October 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint at Smalltalks Conference 2011 Fwd: [clubSmalltalk] Smalltalks 2011 => Eventos Relacionados

by Tudor Girba

Ah, I will only arrive on Thursday morning. Will there be other gatherings? Doru On 18 Oct 2011, at 16:25, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi guys. Remember there will be a Pharo Sprint just before Smalltalks Conference. > If you want to attend, please contact Guillermo Polito at: guillermopolito<at>gmail<dot>com > > cheers > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Gabriela Arevalo (gmail) <gabriela.b.arevalo(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2011/10/18 > Subject: [clubSmalltalk] Smalltalks 2011 => Eventos Relacionados > To: clubsmalltalk(a)googlegroups.com > > > Hola a todos, > > Les recuerdo que este aÃ±o, ademÃ¡s de las charlas de intro a Smalltalk, este aÃ±o tendremos un Pharo Sprint el MiÃ©rcoles 2/11 en la Universidad Nacional de Quilmes. > > Aquellos interesados deben completar el siguiente formulario: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHlKdUdvYnF3c3… o contactar a Guillermo Polito (guillermopolito<at>gmail<dot>com > > Espero verlos a todos en Smalltalks 2011 en la Universidad Nacional de Quilmes. > > Saludos, > > Gabi > > -- > To post to this group, send email to clubSmalltalk(a)googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clubSmalltalk+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com > > http://www.clubSmalltalk.org > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Weird Settings filtering

by Alain Plantec

yes, it's weird. I will fix that thanks Alain On 18/10/2011 21:26, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi Alain. I found something weird with the filtering of the Settings > browser. I installed keymapping by > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'ShortWays'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfKeymapping'; > load. > > (ConfigurationOfKeymapping project version: #bleedingEdge) load > > Now...if you open the settings browser you see the category > "Keymappings". But if I go to the input field, type "keymap" and hit > enter, I see a result that contains "Keymapping" but not its item. > So...it seems that the settings searches in the items of the category > but not in the category name. So I wonder.... show we show the list if > a category name matches? > > thanks > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Oct. 18, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14199

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

14199 ----- - Issue 4916: Fixing FlatBrowser after double list introduction. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4916 Stef

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Probably that the GLMMorphicSmalltalkCodeRenderer rely on the old (and buggy way we used to use the styler) and doru may have to look at the shoutexample package to see how to invoke shout. Stef > Hi guys. So...now that ConfigurationOfGrease seem to work (in latest 1.3 from Hudson), I can load: > > (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #development) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ). > > However, if I evaluate: > GTInspector openOn: 'mariano' > > I have the attached PharoDebug.log > > Basically, in GLMMorphicSmalltalkCodeRenderer >> textMorphForModel: aTextModel > > morph > styler: styler; > > morph DNU styler: . > > > Thanks! > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:53 PM, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > Em 16/10/2011 18:20, Marcus Denker < marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > escreveu: > > Hello, > > > Can people in general *delete* the quoted email parts to a level > > that one does need to scroll down 5 pages to read the answer? > > +1 > > It is really a must for us that want to keep with the volume of e-mails but have to be parsimonious on the time spent for it. > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > <PharoDebug.log>

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] IS Smalltalk Source also an object?

by Nicolas Cellier

2011/10/18 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > Maybe I've played too much football without a helmet or did too much C programming, Yes, and yes, that's why you missed Eliot's answer ;) http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.devel/55024 Nicolas but I see two questions popping out of this: (1) is source an object in Smalltalk; (2) in which languages/systems is source an object? > > This is an interesting debate. > > Bill > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:43 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] IS Smalltalk Source also an object? > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr<mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: > >> Hi, there! >> >> I had a nice conversation about Smalltalk among software architects: >> >> I claim smalltalk to be the only programming system, where source is an object too, with all advantages and disadvantages! >> >> Am i right? >> > No, source is ascii text in Smalltak, and it's on the disk even. > > Hang on. Â While I agree that the ideas in sub-method reflection really do make source an interesting object it is still the case that method sources and class comments /are/ objects, albeit only strings, even if implemented in an odd way with storage outside the image (but a really useful way since it provides for crash recovery). Â There are few other systems in which, in the running program, one can access the source of a method, bit in Smalltalk I can say thisContext method getSource, and that is I think Guido's point. > > > The only thing that is objects are classes and methods. Below of a full method, the reflective model stops. > (you can ask the compiler to make an AST from the dead code on disk, but that model is not causally connected > and thus not reflective, and it's only there when you create it. This you can do in any language, though). > > Of course it is interesting what happes when one fixes that... > > "Sub-Method Reflection": > > Â Â Â http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2007_10/paper14.pdf > > Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > > > -- > best, > Eliot > > >

