October 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Please let me know if you have more problems. Sure I will :) > > And let us know if you like it. Maybe others will be enticed to use it as > well :) > > Yes, I like it. Well, if my talk of Smalltalks is accepted, I guess all the audience will see it :) > Doru > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks guys. At least now I can use GTInspector :) >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> I agree. >>> Issue 4918 <http://code.google.com/p/**pharo/issues/detail?id=4918<http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4918> >>> > >>> Cheers >>> Alain >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/10/2011 09:23, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Alain, >>>> >>>> I do not need it at this point. The Glamour code is fixed and relies on >>>> the default behavior of PluggableTextMorph. >>>> >>>> But, I was simply remarking that you have an instance variable to >>>> specify the styler per instance, but there is no way to set it. So, yes, I >>>> think it would be a good idea to add the styler: method back :). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 09:15, Alain Plantec wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>>> If I understand well, Doru just need a PluggableTextMorph>>#styler: so >>>>> that a specific styler can be directly set to an instance. >>>>> We can simply add this missing method if this is the point. >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Alain >>>>> >>>>> On 19/10/2011 09:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. It is fixed now by removing the explicit setting of a styler. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I do not quite understand why not being able to set the >>>>>>> styler on a per PluggableTextMorph instance basis is a good idea. You still >>>>>>> have an instance variable for the styler, but you do not have the >>>>>>> possibility to set it from the outside. You can only change the styler for >>>>>>> the entire image by changing the StylingClass class variable. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I do not think but I may be wrong. Have a look at the examples of >>>>>> Alain. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since there was not documentation at all we (ben and me) did some >>>>>> mistakes and passed as idiot (as usual) >>>>>> because we were so stupid not to understand the design of the code >>>>>> that we do not know. >>>>>> This change got waves in editor and that led lukas to complain. >>>>>> >>>>>> So yes documentation, classes comments is a way to make us doing less >>>>>> mistakes and feeling less utterly stupid and frustrated. >>>>>> But people do not get it because this is so cool to code for one self >>>>>> and look so smart. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] crash.dmp file

by John Toohey

Do you know of a VM that is in production somewhere? I've switched to the COG VMs (much faster than the old ones) , but they all seem very unstable. Maybe I'm taking the wrong ones from the build server, but I desperately need one that is stable enough to deploy. I'm using this one, at the moment, VM Version: Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker-oscog-IgorStasenko.123] On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:44, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > PharoDebug.log is created before the image opens a debugger. > > crash.dmp is created when the VM dies. > > Lukas > > On 19 October 2011 14:26, John Toohey <jt(a)parspro.com> wrote: >> One of my production servers was down this morning, but instead of a >> PharoDebug.log file, all I found was a file called crash.dmp, with a >> minimum stack trace and no information about what caused the crash. >> Can someone tell me what this file is, and why the usual log file was >> not created? >> >> >> -- >> ~JT >> >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > -- ~JT

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.3] One-Click #13315

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Please test... > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/29274/Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.zip > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] crash.dmp file

by Lukas Renggli

PharoDebug.log is created before the image opens a debugger. crash.dmp is created when the VM dies. Lukas On 19 October 2011 14:26, John Toohey <jt(a)parspro.com> wrote: > One of my production servers was down this morning, but instead of a > PharoDebug.log file, all I found was a file called crash.dmp, with a > minimum stack trace and no information about what caused the crash. > Can someone tell me what this file is, and why the usual log file was > not created? > > > -- > ~JT > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 19, 2011

[Pharo-project] crash.dmp file

by John Toohey

One of my production servers was down this morning, but instead of a PharoDebug.log file, all I found was a file called crash.dmp, with a minimum stack trace and no information about what caused the crash. Can someone tell me what this file is, and why the usual log file was not created? -- ~JT

