December 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Fernando Olivero

Does it load in Pharo1.4? On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: > Doru, nice tool! > > When using it, do you ever go back to a GT system browser? Seems that > one tool such as this, would suffice ..kind of the SELF outliner. > > A breadcrumb would be helpful, to provide some reference when you > start spawning panes to the right. > > Currently since Gaucho is broken (in the middle of the port to > Athens/Cairo), i'm using the standard tools..i definitely will start > using GT now. > > Fernando > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? >> For those that wonder what that is, here is a >> demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk >> This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). >> You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new Â Â Â squeaksource: >> 'glamoroust'; Â package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; Â load.(Smalltalk >> at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: >> #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. >> >> Cheers,Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >>

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Fernando Olivero

Doru, nice tool! When using it, do you ever go back to a GT system browser? Seems that one tool such as this, would suffice ..kind of the SELF outliner. A breadcrumb would be helpful, to provide some reference when you start spawning panes to the right. Currently since Gaucho is broken (in the middle of the port to Athens/Cairo), i'm using the standard tools..i definitely will start using GT now. Fernando On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? > For those that wonder what that is, here is a > demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk > This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). > You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new Â Â Â squeaksource: > 'glamoroust'; Â package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; Â load.(Smalltalk > at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: > #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. > > Cheers,Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Dec. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? For those that wonder what that is, here is a demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load.(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. Cheers,Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] gtinspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? For those that wonder what that is, here is a demo: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by: Gofer new squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load.(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] MacRuby Cocoa UIs

by Fernando Olivero

nice! I was about to play with a similar approach using Cocoa. Did you try with more complex examples? i would like to understand if HTTP would be fast enough as an IPC, between the UI and a Pharo headless vm. Fernando On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > For a while, I've been thinking about using MacRuby for native UIs and > multiple windows in Pharo on the Mac. I uploaded a proof of concept to > https://github.com/seandenigris/PharoMacRubyTest . It has a simple Cocoa UI > that uses http to get a value (the current time) from a running Pharo image > and displays it in a text field. > > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MacRuby-Cocoa-UIs-tp4220336p4220336.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens and Cairo, first baby steps

by Fernando Olivero

Igor, what does newSurface: do?, in the context of Cairo. How do you render the contents of the Cairo surface to the Display? Or are you using the writeToPng->readFromPng to Form->Display Form mechanism. I was planning to use, NBCairoSurface>>getData:, which returns a pointer to the data, and simply update the Display contents with the surface's data. Fernando On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:09 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Alex normally you will just use athens and you will get a zoomable canvas :). > So mondrian should not use Cairo (just athens. Athens defines an API and you will be able to have multiple back ends > and your code should run the same on cairo or balloon (may be degraded in balloon). but your code will not be different. > > Stef > >> Your work is truly important! >> I plan in the long term to make Mondrian and Roassal use Cairo. This has been on my todo list for quite some time already... >> >> Alexandre >> >> On 20 Dec 2011, at 14:56, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> We binding an Athens API for Cairo library. It fits pretty well as a >>> backend to API. >>> >>> Today i got some basics working. >>> Mostly, the functionality covered by: >>> >>> AthensCairoSurfaceExamples example1 >>> and >>> AthensCairoSurfaceExamples example2 >>> >>> which drawing nothing fancy but just rectangle(s) with solid color. >>> >>> example2 >>> " >>> self example2 >>> " >>> >>> Â Â Â | surf | >>> >>> Â Â Â surf := self newSurface: 100@100. >>> >>> Â Â Â surf drawDuring: [:can | >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â surf clear. >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â can setPaint: Color blue. >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â can drawShape: ( >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â can createPath: [:path | >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â path >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â absolute; >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â lineTo: 50@0; >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â lineTo: 50@50; >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â lineTo: 0@50 >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ]) >>> >>> Â Â Â ]. >>> >>> Â Â Â Display getCanvas drawImage: Â Â surf asForm Â at: 0@0 >>> >>> >>> P.S. Stef says that Athens API is quite cool :) >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> <Screen Shot 2011-12-20 at 6.56.22 PM.png><Screen Shot 2011-12-20 at 6.57.04 PM.png> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] decoupling the vm: UI and interpretation

