February 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] A new GUI visual designer

by Norbert Hartl

On 12.02.2011, at 14:20, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Le 12/02/2011 14:14, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >> >> On 12.02.2011, at 13:57, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry but I disagree. >>> XML as a meta-language is old, bad and shit. >>> >> If you say XML is no-go shouldn't you present an alternative at the same time? > > Lisp, Scheme or even Smalltalk :) You are right. I didn't want to give suggestions :) I would have said. If it doesn't need to be cross language and it should be structured and readable than smalltalk is probably the best solution. To me Lisp classifies at the level of XML if it comes to readability :) Norbert

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3696 in pharo: Default style loading problem

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #2 on issue 3696 by stephane...(a)gmail.com: Default style loading problem http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3696 in 13052

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A new GUI visual designer

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 12/02/2011 14:14, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : > > On 12.02.2011, at 13:57, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> I'm sorry but I disagree. >> XML as a meta-language is old, bad and shit. >> > If you say XML is no-go shouldn't you present an alternative at the same time? Lisp, Scheme or even Smalltalk :)

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A new GUI visual designer

by Norbert Hartl

On 12.02.2011, at 13:57, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > I'm sorry but I disagree. > XML as a meta-language is old, bad and shit. > If you say XML is no-go shouldn't you present an alternative at the same time? Norbert > readable=good > xml=really bad (and not-readable either, most of the times... unless you are some kind of cyborg) > > El 12/02/2011, a las 7:35a.m., nullPointer escribiÃ³: > >> >> My knowledge of Smalltalk/Squeak/Pharo is limited, but I believe somethings. >> >> 1- I believe Pharo/Squeak needs a different way for "render" the morphs. I >> suppose Rome go to that direction. >> >> 2- A language, human readable, for define the UI. I believe than XAML or >> XUL, based on XML, be good examples. And connect the UI to >> Controller/Presenter/ViewModel of same way, through bindings, Commands etc >> like WPF. >> >> The code generated for designer of VW or Smalltalk/X donÂ´t readable and >> updatable for a human, only for the same designer mechanism. DonÂ´t works of >> example. ItÂ´s a OLD way, is a BAD way, is a shit way. >> >> 3- Implements a set of widgets. That is not difficult I believe. The main >> problem is the way of connect that widgets with data. I repeat above, >> bindings mechanism from WPF is a good-good example. >> Perhaps exists some controls for build... numeric controls with formatable >> values, datatime controls, grids (nobody needs a grid control on >> Pharo/Smalltalk?? IÂ´m unique? How I can create a enterprise app without >> that?) >> >> 4- Implement the designer. BUT, that step donÂ´t is needed if the language >> for define the UI is a standard. Exists many designers of XAML and some for >> XUL languages. Somebody could use that designers for build the UI, and add >> the XML in a spec method on Smalltalk image. We need only a "reader" for >> interpret the XAML code and build the morphic structure (or HTML render >> structure) >> >> >> My conseil is: if we need implement set of widgets and a language for design >> UI is much more recommend base us in the new "way of do", donÂ´t the old. >> >> Regards. >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-new-GUI-visual-designer-tp3067111p3302570.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Aida/Web 6.2 Spring edition is out

by Geert Claes

Great stuff Janko! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Aida-Web-6-2-Spring-edition-is-out-tp3301723p3302… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A new GUI visual designer

by Esteban Lorenzano

I'm sorry but I disagree. XML as a meta-language is old, bad and shit. readable=good xml=really bad (and not-readable either, most of the times... unless you are some kind of cyborg) El 12/02/2011, a las 7:35a.m., nullPointer escribiÃ³: > > My knowledge of Smalltalk/Squeak/Pharo is limited, but I believe somethings. > > 1- I believe Pharo/Squeak needs a different way for "render" the morphs. I > suppose Rome go to that direction. > > 2- A language, human readable, for define the UI. I believe than XAML or > XUL, based on XML, be good examples. And connect the UI to > Controller/Presenter/ViewModel of same way, through bindings, Commands etc > like WPF. > > The code generated for designer of VW or Smalltalk/X donÂ´t readable and > updatable for a human, only for the same designer mechanism. DonÂ´t works of > example. ItÂ´s a OLD way, is a BAD way, is a shit way. > > 3- Implements a set of widgets. That is not difficult I believe. The main > problem is the way of connect that widgets with data. I repeat above, > bindings mechanism from WPF is a good-good example. > Perhaps exists some controls for build... numeric controls with formatable > values, datatime controls, grids (nobody needs a grid control on > Pharo/Smalltalk?? IÂ´m unique? How I can create a enterprise app without > that?) > > 4- Implement the designer. BUT, that step donÂ´t is needed if the language > for define the UI is a standard. Exists many designers of XAML and some for > XUL languages. Somebody could use that designers for build the UI, and add > the XML in a spec method on Smalltalk image. We need only a "reader" for > interpret the XAML code and build the morphic structure (or HTML render > structure) > > > My conseil is: if we need implement set of widgets and a language for design > UI is much more recommend base us in the new "way of do", donÂ´t the old. > > Regards. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-new-GUI-visual-designer-tp3067111p3302570.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3699 in pharo: Beeper beep raises MNU

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #2 on issue 3699 by abarreau...(a)gmail.com: Beeper beep raises MNU http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3699 Little mistake: AbstractSoundSystem class>>beep self new beep

Feb. 12, 2011

[Pharo-project] Issue 3699 in pharo: Beeper beep raises MNU

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Status: New Owner: abarreau...(a)gmail.com New issue 3699 by abarreau...(a)gmail.com: Beeper beep raises MNU http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3699 If you fill an issue for the first time, please read "How to report bugs" at http://www.pharo-project.org/community/issue-tracking Pharo image: PharoCore-1.3-13030.image Pharo core version: Pharo1.3a Latest update: #13047 Steps to reproduce: 1. Beeper beep It raises DummySoundSystem MNU: #beep. Idea: AbstractSoundSystem>>beep self new beep

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3699 in pharo: Beeper beep raises MNU

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: New Comment #1 on issue 3699 by abarreau...(a)gmail.com: Beeper beep raises MNU http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3699 (No comment was entered for this change.)

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson and Squeaksource statistics

by Levente Uzonyi

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I do not think so. Squeaksource was always instable. > Then soon we will have a cool server (in about two or three months). > Now hudson automatic builds are **really** important to us (they are the basis for software engineering practices > with a stress on engineering) so do not spoil our fun, you will not succeed :). Don't be so negative. Where's the positive energy now? ;) Levente > > Now if we see that squeaksource get down more than usual we will see what actions we can take to resolve that. > > Stef > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >>> See www.squeaksource.com: >>> "Most Downloads: Pharo, Seaside, Seaside 3.0, Moose, ..." >>> >>> Side effect of the Hudson builds ;) >> >> Hm, maybe this is the cause of the recent performance problems of squeaksource.com. >> >> >> Levente >> >>> >>> -- >>> GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit >>> gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >>> >>> >> > > >

Feb. 12, 2011