we don't have our own solution for everything anymore ;) > > > > Adrian > > > >> > >> On 2011-02-21, at 16:48, Fabrizio Perin wrote: > >> > >>> Well more or less every 10 days i need to restart it. This discussion happen > >>> already in different threads but again the problems are: > >>> 1- The machine hosting squeaksource is an old mac. Maybe on a new machine > >>> running linux it could be better. > >>> 2- SqueakSource is running in a squeakimage on a SqueakVM 3.9 (if i'm not > >>> wrong - anyway is very old stuff) and as far as i get, a porting to a more > >>> recent environment (let say a pharo 1.3 on a cog vm) will mean to rewrite > >>> entirely squaeksource. > >>> > >>> Now, this is a well know problem and a lot of people is already moving to > >>> solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking about > >>> this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Fabrizio > >>> > >>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> do nothing, just wait and see until SqueakSource turns completely unusable. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know if people won't noticed or don't want to admit it, but > >>>> SqueakSource is down very often lately.. > >>>> > >>>> 2011/2/21 Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>: > >>>>> SqueakSource is up and running. I did restart it at 15:55 GTM+1 so i > >>>> don't > >>>>> know how i can help you. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SqueakSource is down again. I'm tired of this situation, there is any > >>>>>> alternative "free" repository? > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> HernÃ¡n Morales > >>>>>> Information Technology Manager, > >>>>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >>>>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >>>>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >>>>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >>>>>> Internal: 422 > >>>>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] MNU MIMETYPE class>>forURIReturnSingleMimeTypeOrDefault:

by Diogenes Moreira

Thanks.. for you answare.. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > > Well, this issue is closed in the 1.2 version.. by marcus.. with the > comment > > "12217" > > I dont know what means that.. > > > It means that it has been integrated as 12217, that is: 1.2, update 217 > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > >

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] MNU MIMETYPE class>>forURIReturnSingleMimeTypeOrDefault:

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > Well, this issue is closed in the 1.2 version.. by marcus.. with the comment > > "12217" > > I dont know what means that.. > It means that it has been integrated as 12217, that is: 1.2, update 217 Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Guillermo Polito

I don't know if we have to change to another kind of service. But we MUST have alternatives. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Come on. We are talking about quality of service here, or about > changing the service? > I don't think that after migrating to (put your favorite here), we > won't have any new problems. And then same, lack of people who can > address them. > > On 21 February 2011 17:39, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > > > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 17:22 , Camillo Bruni wrote: > > > >> how about a file based system and git? > > > > yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... > > > > The simplest thing that could work: > > - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) > > - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. > > - After git actions, load changed files and compile > > > > Advantage: > > - can reuse good existing tools and infrastructure: git, github, etc. > > - probably faster than MC + SqueakSource > > - lower entry barrier for new people > > > > Disadvantage: > > - source control tools not integrated anymore > > - resolving merge conflicts may be tedious > > - we don't have our own solution for everything anymore ;) > > > > Adrian > > > >> > >> On 2011-02-21, at 16:48, Fabrizio Perin wrote: > >> > >>> Well more or less every 10 days i need to restart it. This discussion > happen > >>> already in different threads but again the problems are: > >>> 1- The machine hosting squeaksource is an old mac. Maybe on a new > machine > >>> running linux it could be better. > >>> 2- SqueakSource is running in a squeakimage on a SqueakVM 3.9 (if i'm > not > >>> wrong - anyway is very old stuff) and as far as i get, a porting to a > more > >>> recent environment (let say a pharo 1.3 on a cog vm) will mean to > rewrite > >>> entirely squaeksource. > >>> > >>> Now, this is a well know problem and a lot of people is already moving > to > >>> solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking about > >>> this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Fabrizio > >>> > >>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> do nothing, just wait and see until SqueakSource turns completely > unusable. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know if people won't noticed or don't want to admit it, but > >>>> SqueakSource is down very often lately.. > >>>> > >>>> 2011/2/21 Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>: > >>>>> SqueakSource is up and running. I did restart it at 15:55 GTM+1 so i > >>>> don't > >>>>> know how i can help you. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SqueakSource is down again. I'm tired of this situation, there is > any > >>>>>> alternative "free" repository? > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> HernÃ¡n Morales > >>>>>> Information Technology Manager, > >>>>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >>>>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >>>>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >>>>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >>>>>> Internal: 422 > >>>>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Igor Stasenko

Come on. We are talking about quality of service here, or about changing the service? I don't think that after migrating to (put your favorite here), we won't have any new problems. And then same, lack of people who can address them. On 21 February 2011 17:39, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 17:22 , Camillo Bruni wrote: > >> how about a file based system and git? > > yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... > > The simplest thing that could work: > - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) > - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. > - After git actions, load changed files and compile > > Advantage: > - can reuse good existing tools and infrastructure: git, github, etc. > - probably faster than MC + SqueakSource > - lower entry barrier for new people > > Disadvantage: > - source control tools not integrated anymore > - resolving merge conflicts may be tedious > - we don't have our own solution for everything anymore ;) > > Adrian > >> >> On 2011-02-21, at 16:48, Fabrizio Perin wrote: >> >>> Well more or less every 10 days i need to restart it. This discussion happen >>> already in different threads but again the problems are: >>> 1- The machine hosting squeaksource is an old mac. Maybe on a new machine >>> running linux it could be better. >>> 2- SqueakSource is running in a squeakimage on a SqueakVM 3.9 (if i'm not >>> wrong - anyway is very old stuff) and as far as i get, a porting to a more >>> recent environment (let say a pharo 1.3 on a cog vm) will mean to rewrite >>> entirely squaeksource. >>> >>> Now, this is a well know problem and a lot of people is already moving to >>> solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking about >>> this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Fabrizio >>> >>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> do nothing, just wait and see until SqueakSource turns completely unusable. >>>> >>>> I don't know if people won't noticed or don't want to admit it, but >>>> SqueakSource is down very often lately.. >>>> >>>> 2011/2/21 Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> SqueakSource is up and running. I did restart it at 15:55 GTM+1 so i >>>> don't >>>>> know how i can help you. >>>>> >>>>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> SqueakSource is down again. I'm tired of this situation, there is any >>>>>> alternative "free" repository? >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>>>>> Information Technology Manager, >>>>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>>>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>>>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>>>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>>>>> Internal: 422 >>>>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Chris Muller

