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Re: [Pharo-project] What about a little rename in MouseEvent?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2011/1/24 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > > I hate yellowButtonPressed and redButtonPressed and blueButtonPressed > messages. > > Why not lefClick, rightClick and "middleClick"? > > > Yes. > Back in the days, the color buttons where "holy cows". You just could not > even suggest to > change it. > For me, after 13 years of Squeak and later Pharo, I still have no clue which > color means what... > they have no meaning. There is no green button on my mouse. > Marcus > " The original device connected to the Alto and Dorado machines had 3 buttons labelled "yellow", "red" and "blue" " >From http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/wolfgang.kreutzer/cosc205/smalltalk1.html > > > > -- > Marcus Denker Â --Â http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >

Jan. 24, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13017

by Marcus Denker

13017 ----- Issue 3580: Some trivial code-critique cleanups Issue 3582: RecentMessageList should be reseted in #cleanUpForRelease -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3582 in pharo: RecentMessageList should be reseted in #cleanUpForRelease

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Comment #2 on issue 3582 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: RecentMessageList should be reseted in #cleanUpForRelease http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3582 13017

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3580 in pharo: Some trivial code-critique cleanups

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Closed Comment #1 on issue 3580 by marcus.d...(a)gmail.com: Some trivial code-critique cleanups http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3580 13017

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Cant load NBOpenGL

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 January 2011 12:26, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: > Igor, excelent that you made a Native Boost vm available for MacOSX. > I would like to try out your text rendering demos. > Yes, VM is ready for use.. but image side code are not still adopted for MacOS. Mac OS using a stack alignment (16 bytes), and if you not aligning the stack when doing external calls, it leads to exception(s) & crash. In other platforms there is no any restriction about stack alignment, and obviously that's why i was not care about it in code generator. Now i need to rewrite a code generation code to take this into account. This complicates things a little, and will slow down the callout code on macs , but i hope not really too much. So, until then , nativeboost for doing external calls on Macs is not ready for use. > But i have a problem while trying to load the NBOpenGL in the order > specified in squeaksource. > > > NBOpenGL-Win > > This package depends on the following classes: > Â NBWinTypes > Â NBWinConstants > So, this is a platform-specific (Windows) part of NBOpenGL, and no wonder, it requires a platform-specific NativeBoost package specifically for windows. In same way, there will be NBOpenGL-Mac (or most probably NBOpenGL-Unix) which will implement platform-specific parts needed for using OpenGL on it. > > Fernando > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What about a little rename in MouseEvent?

by Esteban Lorenzano

+1 there are another issue: future is coming and soon we will have more than three buttons (in fact, if apple guys are correct, we will have "as many buttons as we want" :P) El 24/01/2011, a las 8:41a.m., Guillermo Polito escribiÃ³: > Here is a squeak wiki post about colored mouse buttons: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897 > > And the part that says "The Smalltalk image from which Squeak is derived was designed to run with a three-button mouse on an Alto or Dorado computer. These buttons were known as the Red button, Yellow button, and Blue button, and some mice on the Parc computers really had buttons of these colors." allows me to think that originally, the buttons were named just like the hardware :). > > So calling them left, right and middle... Is right the same but more meaningful. > > Another classification there puts them as: > > > red:primary yellow:secondary blue:meta, tertiary > > > So we could call them primary, secondary and (tertiary or meta). I like it :). > > Cheers, > Guille > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry Fernando, > The question is can we remove a level of indirection ? > And to answer this, you have to consider these other questions: > - what was the purpose of this level of indirection ? > - do we still need it or not ? > I don't feel like your yes/no answer is satisfying, please give more > ellaborated arguments. > > Nicolas > > 2011/1/24 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>: > > I agree with the original proposal, because MouseEvents denote the > > physical action performed by the user on the hardware, which evidently > > has a left, a middle and a right section. Regardless of the action > > Morphic associates with each click, #select, #menu, etc... > > > > Fernando > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > >> > >> On 24 Jan 2011, at 08:25, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> > >>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > >>> > >>>> I hate yellowButtonPressed and redButtonPressed and blueButtonPressed messages. > >>>> > >>>> Why not lefClick, rightClick and "middleClick"? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >>> Back in the days, the color buttons where "holy cows". You just could not even suggest to > >>> change it. > >>> > >>> For me, after 13 years of Squeak and later Pharo, I still have no clue which color means what... > >>> they have no meaning. There is no green button on my mouse. > >>> > >>> Marcus > >> > >> #select, #menu and #extra ? > >> > >> Then again, touch UI is different again. > >> > >> Sven > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What about a little rename in MouseEvent?

