February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Oh, great.. SqS is down

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 3, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> so i can do home... (grrrrrrr) >>> >> up again. I will give you the needed info to restart it yourself tomorrow. > > Wouldn't it be better to create a cron job which checks it every minute and restarts it if necessary? > Yes! Another thing would be to just restart SqueakSource once per week. It sounds like a hack, but calling it "rejuvenation" makes it sound better :-) I suggested both in the past, but there was a reason why both where not done. But I don't remember... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Dmitri Zagidulin wrote: > I would definitely be interested in helping with the 'outside > communication and promotion' part. Especially in the documentation and > tutorials department. I also bring in the North American perspective > (I'm in Maine, USA, and am frequently in Boston and New York), and the > non-academic professional developer perspective. > So, I don't know if there's room on the board or what the process is, > but I would definitely be interested in joining or helping out. > > Dmitri Zagidulin > http://smalltalkzen.wordpress.com Thanks Dmitri!. This is important to get blogs and others. A digest of the things happening in the list would be great. Like new framework summary of fixes... discussions. The point is that we want to keep the board actions only for just taking decisions when the community disagree (and for non politically correct remarks :)). All the rest of the discussions should get public and may be via this list or pharo-users. Stef

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] documentation for "blessed" pharo repositories?

by Igor Stasenko

On 3 February 2011 18:16, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > Igor, > > I am willing to add new features to Metacello to make the development process run smoother. > > The MetacelloToolBox has a number of methods for programmatically building configurations and creating new versions and I have Metacello support for copying configurations files to different repositories and automatically saving dirty mcz files, so many of the features that you are talking about may already be there. > > The MetacelloToolBox is documented here: > > Â http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/metacello-1-0-beta-28-unearthe… > > The current toolbox api pretty much reflects my working style, but I am willing to extend/expand the api to support a broader range of requirements. > Yeah , that's actually what i thinking about: MetacelloToolBox saveModifiedPackagesIn: ConfigurationOfGemToolsExample description: '- fixed Issue 1090'. so, that's cool, except that i have to learn Metacello before starting using it for real. You know we are all very-very busy people. But i would really like to create a VMMaker configs, which will work out of the box.. so it has to be done once :) > Dale > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo fondation: administration and real people

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

good points. We will think about that. On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Excellent news! I agree that the admin should be kept to a minimum. > > It would be good to define the role of the board from the start. One thing that is important is not just how people get in the board, but also how they go away. > > I would be interested in getting involved in the board, if wanted. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 3 Feb 2011, at 11:17, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> we are filling up papers with luc to get a fondation for pharo. The idea there is to have a minimal administrative board: a president that signs and a tresaurer that counts. We suggest to be me and luc because he is doing the work for the bank ;) >> This admin board should be kept small else at each changes we have to sign papers and go to the prefecture and .... >> >> Now we want to have a real board and we would like to hear from you who we would like to have on the board. >> For me I would like to get people from industry: >> - adrian >> - johan >> >> then some acad >> - me >> - marcus >> - luc >> >> But we want to hear from you about ideas. We do not want an election because we do not want to have election :) >> The goal of the board will be to think and organize ***public*** discussions around pharo visions and next steps >> + organization of bounty and money collecting actions >> + infrastructure (paying bills for servers if necessary) >> + collect licenses... >> Stef > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Pharocasts: GUI with Polymorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

argh the kind of mail I cannot skip fast :) Thanks a lot laurent! S. On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:46 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Develop a contact manager desktop application. > > You will learn: > - how Pharo helps the "Program by intention" style of programming > - how to create basic persistency of created Contact object > - how to compose a GUI, basic widgets, events and layout > > http://www.pharocasts.com/2011/02/pharo-gui-with-polymorph.html > > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] what do we do for OmniBrowser?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Good merge everything in PharoOB for 1.2 I fix a problem with class comment. The fix is in the bugtracker on pahro12.dev But I forgot to run the tests On Feb 3, 2011, at 4:49 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > 2011/2/3 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> wrote: >>> >>> Ok guys here is what I suggest: >>> >>> - create a PharoOB or something like that >> >> You ask for it, you have it: >> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoOB >> >> Respository with licence MIT, global Read and Write access. >> >>> >>> - push using gofer all the code from lukas repository >>> >>> - check the configuration for 1.1 >>> >>> - check the configuration for 1.2 >> >> We have the configs already in MetacelloRepository. We should move them to >> the new repo to have everything together. >> >>> >>> - there are some fixes we can integrate but we should make sure >>> that the tests are always green. >> >> I'm integrating already the fixes into PharoTaskForces. If I have some tome >> tomorrow I'll push OB from Lukas repo to PharoOB and merge. >> > > Which one are you using? > > http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/ob21.html > > http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/omnibrowser.html >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Oh, great.. SqS is down

by Levente Uzonyi

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> so i can do home... (grrrrrrr) >> > up again. I will give you the needed info to restart it yourself tomorrow. Wouldn't it be better to create a cron job which checks it every minute and restarts it if necessary? Levente > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > >

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Our response to JS proxy API + Cog regression

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 2, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > I read the paper, which i found once on Stephane's table: > Proxies: Design Principles for Robust Object-oriented Intercession APIs [1] > > and we discussed it.. and while there is not much interesting stuff > for smalltalkers, > still a couple of things were said about smalltalk that was not quite true :) > Our other answer (published already last year...) is of course this paper: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/publications/bib?&query=Arna10a&display… Jean-Baptiste Arnaud, Marcus Denker, StÃ©phane Ducasse, Damien Pollet, Alexandre Bergel, and Mathieu Suen. Read-Only Execution for Dynamic Languages. Abstract Supporting read-only and side effect free execution has been the focus of a large body of work in the area of statically typed programming languages. Read-onlyness in dynamically typed languages is difficult to achieve because of the absence of a type checking phase and the support of an open-world assumption in which code can be constantly added and modified. To address this issue, we propose Dynamic Read-Only references (DRO) that provide a view on an object where this object and its object graph are protected from modification. The read- only view dynamically propagates to aggregated objects, without changing the object graph itself; it acts as a read-only view of complex data structures, without making them read-only globally. We implement dynamic read-only references by using smart object proxies that lazily propagate the read-only view, following the object graph and driven by control flow and applied them to realize side-effect free assertions. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Feb. 3, 2011

[Pharo-project] Issue 3651 in pharo: [Hudson] Do Seaside builds for 1.2 and 1.3 for regression testing

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Status: Accepted Owner: marcus.d...(a)gmail.com New issue 3651 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: [Hudson] Do Seaside builds for 1.2 and 1.3 for regression testing http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3651 Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) load.

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson build for Seaside too?

by Marcus Denker

On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > OK - we have the hudson build for Pharo Core, Pharo, Moose, ... > > Since Pharo is the reference platform for Seaside > wouldnt it make sense to run a hudson build for > Seaside too: > > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; > load. > > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) load. > > I know that http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/ builds a seaside > one click ... but still on the old Pharo 1.1. > > Wouldnt it make sense to have one for Pharo1.2 with Seaside3.0 > already. So we can see early when we break things for Seaside ... > Yes, I think this is a good idea. Not for providing an alternative distribution, but as a nice regression test and a *huge* additional testsuite, this would be very valuable. And we can this way coordinate API level changes much better. I will put it on the list. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Feb. 3, 2011