November 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Guido Stepken

Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release. Ok? Guido Stepken Am 15.11.2011 um 05:11 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > On 15 November 2011 06:03, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: >> Em 15/11/2011 01:48, Guido Stepken < gstepken(a)googlemail.com > escreveu: >>>> Guido, what is your problem with Pharo? If you don't like it, >>> nobody forcing you to use it. >>> Nobody forces me. >>> > If you want to use it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, >>> feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. >>> I'm not trolling. I am tester. It usually takes ... hmmm ... 10 >>> Minutes of klicking around a bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it >>> happened 2 days ago, all patches applied. >> >> Guido, >> >> Your post above can be analysed in several ways. I'll concede for start that Igor's first impression /might/ be wrong and your assertion "I'm not trolling." is sincere. >> >> However, the rest of the post evaluates to the following: If you really believe in your second affirmation "I am tester." there are some possible explanations: >> >> 1) You're delusional about your testing skills and need to improve them, learning how to give us reproducible examples with accurate reports so your "tests" mean something; or >> >> 2) You keep poking the mouse at the world area of a Pharo launched image and when you get bored you declare "a freeze" and come here to tease us. >> >> For the first I'd advise you to learn to do tests which are actionable and post your results here. For the second, make a self assessment on what is the contribution for Pharo, or the craft of programming of your present behaviour in this list. >> >> > > There's one more option: Yes, Guido is tester. But his test subject(s) > is not a software but us, or our reaction. This is the only conclusion > which i can draw by reading his posts which doesn't leads to > contradiction. > :) > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Igor Stasenko

On 15 November 2011 06:03, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > Em 15/11/2011 01:48, Guido Stepken < gstepken(a)googlemail.com > escreveu: >> > Guido, Â what is Â your problem Â with Pharo? If Â you don't Â like it, >> nobody forcing you to use it. >> Â Nobody forces me. >> Â > If you want to use Â it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, >> feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. >> Â I'm not Â trolling. I am Â tester. It usually Â takes ... hmmm Â ... 10 >> Minutes of klicking around a Â bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it >> happened 2 days ago, all patches applied. > > Guido, > > Your post above can be analysed in several ways. I'll concede for start that Igor's first impression /might/ be wrong and your assertion "I'm not trolling." Â is sincere. > > However, the rest of the post evaluates to the following: If you really believe in your second affirmation "I am Â tester." there are some possible explanations: > > 1) You're delusional about your testing skills and need to improve them, learning how to give us reproducible examples with accurate reports so your "tests" mean something; or > > 2) You keep poking the mouse at the world area of a Pharo launched image and when you get bored you declare "a freeze" and come here to tease us. > > For the first I'd advise you to learn to do tests which are actionable and post your results here. For the second, make a self assessment on what is the contribution for Pharo, or the craft of programming of your present behaviour in this list. > > There's one more option: Yes, Guido is tester. But his test subject(s) is not a software but us, or our reaction. This is the only conclusion which i can draw by reading his posts which doesn't leads to contradiction. :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Em 15/11/2011 01:48, Guido Stepken < gstepken(a)googlemail.com > escreveu: > > Guido, what is your problem with Pharo? If you don't like it, > nobody forcing you to use it. > Nobody forces me. > > If you want to use it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, > feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. > I'm not trolling. I am tester. It usually takes ... hmmm ... 10 > Minutes of klicking around a bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it > happened 2 days ago, all patches applied. Guido, Your post above can be analysed in several ways. I'll concede for start that Igor's first impression /might/ be wrong and your assertion "I'm not trolling." is sincere. However, the rest of the post evaluates to the following: If you really believe in your second affirmation "I am tester." there are some possible explanations: 1) You're delusional about your testing skills and need to improve them, learning how to give us reproducible examples with accurate reports so your "tests" mean something; or 2) You keep poking the mouse at the world area of a Pharo launched image and when you get bored you declare "a freeze" and come here to tease us. For the first I'd advise you to learn to do tests which are actionable and post your results here. For the second, make a self assessment on what is the contribution for Pharo, or the craft of programming of your present behaviour in this list.

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Guido Stepken

> Guido, what is your problem with Pharo? If you don't like it, nobody forcing you to use it. Nobody forces me. > If you want to use it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. I'm not trolling. I am tester. It usually takes ... hmmm ... 10 Minutes of klicking around a bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it happened 2 days ago, all patches applied. Have fun, Guido Stepken

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Sean Allen

> > > > > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images > > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring. > > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone > through > > this and fixed it. > > > > > > Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS > version etc. > > Mac OS X 10.6.8 I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks. 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago ) and both have the issue. I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying installing a new one to see if that helps.

