February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website

by Torsten Bergmann

http://www.opencroquet.org now only provides the SDK, no videos, no text anymore. Anyone know what happened? Tx T. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

Feb. 22, 2011

[Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Torsten Bergmann

>I think that Monticello as it is today is pretty good. I remember working in >Smalltalk without something like Monticello and it was a PITA. +1 >My first experiences with Envy I used Envy, Monticello, Store, DVS, Changesets, ST/MT XML Project files with VisualSourceSafe, Smallscript scripts in Subversion and others in the past (when in Smalltalk land). If I could choose among them I would vote for Monticello! >Anyway, putting it on a newer Linux based server (shouldn't have to cost >that much) and adding some of the standard tools to monitor the process and >reboot it if necessary will probably already help a lot Squeaksource could be improved (google indexing, ...), no doubt about it. But we should'nt confuse a "squeaksource.com" (server problem) with a squeaksource (the program) problem. Other Squeaksource instances like http://source.squeak.org run stable AFAIK. So the real question is: is anyone able to provide a backuped server that is reachable from the web and that could be used for a fresh setup of squeaksource (the program)? Tx Torsten -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sources Google Hit Ratio

by Tobias Pape

Am 2011-02-22 um 11:08 schrieb Janko MivÅ¡ek: > On 22. 02. 2011 09:11, Craig Latta wrote: >> >>> I do not know the exact circumstances of squeaksource's amazing low >>> google index, but I think we can change this. >> >> Set up some Seaside servers for Google to crawl? > > New SqueakSource currently in development by Iliad guys will have nice > REST-full Urls for the Smalltalk code. Google searchable therefore! so will squeaksource3 so long, -tobias

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 21/02/2011 16:48, Fabrizio Perin a Ã©crit : > to solve it (surely you can find lots of email from Stephan talking > about this). I'm trying to keep the system alive. > Thanks ;) Hilaire

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I think that Monticello as it is today is pretty good. I remember working in Smalltalk without something like Monticello and it was a PITA. My first experiences with Envy were that it was very complex, hard to use and hugely overpriced. The fact that we all hate it so much when SqueakSource is down means one thing: we use it a lot and we've come to depend on it. That is a good thing. Now as some others have said many times on this list: this is free open-source software, nothing or very little will change by complaining, you have to do something yourself. Anyway, putting it on a newer Linux based server (shouldn't have to cost that much) and adding some of the standard tools to monitor the process and reboot it if necessary will probably already help a lot. Sven

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

On 02/22/2011 10:21 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 February 2011 08:21, Philippe Marschall > <philippe.marschall(a)netcetera.ch> wrote: >> On 02/21/2011 05:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2011, at 17:22 , Camillo Bruni wrote: >>> >>>> how about a file based system and git? >>> >>> yea, just discussed this very idea an hour ago... >>> >>> The simplest thing that could work: >>> - Write out changes to files (for each method and class) >>> - Use git to commit, push, pull, merge, etc. >>> - After git actions, load changed files and compile >> >> Been there, done that. Was called DVS, the predecessor of Monticello. It >> sucked. >> > > Can you give some details? > What were deliverables (if any)? > What was gone wrong? Yes, Avi wrote DVS first, and then MC after that. DVS was the first attempt to bring the "CVS style" update-with-automerge-fixconflicts-commit cycle to Squeak. Now, Colin could probably describe this better - I don't think I ever used DVS - but my guess would be that the hassle of doing the merge outside of Squeak was the biggest drawback. You will either spend a LOT of code to try to reflect the merge into Squeak - or you will end up sitting in a text editor doing conflict resolution on a "line by line" basis in your fileout format of choice. I don't want to put a damper on any kind of SCM efforts being made, but I do think that it is quite hard (not impossible, but hard) to gain real benefits of using outside infrastructure like for example git. regards, GÃ¶ran

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] COG and locale

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 22/02/2011 11:33, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : > So far, it looks like the Locale C code file in COG was massively > refactored. > > I will try with another Linux build of COG I tried with linux build VM.r2361 and locale does not work om my system (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS). I don't have other system to try (At least on OLPC XO Fedora based distribution the problem is the same). If COG VM users could try to execute this "Locale current" and respond here the result, we could have and idea if the problem is specific to OS version or OS family. On both Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and OLPC OS 10.1.2 "Locale current" returns the wrong locale (locale primitive returns an empty string) Hilaire

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] COG and locale

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 21/02/2011 22:51, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >> Tracking down to the primitive calls in the class Locale, those always >> return empty string. Primitive are for now unknown land for me. >> >> Hilaire > > Might be related to http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3264 ? Looks like the opposite problem. So far, it looks like the Locale C code file in COG was massively refactored. I will try with another Linux build of COG Hilaire -- Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sources Google Hit Ratio

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

On 22. 02. 2011 09:11, Craig Latta wrote: > >> I do not know the exact circumstances of squeaksource's amazing low >> google index, but I think we can change this. > > Set up some Seaside servers for Google to crawl? New SqueakSource currently in development by Iliad guys will have nice REST-full Urls for the Smalltalk code. Google searchable therefore! Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sources Google Hit Ratio

by Camillo Bruni

On 2011-02-22, at 10:45, laurent laffont wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillo.bruni(a)inria.fr>wrote: > >> >> On 2011-02-22, at 09:21, Geert Claes wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Camillo Bruni wrote: >>>> >>>> I just figured you cannot use google to program in pharo!! >>>> At least my common approach is to use google to search for some code >>>> snippets in order to fill my overloaded brain. >>>> >>>> How about setting up a website, Browse Pharo, which has a simple UI for >>>> browsing the majority of the Pharo sources. Unlike squeaksource, it >> should >>>> be properly indexed by google, e.g. feature NICE and DESCRIPTIVE URLs. I >>>> do not know the exact circumstances of squeaksource's amazing low google >>>> index, but I think we can change this. >>>> >>> >>> Maybe something like what Laurent made? >>> >>> http://magaloma.seasidehosting.st >> >> yep this is very nice already. >> The only thing missing are the source code views. >> >> Are the sources/image available somwhere? That would be very nice... >> > > > Source here, global read/write but newbie code (I did this to learn): > http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleWebDoc.html > > I can send you the image if you want. Hey, perfect, I will try to extend it by the end of the week. camillo > Laurent. > > > >> >> thanks >> >> m(^_-)m >> camillo >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sources-Google-Hit-Ratio-tp3318289p3318745.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> >>

Feb. 22, 2011