November 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Slides Pharo talk Smalltalks

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I should release my annotated version because it explains the vision behind each itemâ¦ Should fish it. On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 08 Nov 2011, at 18:25, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> Here are the Slides of the Pharo talk at Smalltalks2011: >> >> PDF: http://www.marcusdenker.de/talks/11Smalltalks/2011-Smalltalks-Denker-Pharo.… >> SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo-one-year-later >> >> All talks where filmed, so there will be a video later at http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2011 > > Beautiful and cool slides, as always, Marcus. > > Yes the Pharo community did a lot of work this passed year, and the future looks really exciting ! > > It feels good to be part of this. > > Thx for sharing. > > Sven > > > >

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading Projects

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We should have a metacello browser and just to click on a project and it should load because it should be certified to load by jenkins. :) On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > From the user list (http://forum.world.st/GlorpDBX-td3932313.html) > > Jonathan Kelly wrote: >> >> feeling particularly stupid right now. Been trying to get Xxx >> working... for the last 2 hours and I'm busted. It took me >> about an out just to find out how to load and configure things. ugh. It >> took me a while to work out I had to actually install... >> > > Let's make sure we never leave users with this experience. How do we create > a seamless loading experience for people that have not been keenly following > the Metacello & Pharo lists for the last year? If I downloaded Pharo today, > where's the central access point I would go to load something? Things seem > scattered - Metacello configurations can all be found in > MetacelloRepository... unless they are with their projects... or both, with > one or the other out of date. Loading scripts are often posted to the list, > but do they ever get captured into a configuration? > > It's embarrassing, but I didn't even know about Metacello's Toolboox API > unless I read the beta chapter from PBE2 yesterday - I thought configs all > had to be coded by hand! - so I never quite "had the time". :) do you have english mistakes? because imagine that we write in a foreign language all the time and this is slowing us :) and we feel like idiots most of the time. > What can we create to tighten up this process and empower (especially new) > users? Yes with a repository by distribution and a browser showing the configurationOf of the published projects. Stef > > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-Projects-tp4016416p4016416.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] systemChangeNotifier and protocols

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

have a look at SystemAnnouncement and their tests in 1.4. We should bullet proof them. Stef > Thanks Stef. > I expect help you on announcements, it's really necessary. > > > 2011/11/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > not from the top of my head. > Now I guess you know why we are working (help needed) on SystemAnnouncement to replace changeNotifier with announcement. > > Stef > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:58 PM, DeNigris Sean wrote: > > > From ezequiel lamonica Nov 07, 2011; 10:22am > >> Hello everybody, > >> > >> I'm trying to find some message in the SystemChangeNotifier to recognize a new protocol added. > >> > >> I see this instance method in ClassOrganizer: > >> > >> notifyOfChangedCategoriesFrom: oldCollectionOrNil to: newCollectionOrNil > >> > >> (self hasSubject and: [oldCollectionOrNil ~= newCollectionOrNil]) > >> ifTrue: [SystemChangeNotifier uniqueInstance classReorganized: self subject]. > >> > >> But, I don't see when the SystemChangeNotifier handles the new protocol and how added it. > >> > >> Any help? > > > > >

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Strange behavior of Symbol

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

In fact I would not change it because it can probably break the system during the next decade. We should just avoid to have 'kjhjkh', anObject and other ugly practices to get added in the system Stef On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > Am 08.11.2011 um 14:54 schrieb Henrik Sperre Johansen: > >> On 08.11.2011 14:44, Benjamin wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> during my experimentations, I found out that >>> >>> #plop = 'plop' --> true >>> >>> no matter what the symbol and his textual representation are. >>> >>> >>> Is that expected ? >>> >>> >>> Ben >>> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=331 >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> > Arrrgghh, this issue starts so well and ends so badly :) Ok, if I take the last words from Marcus/Stephane than I suggest to change e.g. > > SequenceableCollection>>= otherCollection > ... > self == otherCollection ifTrue: [^ true]. > self species == otherCollection species ifFalse: [^ false]. > ^ self hasEqualElements: otherCollection > > to > > SequenceableCollection>>= otherCollection > ... > self == otherCollection ifTrue: [^ true]. > ^ self hasEqualElements: otherCollection > > Would be nice and cozy without the rubbish species check :) > > Norbert > >

