February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3708 in pharo: Selection text color enh

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Comment #5 on issue 3708 by stephane...(a)gmail.com: Selection text color enh http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3708 in 13058

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

My read on OpenCobalt was that it was not a fork, but a complete replacement. The consortium was effectively saying "we're the big guys now, and we're going to do this right..." It is fascinating to see that Smalltalk won out. I still don't like the compiler changes: never do _to_ the language what you can do _using_ the language. Well, ok, there are exceptions such as primitives, but Tea really should be an event/announcement system made from ordinary objects (including some weaklings, of course). I also do not care for the forced 3D immersion idea. Their code for handling 3D objects was gorgeous, at least when I last looked. They also appear to have tried to separate some of it for use by other projects. I need to dig into that. Hopefully it's the same stuff, but embeddable in a traditional desktop app. Minor disagreements aside, I wish them well with it, and I'm thrilled to see Smalltalk back on the job :) Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Torsten Bergmann [astares(a)gmx.de] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:48 AM To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website Bill wrote (on pharo list): >They appear to back full tilt on the Smalltalk front, using Squeak. >http://www.opencobalt.org Yes, I know OpenCobalt and I thought of it as a fork. According to the wikipedia page [1] (which only links to Croquet) it sits on top of the Croquet SDK. Similar to the Krestianstvo SDK. However - would be nice if http://www.opencroquet.org would point also to - http://www.opencobalt.org and - http://www.krestianstvo.org/ if anyone knows a person who is able to change the page. Bye T. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_Project -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

Feb. 22, 2011

[Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website

by Torsten Bergmann

Bill wrote (on pharo list): >They appear to back full tilt on the Smalltalk front, using Squeak. >http://www.opencobalt.org Yes, I know OpenCobalt and I thought of it as a fork. According to the wikipedia page [1] (which only links to Croquet) it sits on top of the Croquet SDK. Similar to the Krestianstvo SDK. However - would be nice if http://www.opencroquet.org would point also to - http://www.opencobalt.org and - http://www.krestianstvo.org/ if anyone knows a person who is able to change the page. Bye T. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_Project -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Fabrizio Perin

2011/2/22 Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> > On 22/02/11 6:34 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> Anyway, putting it on a newer Linux based server (shouldn't have to >> cost that much) and adding some of the standard tools to monitor the >> process and reboot it if necessary will probably already help a lot. >> > > But simply rebooting the image may not be enough. IIUC, due to the image > based per persistence, some manual recovery is necessary in some cases. > > > Recently Tudor "missed" some commit (don't know what happened) so a script have to be run to ensure them again. So yes, is not just a matter of restart the image when is down

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3711 in pharo: DefaultStubs in Undeclared

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #4 on issue 3711 by guillerm...(a)gmail.com: DefaultStubs in Undeclared http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3711 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 22 Feb 2011, at 13:54, Yanni Chiu wrote: > On 22/02/11 6:34 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Anyway, putting it on a newer Linux based server (shouldn't have to >> cost that much) and adding some of the standard tools to monitor the >> process and reboot it if necessary will probably already help a lot. > > But simply rebooting the image may not be enough. IIUC, due to the image based per persistence, some manual recovery is necessary in some cases. I read that too, but I can't imagine that the person doing the reboot does a lot of manual interventions regarding the data. The actual use of SqueakSource must be so massive that it is next to impossible to see if things are OK. But I am just guessing here.

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3571 in pharo: [Failing Test] Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #3 on issue 3571 by guillerm...(a)gmail.com: [Failing Test] Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3571 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3482 in pharo: InterimSoundMorph references to SketchMorph

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #16 on issue 3482 by guillerm...(a)gmail.com: InterimSoundMorph references to SketchMorph http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3482 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down... again

by Yanni Chiu

On 22/02/11 6:34 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Anyway, putting it on a newer Linux based server (shouldn't have to > cost that much) and adding some of the standard tools to monitor the > process and reboot it if necessary will probably already help a lot. But simply rebooting the image may not be enough. IIUC, due to the image based per persistence, some manual recovery is necessary in some cases.

Feb. 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I don't. What I remembered reading was that project had shifted to some other name (Cobalt turns out to be it) and had left Smalltalk for Java. Turns out, I wasn't just having a bad dream. From the FAQ: "Why not use Java for Open Cobalt? When we first set out to build Open Cobalt's underlying Croquet architecture, we intended to do it in Java. However, we had to abandon that approach because Java lacked needed meta facilities. Open Cobalt relies heavily on the Smalltalk meta system and accessible internals." They appear to back full tilt on the Smalltalk front, using Squeak. I prefer Pharo, but I can live with it :) http://www.opencobalt.org/ Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Torsten Bergmann [astares(a)gmx.de] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:11 AM To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] OpenCroquet Website http://www.opencroquet.org now only provides the SDK, no videos, no text anymore. Anyone know what happened? Tx T. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

Feb. 22, 2011