September 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Morphic

by DeNigris Sean

I was doing a lot of playing with Morphic this week at ESUG in Barcelona. Many people seem to really not like it and complain about it, but it seems very vague i.e. they can't point to a specific problem with it. I think it's amazingly powerful and universally misunderstood. Many people are pushing for native widgets for end users, which I think is awesome, but serves a different role. For me, there are two use cases: 1. People (mostly Smalltalkers, including myself) interested in the UI's of the future and exploring what's possible 2. People who love their (e.g. Mac) look and feel or are in a setting (e.g. enterprise) where they have to use a particular GUI. Morphic seems ideal for group #1. I think the key questions are: * if you were implementing Morphic today, knowing what you know after it being used over the years, how would you do it? * what would it take (if possible) to get there from the current implementation? Two issues I've noticed: 1. there seems to be an explosion of classes with slightly different behavior e.g. TextMorph, TextMorphForShout, PluggableTextMorph, PluggableShoutMorph. 2. I'm not clear whether the hooks for modifying behavior are a. available in all the right places b. working c. widely understood I'm forming an informal panel to discuss this. I've reached out to Morphic's creators and some original users. A quick example of my (seemingly common) experience: For example, I'm writing an implementorsOf browser that shows the execution path as a graph of MethodMorphs connected by LineMorphs, because the standard paned browser does not capture the metaphor of drilling down through implementors. So I Created a MethodMorph and added as a submorph a PluggableShoutMorph to hold the code. At that point, I couldn't figure out a good/easy way to react to mouse events and pop out a new MethodMorph. I tried (one of these felt very satisfying): * Morph>>on:send:to:, which sounded good, but never got called * intercepting Morph>>processEvent:using: (which I was told was not a good idea) * (after seeking help), locking the submorphs and overriding the dozen or so event-related methods in the chain from my morph to TextMorphForShout (the Morph that actually handles the text and input). * subclassing TextMorphForShout and then subclassing PluggableShoutMorph to use that subclass. Sean

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Yes, I agree, really your work Laurent and Damien is very important to the community. Congrats! 2010/9/17 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>: > Congratulations! Your efforts are really appreciated. > > Doru > > > On 16 Sep 2010, at 19:41, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Thank you !! >> >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Although the technology is important, spreading the word is also of great value to the Smalltalk community. >> This is why the ESUG board decided to distinguish two people for their actions on this-level: >> >> -Damien Cassou >> for Squeak-dev: an initiative which makes developers life easier by setting a ready to use image including best available tools. >> >> -Laurent Laffont >> for Pharocast: quality screencasts that illustrates various facets of >> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> >> Congratulations Damien and Laurent! >> >> Noury @ ESUG 2010 - Barcelona :-) >> --- >> 18th International Smalltalk Joint Conference, September 13 -17 2010 Barcelona, Spain. >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Some battles are better lost than fought." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Community in the IDE

by George Herolyants

Implemented in some commercial Java IDE. Never tried, but sounds great! :)

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Community in the IDE

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+1 Stef On Sep 17, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Max Leske wrote: > No time, sorry. But I definitely second that! > > Max > > > On 17.09.2010, at 10:30, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> an idea I haven't found the courage to implement but may not be hard and can have an impact (at least fun to code). >> >> - Write / put a chat server on seasidehosting|INRIA|whatever >> - Pharo image includes a chat client per default >> - uses Author as nickname >> >> So as soon as we open an image we are connected to other users. Can be interesting in courses as students are directly connected to *real* developpers while learning (and students love to chat :). >> >> So we can exchange snippets instantly, ask questions, ... >> >> Someone ? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] UI states