>> how about a file based system and git? -1. > yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... > > The simplest thing that could work: > - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) > - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. > - After git actions, load changed files and compile Doesn't seem simpler than what is already written and working... Did someone say it is a hardware issue (old Mac)? Perhaps we should ask, _why_ is Squeaksource going down before addressing solutions. > Advantage: > - can reuse good existing tools and infrastructure: git, github, etc. SqueakSource is an existing tool. > - probably faster than MC + SqueakSource "Faster" for the computer to copy files, but slow and tedious for me to merge? > - lower entry barrier for new people SqueakSource is not the "barrier" keeping droves of people from Pharo is it?

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Adrian Lienhard

On Feb 21, 2011, at 17:22 , Camillo Bruni wrote: > how about a file based system and git? yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... The simplest thing that could work: - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. - After git actions, load changed files and compile Advantage: - can reuse good existing tools and infrastructure: git, github, etc. - probably faster than MC + SqueakSource - lower entry barrier for new people Disadvantage: - source control tools not integrated anymore - resolving merge conflicts may be tedious - we don't have our own solution for everything anymore ;) Adrian > > On 2011-02-21, at 16:48, Fabrizio Perin wrote: > >> Well more or less every 10 days i need to restart it. This discussion happen >> already in different threads but again the problems are: >> 1- The machine hosting squeaksource is an old mac. Maybe on a new machine >> running linux it could be better. >> 2- SqueakSource is running in a squeakimage on a SqueakVM 3.9 (if i'm not >> wrong - anyway is very old stuff) and as far as i get, a porting to a more >> recent environment (let say a pharo 1.3 on a cog vm) will mean to rewrite >> entirely squaeksource. >> >> Now, this is a well know problem and a lot of people is already moving to >> solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking about >> this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Fabrizio >> >> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Thanks, >>> do nothing, just wait and see until SqueakSource turns completely unusable. >>> >>> I don't know if people won't noticed or don't want to admit it, but >>> SqueakSource is down very often lately.. >>> >>> 2011/2/21 Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>: >>>> SqueakSource is up and running. I did restart it at 15:55 GTM+1 so i >>> don't >>>> know how i can help you. >>>> >>>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> SqueakSource is down again. I'm tired of this situation, there is any >>>>> alternative "free" repository? >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>>>> Information Technology Manager, >>>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>>>> Internal: 422 >>>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>>>> >>> >>> > >

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Camillo Bruni

how about a file based system and git? On 2011-02-21, at 16:48, Fabrizio Perin wrote: > Well more or less every 10 days i need to restart it. This discussion happen > already in different threads but again the problems are: > 1- The machine hosting squeaksource is an old mac. Maybe on a new machine > running linux it could be better. > 2- SqueakSource is running in a squeakimage on a SqueakVM 3.9 (if i'm not > wrong - anyway is very old stuff) and as far as i get, a porting to a more > recent environment (let say a pharo 1.3 on a cog vm) will mean to rewrite > entirely squaeksource. > > Now, this is a well know problem and a lot of people is already moving to > solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking about > this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. > > Cheers, > > Fabrizio > > 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > >> Thanks, >> do nothing, just wait and see until SqueakSource turns completely unusable. >> >> I don't know if people won't noticed or don't want to admit it, but >> SqueakSource is down very often lately.. >> >> 2011/2/21 Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>: >>> SqueakSource is up and running. I did restart it at 15:55 GTM+1 so i >> don't >>> know how i can help you. >>> >>> 2011/2/21 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>> SqueakSource is down again. I'm tired of this situation, there is any >>>> alternative "free" repository? >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>>> Information Technology Manager, >>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>>> Internal: 422 >>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>>> >> >>

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13054

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yeepeeeee Mariano is back :) >> >> > hhehhehehe yes, after a 25 internet-offline-holidays-days :) > Ouch, how many mails ? Laurent. > > >> Laurent >> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is nice. I'd love to see more integrators :) >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM, laurent laffont < >>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 13054 >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> COTDC >>>> - 7. CodeAnnotationMorph - A.Plantec >>>> - 8. WikiStyleHelpBuilder - L.Laffont >>>> >>>> >>>> my first integration alone, hope I've done it right :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> >>>> >>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Feb. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13054

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Yeepeeeee Mariano is back :) > > hhehhehehe yes, after a 25 internet-offline-holidays-days :) > Laurent > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is nice. I'd love to see more integrators :) >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM, laurent laffont < >> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 13054 >>> ----- >>> >>> COTDC >>> - 7. CodeAnnotationMorph - A.Plantec >>> - 8. WikiStyleHelpBuilder - L.Laffont >>> >>> >>> my first integration alone, hope I've done it right :) >>> >>> >>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> >>> >>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> >

Feb. 21, 2011