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by Tudor Girba

Please let me know if you have more problems. And let us know if you like it. Maybe others will be enticed to use it as well :) Doru On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks guys. At least now I can use GTInspector :) > > Cheers > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> I agree. >> Issue 4918 <http://code.google.com/p/**pharo/issues/detail?id=4918<http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4918> >> > >> Cheers >> Alain >> >> >> >> On 19/10/2011 09:23, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi Alain, >>> >>> I do not need it at this point. The Glamour code is fixed and relies on >>> the default behavior of PluggableTextMorph. >>> >>> But, I was simply remarking that you have an instance variable to specify >>> the styler per instance, but there is no way to set it. So, yes, I think it >>> would be a good idea to add the styler: method back :). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 09:15, Alain Plantec wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>> If I understand well, Doru just need a PluggableTextMorph>>#styler: so >>>> that a specific styler can be directly set to an instance. >>>> We can simply add this missing method if this is the point. >>>> Cheers >>>> Alain >>>> >>>> On 19/10/2011 09:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. It is fixed now by removing the explicit setting of a styler. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I do not quite understand why not being able to set the >>>>>> styler on a per PluggableTextMorph instance basis is a good idea. You still >>>>>> have an instance variable for the styler, but you do not have the >>>>>> possibility to set it from the outside. You can only change the styler for >>>>>> the entire image by changing the StylingClass class variable. >>>>>> >>>>> I do not think but I may be wrong. Have a look at the examples of >>>>> Alain. >>>>> >>>>> Since there was not documentation at all we (ben and me) did some >>>>> mistakes and passed as idiot (as usual) >>>>> because we were so stupid not to understand the design of the code that >>>>> we do not know. >>>>> This change got waves in editor and that led lukas to complain. >>>>> >>>>> So yes documentation, classes comments is a way to make us doing less >>>>> mistakes and feeling less utterly stupid and frustrated. >>>>> But people do not get it because this is so cool to code for one self >>>>> and look so smart. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 19, 2011

[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.3] One-Click #13315

by Marcus Denker

Please test... https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/29274/Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.zip -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Oct. 19, 2011

[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.3] pre-build full 1.3#13315

by Marcus Denker

Please test... this is build with the last RB/OB *and* the shout related changes. https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/29273/Pharo-1.3-13315.zip I will update the one-click, too. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Thanks guys. At least now I can use GTInspector :) Cheers On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > I agree. > Issue 4918 <http://code.google.com/p/**pharo/issues/detail?id=4918<http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4918> > > > Cheers > Alain > > > > On 19/10/2011 09:23, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi Alain, >> >> I do not need it at this point. The Glamour code is fixed and relies on >> the default behavior of PluggableTextMorph. >> >> But, I was simply remarking that you have an instance variable to specify >> the styler per instance, but there is no way to set it. So, yes, I think it >> would be a good idea to add the styler: method back :). >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On 19 Oct 2011, at 09:15, Alain Plantec wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> If I understand well, Doru just need a PluggableTextMorph>>#styler: so >>> that a specific styler can be directly set to an instance. >>> We can simply add this missing method if this is the point. >>> Cheers >>> Alain >>> >>> On 19/10/2011 09:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. It is fixed now by removing the explicit setting of a styler. >>>>> >>>>> However, I do not quite understand why not being able to set the styler >>>>> on a per PluggableTextMorph instance basis is a good idea. You still have an >>>>> instance variable for the styler, but you do not have the possibility to set >>>>> it from the outside. You can only change the styler for the entire image by >>>>> changing the StylingClass class variable. >>>>> >>>> I do not think but I may be wrong. Have a look at the examples of Alain. >>>> >>>> Since there was not documentation at all we (ben and me) did some >>>> mistakes and passed as idiot (as usual) >>>> because we were so stupid not to understand the design of the code that >>>> we do not know. >>>> This change got waves in editor and that led lukas to complain. >>>> >>>> So yes documentation, classes comments is a way to make us doing less >>>> mistakes and feeling less utterly stupid and frustrated. >>>> But people do not get it because this is so cool to code for one self >>>> and look so smart. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Can this be improved in Glamourous?

by Alain Plantec

I agree. Issue 4918 <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4918> Cheers Alain On 19/10/2011 09:23, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Alain, > > I do not need it at this point. The Glamour code is fixed and relies on the default behavior of PluggableTextMorph. > > But, I was simply remarking that you have an instance variable to specify the styler per instance, but there is no way to set it. So, yes, I think it would be a good idea to add the styler: method back :). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 19 Oct 2011, at 09:15, Alain Plantec wrote: > >> Hi all, >> If I understand well, Doru just need a PluggableTextMorph>>#styler: so that a specific styler can be directly set to an instance. >> We can simply add this missing method if this is the point. >> Cheers >> Alain >> >> On 19/10/2011 09:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks. It is fixed now by removing the explicit setting of a styler. >>>> >>>> However, I do not quite understand why not being able to set the styler on a per PluggableTextMorph instance basis is a good idea. You still have an instance variable for the styler, but you do not have the possibility to set it from the outside. You can only change the styler for the entire image by changing the StylingClass class variable. >>> I do not think but I may be wrong. Have a look at the examples of Alain. >>> >>> Since there was not documentation at all we (ben and me) did some mistakes and passed as idiot (as usual) >>> because we were so stupid not to understand the design of the code that we do not know. >>> This change got waves in editor and that led lukas to complain. >>> >>> So yes documentation, classes comments is a way to make us doing less mistakes and feeling less utterly stupid and frustrated. >>> But people do not get it because this is so cool to code for one self and look so smart. >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >> > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." > > > >

Oct. 19, 2011