February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Accessing external resources in a cross-platform way

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Ok, saved FSExtensions package in http://www.squeaksource.com/fs.html I would not integrate into main package because it depends of ProcessWrapper and Grease. Notice the ConfigurationOfFilesystem in MetacelloRepository now is using the release at http://source.wiresong.ca/mc 2011/2/3 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > On 3 February 2011 10:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Ok I published everything to Filesystem which BTW was dead since 2004! >> >> Let us see what it will change. >> > > Good. > So let encourage people to use it as an OFFICIAL repository for > Filesystem package. > > >> Stef >> >>>> Hernan >>>> >>>> I'm documenting and reorganizing and writing more tests for FS. >>>> I contacted colin several times but got no feedback. The version that we will integrate in Pharo is >>>> available at: >>>> Â Â Â Â PharoTaskForces >>>> Â Â Â Â if you want to integrate/publish your code there, then you are welcomed. >>>> We will do several rounds, probably integrate dale gemstone fixes, deprecate and change some api >>>> like workingDirectory returning a path and calling it workingDirectoryPath >>>> and push FS in Pharo. Of course, people may probably complain but we will do it. >>>> >>> >>> >>> How about using open repo.. not pharo-specific? >>> >>> MCHttpRepository >>> Â Â location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/fs' >>> Â Â user: '' >>> Â Â password: '' >>> >>> I see that FS is quite easy to port over forks/dialects. >>> So, with some effort we can make it easily available across many >>> smalltalk platforms. >>> It will benefit not only Pharo (yes, Pharo could be a testbed for new >>> filesystem), >>> but then if people will want to port it on another platform, they will >>> have to just get in and start hacking there, >>> without using controversial repository (PharoTaskForces) , because it >>> means that this stuff is only for Pharo. >>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 1:01 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've just implemented an initial release on top of FileSystem and >>>>> ProcessWrapper (it uses some bit of Grease too). This is how it works >>>>> in Windows: >>>>> >>>>> ( FSLocator sysEnvBinaries / 'notepad.exe' ) resolve Â " >>>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe " >>>>> ( FSLocator sysEnvBinaries / 'X264VFW.DLL' ) resolve Â " >>>>> C:\WINDOWS\system32\X264VFW.DLL " >>>>> ( FSLocator userBinaries / 'excel.exe' ) resolve Â Â Â Â Â Â Â " C:\Archivos de >>>>> programa\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE " >>>>> ( FSLocator userBinaries / 'firefox.exe' ) resolve Â Â Â Â Â Â " C:\Archivos de >>>>> programa\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" >>>>> >>>>> So #sysEnvBinaries search in the OS PATH environment variable >>>>> locations (which is usually pretty fast) and #userBinaries in the >>>>> "program files" locations (it could be slow depending the amount of >>>>> entries). It's only tested under Windows, IIRC user binaries in Unix >>>>> are inside "/usr/local/bin" but you may tweak it to other locations, I >>>>> have no access to a Unix or MacOS. Feel free to suggest or add any >>>>> enhacements you like. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> HernÃ¡n >>>>> >>>>> 2011/1/28 Colin Putney <colin(a)wiresong.com>: >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:17 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >>>>>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks David, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've seen FileSystem package http://www.wiresong.ca/filesystem/ >>>>>>> it seems related in some way too >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, FileSystem does attempt to provide a cross-platform way to >>>>>> resolve paths that are system-dependent. It doesn't include a way to >>>>>> search for executables, although that's a good feature idea. As David, >>>>>> mentioned you probably want to get the value of the PATH environment >>>>>> variable, and use that for your search. That will handle cross-host >>>>>> differences as well as cross-platform issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> Colin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <Fsextensions-hfm.2.mcz> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by Miguel CobÃ¡

Good news! +1 to the proposed people. El jue, 03-02-2011 a las 11:17 +0100, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > Hi guys > > we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the work for the bank ;) > This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign papers and go to the prefecture and .... > > Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we would like to have on the board. > For me I would like to get people from industry: > - adrian > - johan > > then some acad > - me > - marcus > - luc > > But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election because we do not want to have election :) > The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** discussions around pharo visions and next steps > + organization of bounty and money collecting actions > + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) > + collect licenses... > Stef -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Feb. 3, 2011

[Pharo-project] Hudson build for Seaside too?

by Torsten Bergmann

OK - we have the hudson build for Pharo Core, Pharo, Moose, ... Since Pharo is the reference platform for Seaside wouldnt it make sense to run a hudson build for Seaside too: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) load. I know that http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/ builds a seaside one click ... but still on the old Pharo 1.1. Wouldnt it make sense to have one for Pharo1.2 with Seaside3.0 already. So we can see early when we break things for Seaside ... Bye T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] what do we do for OmniBrowser?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2011/2/3 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: >> >> Ok guys here is what I suggest: >> >> Â Â Â Â - create a PharoOB or something like that > > You ask for it, you have it: > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoOB > > Respository with licence MIT, global Read and Write access. > >> >> Â Â Â Â - push using gofer all the code from lukas repository >> >> Â Â Â Â - check the configuration for 1.1 >> >> Â Â Â Â - check the configuration for 1.2 > > We have the configs already in MetacelloRepository.Â We should move them to > the new repo to have everything together. > >> >> Â Â Â Â - there are some fixes we can integrate but we should make sure >> that the tests are always green. > > I'm integrating already the fixes into PharoTaskForces.Â If I have some tome > tomorrow I'll push OB from Lukas repo to PharoOB and merge. > Which one are you using? http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/ob21.html http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/omnibrowser.html