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slides Pharo talk Smalltalks

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote: > > Here are the Slides of the Pharo talk at Smalltalks2011: > It's so exciting to see all the current and future advances listed together - what momentum! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Slides-Pharo-talk-Smalltalks-tp4016805p4017303.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slides Pharo talk Smalltalks

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 08 Nov 2011, at 18:25, Marcus Denker wrote: > Here are the Slides of the Pharo talk at Smalltalks2011: > > PDF: http://www.marcusdenker.de/talks/11Smalltalks/2011-Smalltalks-Denker-Pharo.… > SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo-one-year-later > > All talks where filmed, so there will be a video later at http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2011 Beautiful and cool slides, as always, Marcus. Yes the Pharo community did a lot of work this passed year, and the future looks really exciting ! It feels good to be part of this. Thx for sharing. Sven

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Task List

by Gary Chambers

Naturally it works on Windows see http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6005 for other comments. If the tasklist disappears on Mac then at some point then Sensor commandKeyPressed is returning false. I encourage your efforts that must, eventually come down to homogenising the VM keyboard handling. (see recent issues of Ctrl+ keys etc.) Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> To: <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Task List > > Sean P. DeNigris wrote: >> >> when a modifier key is pressed (cmd, option, ctrl), >> InputEventSensor>>handleEvent: receives mouse events > > In fact, as you can see below, letting up on the Cmd key is > indistinguishable from moving the mouse > #(1 3182055 1073 411 0 0 0 1) "mouse move event buffer" > #(1 3183695 1073 411 0 8 0 1) "Cmd pressed event buffer" > #(1 3183768 1073 411 0 0 0 1) "Cmd unpressed event buffer" > > Sean > > b.t.w. I'm using the Cog Carbon Jit vm from Jenkins with Pharo 1.3 rc > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Task-List-tp4014056p4014193.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Nov. 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] Slides Pharo talk Smalltalks

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Here are the Slides of the Pharo talk at Smalltalks2011: PDF: http://www.marcusdenker.de/talks/11Smalltalks/2011-Smalltalks-Denker-Pharo.… SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo-one-year-later All talks where filmed, so there will be a video later at http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2011 greeting from Chile, Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading Projects

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Pat Maddox wrote: > > We need a wiki. The documentation and PBE are really good, but the authors have limited time to manage them, and only focus on the things that they deem important. Which is entirely fair. But there are is tons of tacit knowledge in the Pharo community that should be organized and made explicit. Wikis are great for that, enabling anyone to add content and to organize it over time. There is this, too: http://book.pharo-project.org/ which I always forget about... -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading Projects

by Pat Maddox

On Nov 8, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > From the user list (http://forum.world.st/GlorpDBX-td3932313.html) > > Jonathan Kelly wrote: >> >> feeling particularly stupid right now. Been trying to get Xxx >> working... for the last 2 hours and I'm busted. It took me >> about an out just to find out how to load and configure things. ugh. It >> took me a while to work out I had to actually install... >> > > Let's make sure we never leave users with this experience. How do we create > a seamless loading experience for people that have not been keenly following > the Metacello & Pharo lists for the last year? If I downloaded Pharo today, > where's the central access point I would go to load something? Things seem > scattered - Metacello configurations can all be found in > MetacelloRepository... unless they are with their projects... or both, with > one or the other out of date. Loading scripts are often posted to the list, > but do they ever get captured into a configuration? > > It's embarrassing, but I didn't even know about Metacello's Toolboox API > unless I read the beta chapter from PBE2 yesterday - I thought configs all > had to be coded by hand! - so I never quite "had the time". > > What can we create to tighten up this process and empower (especially new) > users? We need a wiki. The documentation and PBE are really good, but the authors have limited time to manage them, and only focus on the things that they deem important. Which is entirely fair. But there are is tons of tacit knowledge in the Pharo community that should be organized and made explicit. Wikis are great for that, enabling anyone to add content and to organize it over time. Pat

Nov. 8, 2011