December 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, It does not load in 1.4 yet. We are still working hard to release Moose 4.6 on Pharo 1.3. Once that is out of the door, we move to 1.4. I gave it a try today and it seems that there is at least a loading problem due to something in RPackage which is a prerequisite. But, I did not get a chance to investigate further. Cheers, Doru On 21 Dec 2011, at 09:16, Fernando Olivero wrote: > Does it load in Pharo1.4? > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Fernando Olivero > <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: >> Doru, nice tool! >> >> When using it, do you ever go back to a GT system browser? Seems that >> one tool such as this, would suffice ..kind of the SELF outliner. >> >> A breadcrumb would be helpful, to provide some reference when you >> start spawning panes to the right. >> >> Currently since Gaucho is broken (in the middle of the port to >> Athens/Cairo), i'm using the standard tools..i definitely will start >> using GT now. >> >> Fernando >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? >>> For those that wonder what that is, here is a >>> demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk >>> This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). >>> You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new squeaksource: >>> 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load.(Smalltalk >>> at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: >>> #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. >>> >>> Cheers,Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On 21 Dec 2011, at 09:16, Fernando Olivero wrote: > Doru, nice tool! > > When using it, do you ever go back to a GT system browser? Seems that > one tool such as this, would suffice ..kind of the SELF outliner. :). I do. This browser works well for objects, but for managing source code there is no particular workflow supported. At least not yet. > A breadcrumb would be helpful, to provide some reference when you > start spawning panes to the right. What would you put in the breadcrumb, given that we can talk about any object? > Currently since Gaucho is broken (in the middle of the port to > Athens/Cairo), i'm using the standard tools..i definitely will start > using GT now. Great :). Cheers, Doru > Fernando > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? >> For those that wonder what that is, here is a >> demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk >> This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). >> You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new squeaksource: >> 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load.(Smalltalk >> at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: >> #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. >> >> Cheers,Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] gtinspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On 21 Dec 2011, at 12:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? > > I used to use it for my images. And it was pretty nice. Problem was the amount of dependencies it had, the time it took me to install it, and moreover, that since it depends on several dependencies it was always complicated to successfully install it. Apart from that, I really like it. Thanks. What do you mean by complicated to install it? Where did you encounter problems? Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Scat - Public Release and announcement

by Ralph Boland

Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca@...> writes: > > > Hi list, > > Joan GÃ¼ell and I have been working onÂ Scat -the Scratch port to Pharo-Â quite a lot recently.Â We wanted to push it to a point where we could release the first reasonably working version, which we've just managed today. > > > Please take a look at the release announcementÂ (which should be read in a bit of a humorous tone), in which we explain what's up with the project and what future is left for it. > > > > For the tl;dr version, please read: > > > Many things are working, many aren't, but the state of the project allows us to move into more interesting stuff based on the graphic programming metaphor. > > Scat is a time-consuming, brain-smashing, life sucking-project. > We no longer will be maintaining this massive unmaintainable code. > Suddenly: free time for other projects! > > > Cheers everyone! > > -- Bernat Romagosa. > > I do not wish to take over the Scat project but I am interested in helping bringing it forward. My interest is in only a portion of Scat. As an example of what I want to do consider the "Enchanting" project that uses Scratch to program the Legos Mindstorms toy robot. Enchanting uses a major portion of Scratch but some of the interface is replaced by the interface needed by Enchanting. I am interested in refactoring Scratch (now Scat) so that projects such as Enchanting can use the lower level stuff it needs but add its own stuff, particularly the GUI part. This is what I will need to do for the projects, not add things on top of Scratch (Scat) but on top of (say) 80% of Scat. I have my own projects that I want to do someday that would similarly be built on top of a portion of Scat. Ideally I would like someone or some group to take over Scat who could oversee work that we could agree that I can do and ideally that work would relate to the part of Scat I am interested in. So can you place my name as a contact person by anyone taking over Scat. Lastly I encourage changing the name of Scat. Sincerely, Ralph Boland

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I'm means: "it should be version 6.0, but I'm still not confortable declaring it a production version"... so is a "pre-release". :P and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering: 1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least) I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno. And I don't know how can be merged anytime soon... :( best, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 7:28p.m., Francois Stephany escribiÃ³: > Hi Esteban, > > Looks nice ! > I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot). > > I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers. > > > > On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here: >> >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulB… >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >> >>> I do not know how to update the web site. >>> Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>>> yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. >>>> Maybe we should update pharo site. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >>>> >>>>> thanks johan >>>>> >>>>> doing what? >>>>> on which platform? mac? >>>>> Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes? >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦ >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> <crash.dmp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > http://tulipemoutarde.be > BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 > CA: +1 778 558 3225 >

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307

by Francois Stephany

The 'about' window tells me a bit more: "Pharo VM 6.0-pre (21.0)" On 21/12/11 14:28, Francois Stephany wrote: > Hi Esteban, > > Looks nice ! > I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see > screenshot). > > I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers. > > > > On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with >> pharo icons :) is here: >> >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulB… >> >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >> >>> I do not know how to update the web site. >>> Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the >>> forge and link to it. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>>> yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. >>>> Maybe we should update pharo site. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >>>> >>>>> thanks johan >>>>> >>>>> doing what? >>>>> on which platform? mac? >>>>> Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged >>>>> changes? >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's >>>>>> downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few >>>>>> crashes) for many months. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from >>>>>> the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing >>>>>> continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site >>>>>> (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦ >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> <crash.dmp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307

by Francois Stephany

Hi Esteban, Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot). I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers. On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here: > > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulB… > > cheers, > Esteban > > El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > >> I do not know how to update the web site. >> Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it. >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>> yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. >>> Maybe we should update pharo site. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Esteban >>> >>> El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >>> >>>> thanks johan >>>> >>>> doing what? >>>> on which platform? mac? >>>> Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months. >>>>> >>>>> Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email. >>>>> >>>>> Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes. >>>>> >>>>> If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦ >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Johan >>>>> >>>>> <crash.dmp> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307

by Esteban Lorenzano

El 21/12/2011, a las 6:59p.m., Sven Van Caekenberghe escribiÃ³: > > On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here: >> >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulB… >> >> cheers, >> Esteban glad you like it :) > > Beautiful ! > > Finally ;-) > > I just changed the bundle name to plain 'Pharo' in the plist to match the executable's name (I didn't like the long 'Pharo (Cocoa) 32-bits' ;-) yeah... I should do that for next version :) best, Esteban

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] gt inspector

by Francois Stephany

You've added +10mins to my image building process with all those dependencies! But it's very helpful, thanks :) Francois On 21/12/11 00:01, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > Just out of curiosity: Does any of you use the GTInspector? > For those that wonder what that is, here is a > demo:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/glamorous-inspector-for-smalltalk > This is available in any recent Moose image mapped as Explorer (CMD+I). > You can load it in a Pharo 1.3 image by:Gofer new squeaksource: > 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load.(Smalltalk > at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) loadDefault.(Smalltalk at: > #GTInspector) registerToolsOn: Smalltalk tools. > > Cheers,Doru > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225

Dec. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:59, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Beautiful ! And Mac OS X Lion compliant full screen !! Whoho ! It must be Christmas.

Dec. 21, 2011