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Igor Stasenko

On 15 November 2011 05:02, Sean Allen <sean(a)monkeysnatchbanana.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com> > wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I opened an old 1.2.1 image and text input was incredibly slow. >> > >> > I tried the latest one click and text input is very slow and jerky. >> > >> > Has anyone else ever experienced something like this on a Mac? >> > Its really frustrating. Every pharo image I have is seemingly unusable. >> >> Never say such things about Pharo here!!! Be aware of ProfStef. Too much >> bad energy! Think positive. Say: "Pharo is brilliant, maybe sometimes a bit >> slow!" >> >> Ok? Guido, what is your problem with Pharo? If you don't like it, nobody forcing you to use it. If you want to use it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring. > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through > this and fixed it. > > Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS version etc. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Guido Stepken

How should they notice? At 2 Gigaherz CPU power even the worst and totally messed up code seems to run fine!!! :-) And when they build up simple web servers with seaside on pharo, they use to use 5 Images on three machines with a load balancer in between and a "wakeup daemon" for the case, that one or more pharo images die a sudden death due to "overload at perhaps 50 simultaneous clients" This is modern software engineering! Have fun! Guido Stepken Am 15.11.2011 um 04:02 schrieb Sean Allen <sean(a)monkeysnatchbanana.com>: > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I opened an old 1.2.1 image and text input was incredibly slow. > > > > I tried the latest one click and text input is very slow and jerky. > > > > Has anyone else ever experienced something like this on a Mac? > > Its really frustrating. Every pharo image I have is seemingly unusable. > > Never say such things about Pharo here!!! Be aware of ProfStef. Too much bad energy! Think positive. Say: "Pharo is brilliant, maybe sometimes a bit slow!" > > Ok? > > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring. > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through this and fixed it. > >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] gsub like solution for Pharo/Smalltalk

by mail list

Nicolas, Thanks. Verbose is fine. I will give your suggestion a try. I also commented on fernando's email below. S. On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:26 AM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > It might seem a bit verbose, but your example translates as > > aDictionary associations inject: string into: [:subst :assoc | assoc > key asRegex copy: subst replacingMatchesWith: assoc value]. > > Nicolas > > 2011/11/14 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>: >> I dont fully understand your question, also i have no idea what #gsub does. gsub does a global search and replace in the string to replace any elements with the replacement text. mystring:='hello there hello' eg myString.gsub('hello','goodbye') ===> 'goodbye there goodbye' S. >> >> do you start from a dictionary ? or a string ? it seems that you want >> to create a dictionary from a particular string. >> >> Could you provide an example of such string, i could help you in >> finding the correct messages of String/Stream to send. >> >> The #gsub message, seems pertinent to all Strings? or is a special >> behavior for your special case? >> >> >> Fernando >> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: >>> >>> On 14 Nov 2011, at 08:25, mail list wrote: >>> >>>> I have a dictionary of keys and values. >>>> >>>> I have a text string in which the keys are marked with before and ending symbols. >>>> >>>> In ruby to replace the key with the value in the text string is reasonably simple. (eg Dictionary.each { key,value | string.gsub!(key,value) } - or similar to this. >>>> >>>> While I don't mind rolling my version of this in Smalltalk, just exploring the regex code and the streams code it is not obvious where is the easiest place to start. >>>> >>>> If someone would put their comments on where to start I will build the functionality and put it up on squeaksource since I think it is common requirement. >>>> >>>> S. >>> >>> There is String>>#format: but there are probably other options as well. >>> >>> Sven >>> >> >> >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Sean Allen

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Guido Stepken <gstepken(a)googlemail.com>wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I opened an old 1.2.1 image and text input was incredibly slow. > > > > I tried the latest one click and text input is very slow and jerky. > > > > Has anyone else ever experienced something like this on a Mac? > > Its really frustrating. Every pharo image I have is seemingly unusable. > > Never say such things about Pharo here!!! Be aware of ProfStef. Too much > bad energy! Think positive. Say: "Pharo is brilliant, maybe sometimes a bit > slow!" > > Ok? > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring. Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through this and fixed it.

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Guido Stepken

> Hi all, > > I opened an old 1.2.1 image and text input was incredibly slow. > > I tried the latest one click and text input is very slow and jerky. > > Has anyone else ever experienced something like this on a Mac? > Its really frustrating. Every pharo image I have is seemingly unusable. Never say such things about Pharo here!!! Be aware of ProfStef. Too much bad energy! Think positive. Say: "Pharo is brilliant, maybe sometimes a bit slow!" Ok?

Nov. 15, 2011