February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Sean P. DeNigris

Let's play! Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Comment-Game-MMORPG-for-real-tp3260566p3260713.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Guillermo Polito

Yeap, but meanwhile, we can choose one by hand and play :P On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 February 2011 19:04, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ok with the game :) > > > > but #anyOne will not answer a random class, always the first in set. You > should use #atRandom > > > yeah, sure. > > @Markus: And sender should be Mr.Hudson :) > > > > best, > > Esteban > > > > El 04/02/2011, a las 2:55p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > > > >> Hehe.. write a bot for hudson, which at each successful build sends > >> mail to list > >> asking to comment random uncommented class. > >> > >> :) > >> > >> On 4 February 2011 18:43, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> This code is OK ? > >>> (SystemNavigation default > >>> allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. > >>> Laurent. > >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Shoot > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont > >>>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I propose a little game. > >>>>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore > (in > >>>>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a > >>>>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated > with > >>>>> the name of his author. > >>>>> One day - One comment. > >>>>> Ready ? > >>>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > >>>>> > >>>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > >>>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Igor Stasenko

On 4 February 2011 19:04, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ok with the game :) > > but #anyOne will not answer a random class, always the first in set. You should use #atRandom > yeah, sure. @Markus: And sender should be Mr.Hudson :) > best, > Esteban > > El 04/02/2011, a las 2:55p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > >> Hehe.. write a bot for hudson, which at each successful build sends >> mail to list >> asking to comment random uncommented class. >> >> :) >> >> On 4 February 2011 18:43, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> This code is OK ? >>> (SystemNavigation default >>> Â Â allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. >>> Laurent. >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Shoot >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont >>>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I propose a little game. >>>>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >>>>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >>>>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >>>>> the name of his author. >>>>> One day - One comment. >>>>> Ready ? >>>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>>>> >>>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Esteban Lorenzano

ok with the game :) but #anyOne will not answer a random class, always the first in set. You should use #atRandom best, Esteban El 04/02/2011, a las 2:55p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > Hehe.. write a bot for hudson, which at each successful build sends > mail to list > asking to comment random uncommented class. > > :) > > On 4 February 2011 18:43, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> This code is OK ? >> (SystemNavigation default >> allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. >> Laurent. >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Shoot >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont >>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I propose a little game. >>>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >>>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >>>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >>>> the name of his author. >>>> One day - One comment. >>>> Ready ? >>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>>> >>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Dmitri Zagidulin

This (all of it) is a fantastic idea :) On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hehe.. write a bot for hudson, which at each successful build sends > mail to list > asking to comment random uncommented class. > > :) > > On 4 February 2011 18:43, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> This code is OK ? >> (SystemNavigation default >> Â Â allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. >> Laurent. >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Shoot >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont >>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I propose a little game. >>>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >>>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >>>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >>>> the name of his author. >>>> One day - One comment. >>>> Ready ? >>>> Laurent Laffont -Â @lolgzs >>>> >>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] About FS: sad reality.

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 04 Feb 2011, at 17:36, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I'm sorry but I stopped working on FS. I cannot guess what is private or not, what is the interface of this code. > I spent my time guessing and guessing wrong. So I stop. Simple. > In addition I will veto the integration of this code in this state to be added into pharo (sad I started to write an help but > it is probably full of mistakes). I HATE undocumented code that tell me eveyr minutes that I'm a fucking idiot. > Too bad I'm not smart enough. Now without decent comments (I mean more than a line in class comment when there is one) we cannot accept code. > Sad but true. Good luck if you want to use it and improve it. > > Stef Stef, Your quest for more comments is a good and a valid one, no question about it. And I don't want to defend FS, I only know it from Lukas' blog post and it seemed better than what we have now. But the quality of a good design is certainly not just comments. It is perfectly possible to have code with lots of comments that is still bad. And if you take away all comments from a good design, it can still be a good design. Good abstractions, good names, separations of concerns, .. all those things that we all value are important. Using proper language idioms and conventions is another good idea. Many good programmers are a bit reluctant to write comments, and they usually value elegant code that speaks for itself. I have certainly seen lots of really good code in the image that has little to no comments. And I have seen lots of comments that make me sick. It also seems pretty hard for someone who is not the original author to write comments. And a prerequisite to writing comments is that you understand and like the system that you are commenting. If you are struggling with something, that does not seem like a good state of mind to improve the comments. Sven PS: the public/private distinction is a bit hard in Smalltalk, but the conventions seem to be method categories with 'private' in them, no ?

Feb. 4, 2011

[Pharo-project] There is a new config for Cog VMMaker

by Igor Stasenko

Try it out with 1.2 image and tell if it works for you. SqueakSource.com/MetacelloRepository/ConfigurationOfCog -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Igor Stasenko

Hehe.. write a bot for hudson, which at each successful build sends mail to list asking to comment random uncommented class. :) On 4 February 2011 18:43, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This code is OK ? > (SystemNavigation default > Â Â allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. > Laurent. > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Shoot >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont >> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I propose a little game. >>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >>> the name of his author. >>> One day - One comment. >>> Ready ? >>> Laurent Laffont -Â @lolgzs >>> >>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by Guillermo Polito

That seems to be fine :). Let's give it a try, hehe. We can change tomorrow's code if not ;). On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > This code is OK ? > > (SystemNavigation default > allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. > > Laurent. > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Shoot >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont < >> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I propose a little game. >>> >>> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >>> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >>> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >>> the name of his author. >>> >>> One day - One comment. >>> >>> Ready ? >>> >>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> >>> >>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >> >> >

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] The Comment Game - MMORPG for real

by laurent laffont

This code is OK ? (SystemNavigation default allClassesAndTraits reject: [:aClass| aClass hasComment]) anyOne. Laurent. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Shoot > > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I propose a little game. >> >> Each day (not Sunday) I will take a not commented class in PharoCore (in >> development - 1.3) and tell it on this list. The game is to propose a >> comment and at the end of the day the best comment will be integrated with >> the name of his author. >> >> One day - One comment. >> >> Ready ? >> >> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> >> >> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> > >

Feb. 4, 2011