December 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping & OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

by Tudor Girba

Hello gentlemen, Let's loosen up a bit, please :). These are important pieces that nobody wants to see remain behind. But, before we go on, we should first identify the root of these concerns. @Lukas: please, could you point out what are the expected problems? For example, all PetitParser-Tests are green out of the box in the latest 1.4. Cheers, Doru On 11 Dec 2011, at 14:58, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Thanks for this really bad and sad message. > So you are implying that Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, PetitParser > will not be maintained on Pharo 1.4. > > This is important for us to know that and this is a really nice stab in our back and this will kill > a lot of the effort we build over the years. > > Thanks again lukas! > At least this is clear. > > Stef > > On Dec 11, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >>> - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have >>> the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo. >>> Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we will not include it. >> >> Yes please, do not wait for me. >> >> Just to repeat myself: With Pharo 1.4 having uncountable changes in >> core parts of the system and with the system including more and more >> forked and increasingly incompatible versions of packages (AST, RB, >> FS, Shout, Regex, ...) I am unwilling to go through the same pain as >> with Pharo 1.3 again. In the current state, I don't see any of the >> code I am involved with (including Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, >> PetitParser, ...) to move forward. I suspect that moving to another >> development platform soon causes less pain than to move to adopt the >> next Pharo :-( >> >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] small typo on pharo-project.org

by Tudor Girba

Yuppe. My fix got integrated :) Doru On 11 Dec 2011, at 15:03, Marcus Denker wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> My contribution for the month: >> >> http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable-1-4 >> Jenkis should be Jenkins :) >> > > fixed. > > >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "One cannot do more than one can do." >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org > http://www.marcusdenker.de > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Don't give to get. Just give."

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Eclipse Icons for Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Dec 11, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > oops... I forgot your icon importer, sorry :P > > I would like âfor a futureâ to integrate it to pharo and replace current ThemeIcons with an icon strategy based on your package... maybe that is the best "future scenario" for icons. Yes esteban could you evaluate the work of fernando and provide an analysis to see if it makes sense for us to integrate it. Then we build a plan and integrate it. Stef > > best, > Esteban > > El 11/12/2011, a las 8:49a.m., Fernando Olivero escribiÃ³: > >> Hi Esteban, nice work! >> For importing the icons you can use the toolset i've developed: it >> automates completely the process of importing a complete set of icons >> of a given family. >> >> ExternalIconFamily @ squeaksource. >> I've used it for importing the Oxygen icon set, and others (you can >> google the list for previous related emails). >> >> Fernando >> >> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Esteban >>> I know that feeling :) >>> >>> :) >>> Now I'm not sure that I would like to carry the Eclipse License around in Pharo :) >>> What are the other icons sets we could use with a nice license and we do it :). >>> famfam? >>> >>> We should clean also the old icons because some are really old. >>> Thanks for pushing that. I would love to have new icons for Pharo. >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:15 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Today I was bored and not wanting to think too much... but I wanted to do something for Pharo... and I never liked the current Pharo icons, so I took one icon library I really like and changed all needed icons (well... all that I saw). >>>> Here a couple of screen shots: >>>> >>>> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.05.55.png> >>>> <Captura de pantalla 2011-12-10 a la(s) 23.06.20.png> >>>> >>>> Of course, I don't think they are perfect (also maybe I didn't pick the best icons), but I think they look a lot better than the older. >>>> >>>> If you want to see how they look, this are the packages: >>>> >>>> for Pharo 1.3: >>>> >>>> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.2.mcz> >>>> >>>> for Pharo 1.4: >>>> >>>> <Eclipse-Icons-EstebanLorenzano.4.mcz> >>>> >>>> >>>> Then you execute: >>>> >>>> ThemeIcons initializeIcons. >>>> World resetWorldMenu. >>>> >>>> ... and enjoy your new icons :) >>>> >>>> btw... this icons are in an open-source license, the EPL: http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html >>>> so, maybe âif all agreeâ, we can add this icons to regular distribution :) >>>> >>>> best, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.3 vs 1.2.1 some results for ConfigurationOfODBC

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi. Just as a test, would you like to test the attached VM? change xxx with zip. Just make sure odbc libraries are findable by Windows. Cheers On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Fadi Mansour wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm having the same issue while trying to use ODBC with Pharo's OnClick >> image 1.3. >> >> Did you find anything about the issue here? >> >> Regards, >> >> Fadi >> >> >> >> >> >> > I've been offline while attending to a machine rebuild shutdown on a mine > site. I've only just got back today to start having a look at it again. > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping & OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Lukas I really think that you are exaggerating. Now how can we make progress if we do not change Pharo? You were against changing RB, so how can we do remote tooling? Alain fixed a lot of the problems of 1.3. I think that your bad energy will damage us and I'm immensely sad. May be a dead pharo is better for you. Stef >> - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have >> the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo. >> Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we will not include it. > > Yes please, do not wait for me. > > Just to repeat myself: With Pharo 1.4 having uncountable changes in > core parts of the system and with the system including more and more > forked and increasingly incompatible versions of packages (AST, RB, > FS, Shout, Regex, ...) I am unwilling to go through the same pain as > with Pharo 1.3 again. In the current state, I don't see any of the > code I am involved with (including Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, > PetitParser, ...) to move forward. I suspect that moving to another > development platform soon causes less pain than to move to adopt the > next Pharo :-( > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] small typo on pharo-project.org