by Guillermo Polito

BTW, "Meta" is another name I would like to get rid of :P. Guille On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Here is a squeak wiki post about colored mouse buttons: > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897 > > And the part that says "The Smalltalk image from which Squeak is derived > was designed to run with a three-button mouse on an Alto or Dorado computer. > These buttons were known as the Red button<http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1904>, > Yellow button <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1905>, and Blue button<http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1906>, > and some mice on the Parc computers really had buttons of these colors." > allows me to think that originally, the buttons were named just like the > hardware :). > > So calling them left, right and middle... Is right the same but more > meaningful. > > Another classification there puts them as: > > > red:primaryyellow:secondaryblue:meta, tertiary > > So we could call them primary, secondary and (tertiary or meta). I like it > :). > > Cheers, > Guille > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Nicolas Cellier < > nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry Fernando, >> The question is can we remove a level of indirection ? >> And to answer this, you have to consider these other questions: >> - what was the purpose of this level of indirection ? >> - do we still need it or not ? >> I don't feel like your yes/no answer is satisfying, please give more >> ellaborated arguments. >> >> Nicolas >> >> 2011/1/24 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>: >> > I agree with the original proposal, because MouseEvents denote the >> > physical action performed by the user on the hardware, which evidently >> > has a left, a middle and a right section. Regardless of the action >> > Morphic associates with each click, #select, #menu, etc... >> > >> > Fernando >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 24 Jan 2011, at 08:25, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I hate yellowButtonPressed and redButtonPressed and blueButtonPressed >> messages. >> >>>> >> >>>> Why not lefClick, rightClick and "middleClick"? >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Yes. >> >>> >> >>> Back in the days, the color buttons where "holy cows". You just could >> not even suggest to >> >>> change it. >> >>> >> >>> For me, after 13 years of Squeak and later Pharo, I still have no clue >> which color means what... >> >>> they have no meaning. There is no green button on my mouse. >> >>> >> >>> Marcus >> >> >> >> #select, #menu and #extra ? >> >> >> >> Then again, touch UI is different again. >> >> >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3586 in pharo: Rename color buttons in MouseEvent

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #1 on issue 3586 by guillerm...(a)gmail.com: Rename color buttons in MouseEvent http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3586 Here is a squeak wiki post about colored mouse buttons: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897 And the part that says "The Smalltalk image from which Squeak is derived was designed to run with a three-button mouse on an Alto or Dorado computer. These buttons were known as the Red button, Yellow button, and Blue button, and some mice on the Parc computers really had buttons of these colors." allows me to think that originally, the buttons were named just like the hardware :). So calling them left, right and middle... Is right the same but more meaningful. Another classification there puts them as: red:primary yellow:secondary blue:meta, tertiary So we could call them primary, secondary and (tertiary or meta). I like it :). Cheers, Guille

Jan. 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] What about a little rename in MouseEvent?

by Guillermo Polito

Here is a squeak wiki post about colored mouse buttons: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897 And the part that says "The Smalltalk image from which Squeak is derived was designed to run with a three-button mouse on an Alto or Dorado computer. These buttons were known as the Red button<http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1904>, Yellow button <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1905>, and Blue button<http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1906>, and some mice on the Parc computers really had buttons of these colors." allows me to think that originally, the buttons were named just like the hardware :). So calling them left, right and middle... Is right the same but more meaningful. Another classification there puts them as: red:primaryyellow:secondaryblue:meta, tertiary So we could call them primary, secondary and (tertiary or meta). I like it :). Cheers, Guille On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Nicolas Cellier < nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry Fernando, > The question is can we remove a level of indirection ? > And to answer this, you have to consider these other questions: > - what was the purpose of this level of indirection ? > - do we still need it or not ? > I don't feel like your yes/no answer is satisfying, please give more > ellaborated arguments. > > Nicolas > > 2011/1/24 Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>: > > I agree with the original proposal, because MouseEvents denote the > > physical action performed by the user on the hardware, which evidently > > has a left, a middle and a right section. Regardless of the action > > Morphic associates with each click, #select, #menu, etc... > > > > Fernando > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > wrote: > >> > >> On 24 Jan 2011, at 08:25, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> > >>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > >>> > >>>> I hate yellowButtonPressed and redButtonPressed and blueButtonPressed > messages. > >>>> > >>>> Why not lefClick, rightClick and "middleClick"? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >>> Back in the days, the color buttons where "holy cows". You just could > not even suggest to > >>> change it. > >>> > >>> For me, after 13 years of Squeak and later Pharo, I still have no clue > which color means what... > >>> they have no meaning. There is no green button on my mouse. > >>> > >>> Marcus > >> > >> #select, #menu and #extra ? > >> > >> Then again, touch UI is different again. > >> > >> Sven > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Jan. 24, 2011

[Pharo-project] Cant load NBOpenGL

by Fernando Olivero

Igor, excelent that you made a Native Boost vm available for MacOSX. I would like to try out your text rendering demos. But i have a problem while trying to load the NBOpenGL in the order specified in squeaksource. NBOpenGL-Win This package depends on the following classes: NBWinTypes NBWinConstants Fernando

Jan. 24, 2011