February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by Tudor Girba

Excellent news! I agree that the admin should be kept to a minimum. It would be good to define the role of the board from the start. One thing that is important is not just how people get in the board, but also how they go away. I would be interested in getting involved in the board, if wanted. Cheers, Doru On 3 Feb 2011, at 11:17, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the work for the bank ;) > This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign papers and go to the prefecture and .... > > Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we would like to have on the board. > For me I would like to get people from industry: > - adrian > - johan > > then some acad > - me > - marcus > - luc > > But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election because we do not want to have election :) > The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** discussions around pharo visions and next steps > + organization of bounty and money collecting actions > + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) > + collect licenses... > Stef -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Igor for the VM you do not care. Just take the latest version that was in PharoNonCorePackages and that I published in PharoSound. There is just cleaning of references. Not much more differences between henrik and me version. I just have to understand what he did and describe and redo it . Stef On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 3 February 2011 11:19, Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:16 11AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> Good. >>>> So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for >>>> Sound package. >>>> (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) >>>> >>>> On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> For your info >>>>> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >>>>> Next step: >>>>> merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >>>>> fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>> >>> Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html >>> The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry >> >> Oh wait, you just pushed the packages? >> Then why rename the versions, indicating they are newer revisions in the browser? >> > he just copied packages from all other places into new repo. > > now we need to merge/throw out unnecessary stuff and continue from clean point. > > >> Cheers, >> Henry >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

No time rigth now Igor needs a stable location for VM building. Merge later this is on my todo but it is quite long right now ";) On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:16 11AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> Good. >>> So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for >>> Sound package. >>> (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) >>> >>> On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> For your info >>>> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >>>> Next step: >>>> merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >>>> fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >> >> Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html >> The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. >> >> Cheers, >> Henry > > Oh wait, you just pushed the packages? > Then why rename the versions, indicating they are newer revisions in the browser? > > Cheers, > Henry

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by Igor Stasenko

On 3 February 2011 11:19, Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:16 11AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> Good. >>> So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for >>> Sound package. >>> (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) >>> >>> On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> For your info >>>> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >>>> Next step: >>>> Â Â Â merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >>>> Â Â Â fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >> >> Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html >> The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. >> >> Cheers, >> Henry > > Oh wait, you just pushed the packages? > Then why rename the versions, indicating they are newer revisions in the browser? > he just copied packages from all other places into new repo. now we need to merge/throw out unnecessary stuff and continue from clean point. > Cheers, > Henry > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by Igor Stasenko

Henrik, could you please do us a favor and clean up this mess? Because i really feel lost, what sound package i should use for building VM, from what repository, and what version... On 3 February 2011 11:16, Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Good. >> So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for >> Sound package. >> (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) >> >> On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> For your info >>> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >>> Next step: >>> Â Â Â Â merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >>> Â Â Â Â fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >>> >>> Stef >>> > > Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html > The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. > > Cheers, > Henry > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by Henrik Johansen

On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:16 11AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Good. >> So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for >> Sound package. >> (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) >> >> On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> For your info >>> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >>> Next step: >>> merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >>> fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >>> >>> Stef >>> > > Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html > The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. > > Cheers, > Henry Oh wait, you just pushed the packages? Then why rename the versions, indicating they are newer revisions in the browser? Cheers, Henry

Feb. 3, 2011

[Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the work for the bank ;) This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign papers and go to the prefecture and .... Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we would like to have on the board. For me I would like to get people from industry: - adrian - johan then some acad - me - marcus - luc But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election because we do not want to have election :) The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** discussions around pharo visions and next steps + organization of bounty and money collecting actions + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) + collect licenses... Stef

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by Henrik Johansen

On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:09 23AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Good. > So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for > Sound package. > (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) > > On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> For your info >> I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound >> Next step: >> merged and have a look at the idea of henrik >> fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound >> >> Stef >> Please read http://forum.world.st/Sound-package-fixes-tp3249216p3251622.html The merge you did chose to use all the things I said were NOT neccessary/wanted. Cheers, Henry

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound

by Igor Stasenko

Good. So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for Sound package. (you now, i can do copy-paste ;) On 3 February 2011 11:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > For your info > I pushed pushed sound + sound interface from pharoNonCorePackage to PharoSound > Next step: > Â Â Â Â merged and have a look at the idea of henrik > Â Â Â Â fix pharo-dev to load from pharoSound > > Stef > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Accessing external resources in a cross-platform way

by Igor Stasenko

On 3 February 2011 10:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok I published everything to Filesystem which BTW was dead since 2004! > > Let us see what it will change. > Good. So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for Filesystem package. > Stef > >>> Hernan >>> >>> I'm documenting and reorganizing and writing more tests for FS. >>> I contacted colin several times but got no feedback. The version that we will integrate in Pharo is >>> available at: >>> Â Â Â Â PharoTaskForces >>> Â Â Â Â if you want to integrate/publish your code there, then you are welcomed. >>> We will do several rounds, probably integrate dale gemstone fixes, deprecate and change some api >>> like workingDirectory returning a path and calling it workingDirectoryPath >>> and push FS in Pharo. Of course, people may probably complain but we will do it. >>> >> >> >> How about using open repo.. not pharo-specific? >> >> MCHttpRepository >> Â Â location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/fs' >> Â Â user: '' >> Â Â password: '' >> >> I see that FS is quite easy to port over forks/dialects. >> So, with some effort we can make it easily available across many >> smalltalk platforms. >> It will benefit not only Pharo (yes, Pharo could be a testbed for new >> filesystem), >> but then if people will want to port it on another platform, they will >> have to just get in and start hacking there, >> without using controversial repository (PharoTaskForces) , because it >> means that this stuff is only for Pharo. >> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 1:01 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >>> >>>> I've just implemented an initial release on top of FileSystem and >>>> ProcessWrapper (it uses some bit of Grease too). This is how it works >>>> in Windows: >>>> >>>> ( FSLocator sysEnvBinaries / 'notepad.exe' ) resolve Â " >>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe " >>>> ( FSLocator sysEnvBinaries / 'X264VFW.DLL' ) resolve Â " >>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\X264VFW.DLL " >>>> ( FSLocator userBinaries / 'excel.exe' ) resolve Â Â Â Â Â Â Â " C:\Archivos de >>>> programa\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE " >>>> ( FSLocator userBinaries / 'firefox.exe' ) resolve Â Â Â Â Â Â " C:\Archivos de >>>> programa\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" >>>> >>>> So #sysEnvBinaries search in the OS PATH environment variable >>>> locations (which is usually pretty fast) and #userBinaries in the >>>> "program files" locations (it could be slow depending the amount of >>>> entries). It's only tested under Windows, IIRC user binaries in Unix >>>> are inside "/usr/local/bin" but you may tweak it to other locations, I >>>> have no access to a Unix or MacOS. Feel free to suggest or add any >>>> enhacements you like. >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> HernÃ¡n >>>> >>>> 2011/1/28 Colin Putney <colin(a)wiresong.com>: >>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:17 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >>>>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks David, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen FileSystem package http://www.wiresong.ca/filesystem/ >>>>>> it seems related in some way too >>>>> >>>>> Yes, FileSystem does attempt to provide a cross-platform way to >>>>> resolve paths that are system-dependent. It doesn't include a way to >>>>> search for executables, although that's a good feature idea. As David, >>>>> mentioned you probably want to get the value of the PATH environment >>>>> variable, and use that for your search. That will handle cross-host >>>>> differences as well as cross-platform issues. >>>>> >>>>> Colin >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <Fsextensions-hfm.2.mcz> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011