November 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 15 Nov 2011, at 11:28, Max Leske wrote: > Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? We're supposed to be a community and to work together. Obviously not everyone can share everyone elses oppinions but that doesn't mean that we have to start flaming each other like script kiddiesâ¦ > > Please let Pharo be a friendly place to live. The Pharo community _is_ a very friendly place and we _do_ work together just fine. But one cannot enter any community with a aggressive, negative attitude, let alone an open-source community run volunteers. It was a provocation and we should best just ignore it. Sven

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Guido Stepken

Nobody likes the man who brings bad news. Sophocles, Antigone, Greek tragic dramatist (496 BC - 406 BC) Am 15.11.2011 um 11:35 schrieb Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Max Leske wrote: > >> Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? > > Guido Stepken is the reason. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Max Leske wrote: > Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? Guido Stepken is the reason. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Max Leske

Guys, seriously! What's with all the negativity lately?? We're supposed to be a community and to work together. Obviously not everyone can share everyone elses oppinions but that doesn't mean that we have to start flaming each other like script kiddiesâ¦ Please let Pharo be a friendly place to live. Max On 15.11.2011, at 11:22, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: > >> Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. >> >> So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release. >> >> Ok? >> > > Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: > Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. > > So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release. > > Ok? > Yes. And please unsubsribe from this list while waiting. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 15, 2011

[Pharo-project] changing a method on an image file without loading the image

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Hi, my image got broken and I think I know (thanks to the dump) what I should change. But it won't load so I need to modify the image file from the outside world. Is there any way? Cheers, Javier. -- Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Norbert Hartl

Am 15.11.2011 um 04:39 schrieb Sean Allen: > > > > This is new. This wasn't happening before. This is happening with images > > that were fine the last time I opened them in the spring. > > Something is messed up on my machine. Hoping someone else has gone through > > this and fixed it. > > > > > > Can you provide more details? What is VM version you using, what is OS > version etc. > > > Mac OS X 10.6.8 > > I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks. > > 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago ) > > and both have the issue. > > I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying installing a new one to see if that helps. > Sean, do you have another machine handy? In this cases it might be a good idea to make a quick check with the same image on another machine. Norbert

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Norbert Hartl

Am 15.11.2011 um 05:30 schrieb Guido Stepken: > Hey, it's much simpler. I install, i look around what is new, has changed, and the Pharo dies. VM freezes, virtual machine crashes, whatever. > > So i simply uninstall and wait patiently for the next release. > > Ok? > It is ok for you. For everyone that would like to use pharo would do it in a more systematic way. The person would probably tell which VM version he uses, which image he downloaded, what he really did and especially what he did when the problem ocurred. And the person would be able to tell if it was a freeze or a crash. As you are not after problem solving but after nagging it seems to work quite ok. Norbert > Guido Stepken > > Am 15.11.2011 um 05:11 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > >> On 15 November 2011 06:03, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: >>> Em 15/11/2011 01:48, Guido Stepken < gstepken(a)googlemail.com > escreveu: >>>>> Guido, what is your problem with Pharo? If you don't like it, >>>> nobody forcing you to use it. >>>> Nobody forces me. >>>>> If you want to use it, but it doesn't meets your high standards, >>>> feel free to help improve it. Trolling won't change anything. >>>> I'm not trolling. I am tester. It usually takes ... hmmm ... 10 >>>> Minutes of klicking around a bit, until Pharo freezes. Last time it >>>> happened 2 days ago, all patches applied. >>> >>> Guido, >>> >>> Your post above can be analysed in several ways. I'll concede for start that Igor's first impression /might/ be wrong and your assertion "I'm not trolling." is sincere. >>> >>> However, the rest of the post evaluates to the following: If you really believe in your second affirmation "I am tester." there are some possible explanations: >>> >>> 1) You're delusional about your testing skills and need to improve them, learning how to give us reproducible examples with accurate reports so your "tests" mean something; or >>> >>> 2) You keep poking the mouse at the world area of a Pharo launched image and when you get bored you declare "a freeze" and come here to tease us. >>> >>> For the first I'd advise you to learn to do tests which are actionable and post your results here. For the second, make a self assessment on what is the contribution for Pharo, or the craft of programming of your present behaviour in this list. >>> >>> >> >> There's one more option: Yes, Guido is tester. But his test subject(s) >> is not a software but us, or our reaction. This is the only conclusion >> which i can draw by reading his posts which doesn't leads to >> contradiction. >> :) >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >

Nov. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Slow text input?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Sean, On 15 Nov 2011, at 04:39, Sean Allen wrote: > Mac OS X 10.6.8 > > I deleted the vm I had. Tried various one clicks. > > 1.2.1 & latest 1.3 ( downloaded an hour ago ) > > and both have the issue. > > I deleted the vm I had for non one click images and am going to trying installing a new one to see if that helps. This is _definitively_ not normal, many Pharo developers are on Mac, using it all day long, this would unbearable for any of us. This must be a local problem. Do you have a chance to try this on some other mac so that you have a reference for yourself ? Sven

Nov. 15, 2011

[Pharo-project] Prematurely ending document on purpose with the SAXParser

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Since XML-Parser-JAAyer.50 the SAXDriver doesn't check anymore for #checkEOD in the #handle methods, have you removed eod iVar for performance reasons? I need it because I have a very large XML and I want to be able to parse some "header" nodes without parsing the entire XML. Otherwise, what would be the way of doing this with the newer versions? UserSAXParser>>endDocument "This call corresponds to the Java SAX call endDocument()." eod := true Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Nov. 15, 2011