by Fernando Olivero

YES!,the current VM was devised on 90's, maybe its time to alter it a bit now.. Esteban, in your opinion would this be feasible, in decent amount of time? Moving Display to a separate plugin. Yet remains a question, how would the "UI-pluggable VM" talk with the headless vm. I will implement a proof of concept, using some kind of IPC (for the MAc), so we can measure the responsiveness of such scheme. Fernando On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wanting the same long time :) > > Having a VM which handling a platform-specific nuances and providing a > uniform interface > to language side is a great advantage. > But of course it not comes without drawbacks: you have a minimal > common functionality, > provided over all supported platforms. > > It would be cool to change the situation. > A first step would be to make a Display/events primitives optional > (move them into a separate plugin, > outside of core VM). > Like that a "default" VM without such plugin will be headless without > obligation to support graphical user interface. > The next step is, like you said, think about how to encode events > without losing flexibility and pass them to language side. > > On 20 December 2011 13:12, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: >> Ok, i'm in favor of having everything in smalltalk too. >> >> The problem i have is the following: Â i want to change Â "how" the VM >> should announce events "were" the vm should draw >> >> Regarding the "were", currently the VM has a primitive from which you >> can specify which Form will act as the Display. But what if i want to >> render to something else than a form? >> Esteban: how does the COCOA VM draw the Display? Does it create a >> NSWindow, with a custom view, which copies the bits from the Display >> Form, into a drawing context (Quartz? OpenGL?). >> >> If we are moving towards a vectorial framework( AthensCanvas rendering >> to OpenGL or Cairo), we dont need to hardcode a "Display" a primitive >> in the vm. there's no need for such primitive. >> We just need access to the drawing context of the Pharo window, and >> render whatever we want there. >> >> We need the following: (using COCOA as an example) >> an OS window =>NSWindow >> with a custom view ==> subclass of NSView >> that creates a Cairo surface to a quartz backend, from which in the >> image side i can tell the AthensCanvas to draw into. >> >> For the event part, i should directly change the platform specific >> code for the Cocoa VM's? >> Cocoa provides higher level events and the VM is encoding them into >> Arrays, that in the image are decoded back into high level events ( >> see HandMorph>>generateEvt:from:). Which makes it hard to add new kind >> of events, specifically those originated from the trackpad (pinch, >> swipe, etc). (another BIG Â problem is that Â currently, all the VMs >> arent encoding EXACTLY the same OS events into the VM Arrays of >> events). I would like to play with the OS event encoding/decoding, to >> not loose so much in the translation. >> >> Please let me know wether i explained myself clearly, i'm still in the >> process of understanding how to detach the VM from the Bitmapped >> forms. >> >> Fernando >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> El 20/12/2011, a las 7:30a.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: >>>> >>>> I think what would be easier is to make a language side to handle everything. >>>> Unfortunately in practice this means moving substantial parts implemented in C >>>> and putting in smalltalk. >>> >>> +1 >>> It takes time... but in the long way is the best approach, I think. >>> >>>> I also don't see how separating it into 2 processes make things easier. >>>> I think it will complicate things even more, because now you will need to >>>> invent own communication schemes , which is also platform specific. >>>> And possibly it will work slower because of IPC overhead. >>> >>> They are not easier... but can be better for applications. That's the "default" behavior for mac and that's the reason why you usually don't have UI freezes while doing stuff (of course, not all applications -nor our vm, I changed it to single process- Â works that way... because is harder to maintain) >>> >>> best, >>> Esteban >>> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Zinc (bug?) - multiple default servers

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Sean, On 21 Dec 2011, at 04:40, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > If you evaluate "ZnServer startDefaultOn: aPortNumber" several times, you end > up with that many instances of the default server class. Is that the > intended behavior? #default usually = singleton, so I expected all the calls > to operate on the same instance. ZnServer>>#defaultOn: aNumber "Create a new Default instance on a given port, stopping any previously running Default and replacing it. Register the new instance." Default ifNotNil: [ Default stop ]. ^ Default := (self on: aNumber) register; yourself Hmm, I never looked at it that way, but now that you mention it, a clearer singleton behavior might make more sense. Note that in any case, only one instance was running. But it might make more sense to really maintain a singleton, the comments should be adapted as well. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Regards, Sven

Dec. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] Zinc (bug?) - multiple default servers

by Sean P. DeNigris

If you evaluate "ZnServer startDefaultOn: aPortNumber" several times, you end up with that many instances of the default server class. Is that the intended behavior? #default usually = singleton, so I expected all the calls to operate on the same instance. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Zinc-bug-multiple-default-servers-tp4220409p4220409.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] MacRuby Cocoa UIs

by Sean P. DeNigris

For a while, I've been thinking about using MacRuby for native UIs and multiple windows in Pharo on the Mac. I uploaded a proof of concept to https://github.com/seandenigris/PharoMacRubyTest . It has a simple Cocoa UI that uses http to get a value (the current time) from a running Pharo image and displays it in a text field. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MacRuby-Cocoa-UIs-tp4220336p4220336.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 21, 2011