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes! Alain could you publish the event hierarchy of sophie that you extracted. On Sep 16, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > I might be nice for the appearance of all controls, windows etc. to adhere to a standard set of UI states as identified: > > Enabled > Enabled Mouse over > Enabled Mouse down inside > Enabled Mouse down outside (*) > > Enabled Selected > Enabled Selected Mouse over > Enabled Selected Mouse down inside > Enabled Selected Mouse down outside (*) > > Disabled > Disabled Mouse over (*) > Disabled Mouse down inside (*) > Disabled Mouse down outside (*) > > Disabled Selected > Disabled Selected Mouse over (*) > Disabled Selected Mouse down inside (*) > Disabled Selected Mouse down outside (*) > > And repeat for additional "inactive" (non-primary/top window) > > > (*) indicates a nice to have, rather than strictly necessary... > > Thoughts appreciated beforehand. Anything missing, suggestions for fallback (don't want to have to do all for everything)?... > > Perhpas worth a tutorial/help/etc. for those making new widgets. > > > I'm sure I discussed this with Igor before, but not sure I had a response. > > Regards, Gary > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Community in the IDE

by Max Leske

No time, sorry. But I definitely second that! Max On 17.09.2010, at 10:30, laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > an idea I haven't found the courage to implement but may not be hard and can have an impact (at least fun to code). > > - Write / put a chat server on seasidehosting|INRIA|whatever > - Pharo image includes a chat client per default > - uses Author as nickname > > So as soon as we open an image we are connected to other users. Can be interesting in courses as students are directly connected to *real* developpers while learning (and students love to chat :). > > So we can exchange snippets instantly, ask questions, ... > > Someone ? > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010

[Pharo-project] Community in the IDE

by laurent laffont

Hi, an idea I haven't found the courage to implement but may not be hard and can have an impact (at least fun to code). - Write / put a chat server on seasidehosting|INRIA|whatever - Pharo image includes a chat client per default - uses Author as nickname So as soon as we open an image we are connected to other users. Can be interesting in courses as students are directly connected to *real* developpers while learning (and students love to chat :). So we can exchange snippets instantly, ask questions, ... Someone ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ISSUE 2967: urgent do-it fix

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

TX! On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > Issue 2967: DoIt on a workspace doesnt work, raises a subscript out of bounds error. > Fixed, removed some other methods that were added to ByteString, but belong in SmalltalkEditor. > Fernando > > > <smalltalkEditor-doItFix.1.cs> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Best Spreading Smalltalk Actions

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Stay tuned :) the new board acted that it will launch a lot of new actions Sponsoring local user groups Conference sponsoring Smalltalk Solutions, Smalltalks Smalltalk in the cloud Smalltalk and robots Smalltalk web Archive Summertalk Project... But we will have two ESUG action ambassadors: Alain Plantec and Serge Stinckwich Stef On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Congratulations! Your efforts are really appreciated. > > Doru > > > On 16 Sep 2010, at 19:41, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Thank you !! >> >> Laurent >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Although the technology is important, spreading the word is also of great value to the Smalltalk community. >> This is why the ESUG board decided to distinguish two people for their actions on this-level: >> >> -Damien Cassou >> for Squeak-dev: an initiative which makes developers life easier by setting a ready to use image including best available tools. >> >> -Laurent Laffont >> for Pharocast: quality screencasts that illustrates various facets of >> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> >> Congratulations Damien and Laurent! >> >> Noury @ ESUG 2010 - Barcelona :-) >> --- >> 18th International Smalltalk Joint Conference, September 13 -17 2010 Barcelona, Spain. >> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Some battles are better lost than fought." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Some thoughts...

by Luc Fabresse

Yes ;-) On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Fernando olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>wrote: > lets get it working on the mac too please! > > On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > Amen :) > > > > > > > > On 15 September 2010 12:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> nativeBoost too :) > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> > >>> Indeed, this sounds really exciting. > >>> > >>> Doru > >>> > >>> > >>> On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:59, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> > >>>> thanks alex :) > >>>> We will.... > >>>> > >>>> Stef > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I really would like to see projects like Opal and Ocean happening. > Even though I may not have the time to directly contribute to them, they are > important and I will use them. I am struggling these days to instrument the > whole Pharo image and this is not easy. I am eagerly waiting for Opal. I got > burned in the past with networks. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, please continue... > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Alexandre > >>>>> -- > >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>> > >>> "Yesterday is a fact. > >>> Tomorrow is a possibility. > >>> Today is a challenge." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 17, 2010