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

I think is a good idea to have a Board and public discussions. I'm doing some promotion work on areas as MicroISV (as I commented in Smalltalks 2010), and this happens mainly in USA (joelonsoftware/ycombinator/etc) and now I'm starting writing some articles to push a bit on Linux world, were I'm from years. Lot of tools and languages are established in Linux but I think we (the Smalltalkers) need to comment a lot more about our tools and environment and I'm trying to write some introductory articles to publish on Full Circle Magazine (http://fullcirclemagazine.org/) I already have the ok of the editor. Well, just my 2 cents. Cheers. 2011/2/3 Dmitri Zagidulin <dmitri(a)zagidulin.net>: > I would definitely be interested in helping with the 'outside > communication and promotion' part. Especially in the documentation and > tutorials department. I also bring in the North American perspective > (I'm in Maine, USA, and am frequently in Boston and New York), and the > non-academic professional developer perspective. > So, I don't know if there's room on the board or what the process is, > but I would definitely be interested in joining or helping out. > > Dmitri Zagidulin > http://smalltalkzen.wordpress.com > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:41 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> That's great. >> IMHO, "outside communication and promotion" should be an important goal. >> Laurent. >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea >>> there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and >>> a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the >>> work for the bank ;) >>> This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign >>> papers and go to the prefecture and .... >>> >>> Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we >>> would like to have on the board. >>> For me I would like to get people from industry: >>> Â Â Â Â - adrian >>> Â Â Â Â - johan >>> >>> then some acad >>> Â Â Â Â - me >>> Â Â Â Â - marcus >>> Â Â Â Â - luc >>> >>> But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election >>> because we do not want to have election :) >>> The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** >>> discussions around pharo visions and next steps >>> + organization of bounty and money collecting actions >>> + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) >>> + collect licenses... >>> Stef >> >> > >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] what do we do for OmniBrowser?

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Ah, excellent! I was just surprised to see it missing from the Seaside one-click 1.2 pharo image out of the box (since, if I recall correctly, it was there in Squeak and in previous Pharo builds). Since it seems like a key piece of functionality. And I couldn't figure out how to install it, and I saw a recent email thread on this list saying that it was broken, so I gave up on it for a while. But, I will try it again! On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> wrote: >> (btw, I still >> can't believe we as a community let SeasideTesting be broken in 1.2). > > Well, I just tested it in 1.2 for the first time and it works.... If something doesn't work for you, please send an email on the seaside mailinglist. I am actively using and maintaining SeasideTesting (whenever possible) and willing to help out if people experience problems. Mind that the external browser testing is a new feature that David included in his new version in VisualWorks but which I did not port to Pharo/Squeak (yet). However, the traditional simulated browser testing is working. We have over 300 tests in our application that use seaside testing.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by Dmitri Zagidulin

I would definitely be interested in helping with the 'outside communication and promotion' part. Especially in the documentation and tutorials department. I also bring in the North American perspective (I'm in Maine, USA, and am frequently in Boston and New York), and the non-academic professional developer perspective. So, I don't know if there's room on the board or what the process is, but I would definitely be interested in joining or helping out. Dmitri Zagidulin http://smalltalkzen.wordpress.com On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:41 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That's great. > IMHO, "outside communication and promotion" should be an important goal. > Laurent. > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea >> there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and >> a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the >> work for the bank ;) >> This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign >> papers and go to the prefecture and .... >> >> Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we >> would like to have on the board. >> For me I would like to get people from industry: >> Â Â Â Â - adrian >> Â Â Â Â - johan >> >> then some acad >> Â Â Â Â - me >> Â Â Â Â - marcus >> Â Â Â Â - luc >> >> But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election >> because we do not want to have election :) >> The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** >> discussions around pharo visions and next steps >> + organization of bounty and money collecting actions >> + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) >> + collect licenses... >> Stef > >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] documentation for "blessed" pharo repositories?

by Igor Stasenko

On 3 February 2011 14:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > There is new repositories for pre-existing packages like PharoOB, Filesystem, PharoSound. > As in the future this repositories can grow, and people like me can be confused... I wonder if we can add a page somewhere with this information? > I think best would be to put it close to code. I mean In some class comment: - my official location is _here_ use it , or get out of my sight :) And of course we having metacello configs. I think for builds, we could create something which generating the configurations by extracting the official locations from some package class.. So, by implementing tools which can do: MyPackageInfo officialLocation MyPackageInfo createMetacelloConfiguration: ConfigurationOfMyPackage we can avoid manual steps, which lead to mistakes. What i tried to do is to directly extract package information form current image and compose a script which loads exactly same package you are using in your image. So, then such script could be used to reproduce your configuration. Actually i wonder, if this feature could be added to Metacello.. So you could tell something like: ConfigurationOfMyPackage createSnapshotForNewVersion so, it will capture the state of packages in current image and generate new #versionXYZ: at instance side, which reflects it. > Cheers, > Esteban > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by Benoit St-Jean

Suggestion : it seems like a lot of the contribution efforts are coming from Europe. Perhaps having a (at least one) "North American point of view" on the board would help Pharo get more attention & success on this side of the world... For instance, it's a shame that Pharo doesn't get more academic presence in North America as compared to it's academic success in Europe. I don't know what causes that... But then, one could argue that I'm not 100% North American since I'm from Quebec and was born with that "European side"... ;) Keep up the good work guy! Bravo Ã vous messieurs! ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 5:17:18 AM Subject: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people Hi guys we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the work for the bank ;) This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign papers and go to the prefecture and .... Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we would like to have on the board. For me I would like to get people from industry: - adrian - johan then some acad - me - marcus - luc But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election because we do not want to have election :) The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** discussions around pharo visions and next steps + organization of bounty and money collecting actions + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) + collect licenses... Stef

Feb. 3, 2011

[Pharo-project] Build failed in Hudson: Pharo 1.2 #114

by Torsten Bergmann

https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.2/116/ Yay! Working again... -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

Feb. 3, 2011