Oct. 18, 2011

[Pharo-project] Weird Settings filtering

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Alain. I found something weird with the filtering of the Settings browser. I installed keymapping by Gofer new squeaksource: 'ShortWays'; package: 'ConfigurationOfKeymapping'; load. (ConfigurationOfKeymapping project version: #bleedingEdge) load Now...if you open the settings browser you see the category "Keymappings". But if I go to the input field, type "keymap" and hit enter, I see a result that contains "Keymapping" but not its item. So...it seems that the settings searches in the items of the category but not in the category name. So I wonder.... show we show the list if a category name matches? thanks -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] IS Smalltalk Source also an object?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Maybe I've played too much football without a helmet or did too much C programming, but I see two questions popping out of this: (1) is source an object in Smalltalk; (2) in which languages/systems is source an object? This is an interesting debate. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:43 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] IS Smalltalk Source also an object? On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr<mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: > Hi, there! > > I had a nice conversation about Smalltalk among software architects: > > I claim smalltalk to be the only programming system, where source is an object too, with all advantages and disadvantages! > > Am i right? > No, source is ascii text in Smalltak, and it's on the disk even. Hang on. While I agree that the ideas in sub-method reflection really do make source an interesting object it is still the case that method sources and class comments /are/ objects, albeit only strings, even if implemented in an odd way with storage outside the image (but a really useful way since it provides for crash recovery). There are few other systems in which, in the running program, one can access the source of a method, bit in Smalltalk I can say thisContext method getSource, and that is I think Guido's point. The only thing that is objects are classes and methods. Below of a full method, the reflective model stops. (you can ask the compiler to make an AST from the dead code on disk, but that model is not causally connected and thus not reflective, and it's only there when you create it. This you can do in any language, though). Of course it is interesting what happes when one fixes that... "Sub-Method Reflection": http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2007_10/paper14.pdf Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de -- best, Eliot

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. So...now that ConfigurationOfGrease seem to work (in latest 1.3 from Hudson), I can load: (ConfigurationOfGlamoroust project version: #development) load: #('GT-Inspector' 'GT-Playground' ). However, if I evaluate: GTInspector openOn: 'mariano' I have the attached PharoDebug.log Basically, in GLMMorphicSmalltalkCodeRenderer >> textMorphForModel: aTextModel morph styler: styler; morph DNU styler: . Thanks! On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:53 PM, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > Em 16/10/2011 18:20, Marcus Denker < marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > escreveu: > > Hello, > > > Can people in general *delete* the quoted email parts to a level > > that one does need to scroll down 5 pages to read the answer? > > +1 > > It is really a must for us that want to keep with the volume of e-mails but > have to be parsimonious on the time spent for it. > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] IS Smalltalk Source also an object?

by Eliot Miranda

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Guido Stepken wrote: > > > Hi, there! > > > > I had a nice conversation about Smalltalk among software architects: > > > > I claim smalltalk to be the only programming system, where source is an > object too, with all advantages and disadvantages! > > > > Am i right? > > > No, source is ascii text in Smalltak, and it's on the disk even. > Hang on. While I agree that the ideas in sub-method reflection really do make source an interesting object it is still the case that method sources and class comments /are/ objects, albeit only strings, even if implemented in an odd way with storage outside the image (but a really useful way since it provides for crash recovery). There are few other systems in which, in the running program, one can access the source of a method, bit in Smalltalk I can say thisContext method getSource, and that is I think Guido's point. > The only thing that is objects are classes and methods. Below of a full > method, the reflective model stops. > (you can ask the compiler to make an AST from the dead code on disk, but > that model is not causally connected > and thus not reflective, and it's only there when you create it. This you > can do in any language, though). > > Of course it is interesting what happes when one fixes that... > > "Sub-Method Reflection": > > http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2007_10/paper14.pdf > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- best, Eliot

Oct. 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGrease stable does not load in Pharo 1.3

by Dale Henrichs

Lukas, Looking at the aftermath of this ConfigurationOfGrease issue, it appears that you and Philippe published a several new packages for Grease and those new packages were not included in the ConfigurationOfGrease that everyone else uses. If you had sent mail to me telling me that you have some updates you'd like included in Metacello, I would have made the edits to the configuration and there would have been no problem. I am very busy, but a request to edit 6 lines in a configuration is not too much work for me to handle ... Let's be honest Lukas, stupidity is not your problem ... Frankly, I am a bit mystified and dismayed, but if you claim stupidity then I guess you are stupid. With that said, you only need to send me mail when you want to release a new Seaside/Grease configuration and I will continue to do the genius work of maintaining the configurations. Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 5:26:59 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGrease stable does not load in Pharo 1.3 | | On 18 October 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse | <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: | > I updated the configurationOfGrease | > | >> (ConfigurationOfGrease project version: #development) load | > loads well in 1.3. | > | > I do not understand why lukas and philippe do not give a shit about | > metacello but this is sad | > because idiots like me have to go and understand the dependencies | > after the fact. | | Sorry, but I am too stupid for it. It is too complex for me. | | You can take my scripts and get a working and minimal image. For many | years I've been building images without problems. | | Now you can say that this is not your use-case, but Metacello | configurations are not my use-case either. | | Lukas | | -- | Lukas Renggli | www.lukas-renggli.ch | |

Oct. 18, 2011