by Marcus Denker

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > My contribution for the month: > > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/unstable-1-4 > Jenkis should be Jenkins :) > fixed. > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "One cannot do more than one can do." > > > > -- -- Marcus DenkerÂ --Â denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Magma 1.3

by Stephan Eggermont

Hi Chris, Great! I'd love to have someone explain and demo Magma at the FOSDEM2011 devroom (Feb 5, Brussels). You already told me you'd not be available. Anyone else capable & willing to do a presentation? Stephan

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Keymapping & OB conflict (was Re: Chasing Browsers)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks for this really bad and sad message. So you are implying that Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, PetitParser will not be maintained on Pharo 1.4. This is important for us to know that and this is a really nice stab in our back and this will kill a lot of the effort we build over the years. Thanks again lukas! At least this is clear. Stef On Dec 11, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> - then that OB can be loaded on top of Pharo. Remember we are not against OB we just do not have >> the knowledge to maintain it. So if lukas gets OB working for 1.4 beta then we will probably include in Pharo. >> Now if OB is working for 1.4 only three months after 1.4 is released then we will not include it. > > Yes please, do not wait for me. > > Just to repeat myself: With Pharo 1.4 having uncountable changes in > core parts of the system and with the system including more and more > forked and increasingly incompatible versions of packages (AST, RB, > FS, Shout, Regex, ...) I am unwilling to go through the same pain as > with Pharo 1.3 again. In the current state, I don't see any of the > code I am involved with (including Seaside, Magritte, Pier, OB, > PetitParser, ...) to move forward. I suspect that moving to another > development platform soon causes less pain than to move to adopt the > next Pharo :-( > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Do we need the URI Package?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

marcus may be we could rescue some of the comments I wrote on URL/URI because I took me energy to do that and we could paste them in Zinc one. On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hi, > > There are three packages concerned with URLs: > > -> ZnUrl in Zinc > -> Network-URI > -> Network-Url > > URI was a package from Impara that was used extensively in all Impara products and Sophie... back than, > the idea was to integrate Impara infrastructure in Squeak, but that did not happen due to politics... > > Network-URI seems to be used nowhere in the system, so I guess we can remove it? Or is anyone using it? > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Dec. 11, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] Call for Participation in the Smalltalk Devroom at FOSDEM 2012.

by stephane ducasse

Do we really have to register to yet another mailing-list? the pharo people wants to have a slot. We will probably participate to the sprint the day before. > - Their name S.Ducasse, M.Denker, â¦ > - The project they are associated with Pharo http://www.pharo-project.org > - A short bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name S.Ducasse, M.Denker â¦ are core developers of Pharo. http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > - (optionally) a picture of themselves > - The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the booklet) The next steps for the Pharo vision > - A abstract describing the session in further detail. Pharo is slowly but steadily emerging. A more robust and cleaner infrastructure has been put in place In this session we will describe the steps achieved so far in Pharo and the next ones we want to achieve: like having a better FFI, integration process, smaller kernel, new scalable canvas API. In addition we want to give the opportunity to pharoers to ask questions, raise points of discussions. > - The desired length of the session. 55 min > - The desired time slot in which they want to hold the session. 10h-11h > On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Call for Participation in the Smalltalk Devroom at FOSDEM 2012. > > "A devroom for the Pharo, Squeak, GST, EtoilÃ©, > Seaside, Moose Smalltalk projects. Smalltalk environments > offer a very high development productivity, unmatched by > their successors. Come do some pair programming with us > and experience the advantages of a real OO environment." > > The meetup will take place Sunday, February 5, 2012, > from 9AM until 5PM, room AW1.126. This room has 72 seats, > a VGA video projector and wireless internet. > More information will be available later. > > Proposals on content and format are welcome. > > People interested in running a session should announce that > on the smalltalk-devroom mailing list, with the following > information: > > - Their name > - The project they are associated with > - A short bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name > - (optionally) a picture of themselves > - The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the booklet) > - A abstract describing the session in further detail. > - The desired length of the session. > - The desired time slot in which they want to hold the session. > > Suggested values for the duration are 55min, 25min, 6m40 (Pecha Kucha). > The desired time slot is meant to help you prevent conflicts with other dev > rooms in which you might have a talk or your travel arrangements. > > The deadline for submissions is December 31, 23:00 GMT+1. > > Discussion takes place on the > smalltalk-devroom(a)lists.fosdem.org > mailing list. Please subscribe if you are interested: > https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/smalltalk-devroom > > The local VUB/ULB Smalltalkers have been asked to organize > a sprint/BSUG meeting on Saturday Februari 4. > > Devroom related URLs: > http://www.pharo-project.org > http://www.squeak.org/ > http://etoileos.com/ > http://www.seaside.st/ > http://smalltalk.gnu.org/ > > Please distribute > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >

Dec. 11, 2011