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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Vm-dev] Weak finalization enh. are still not integrated into VM(s)

by Igor Stasenko

2010/9/22 Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de>: > Hi guys, > are there any plans to integrate this in Pharo? > As I want to do some experiments with Magma I am specially interested in > Pharo-1.1 for it. > Regards, > Andreas > Yes, i will put changesets into pharo issue tracker, to integrate it with Pharo as well. > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > > Von: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > Datum: 22. September 2010 05:23:36 MESZ > An: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion > <vm-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>, siguctua(a)gmail.com > Betreff: Re: [Vm-dev] Weak finalization enh. are still not integrated into > VM(s) > Antwort an: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion > <vm-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 04:22:22PM +0300, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > On 21 September 2010 06:20, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:28:35AM +0300, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > I am also uploaded a slice of system changes with new classes & rest > > of stuff into inbox: > > > CollectionsTests-Igor.Stasenko.169 > > Collections-Igor.Stasenko.370 > > Kernel-Igor.Stasenko.478 > > System-Igor.Stasenko.358 > > note, that despite of these changes, system are still using old > > WeakRegistry instance, > > and obviously 'WeakRegistry default' needs to be modified to be > > replaced with new functionality. > > These inbox changes are out of date with respect to the trunk, so > > would need to be merged with care. > > Yeah, i did not updated the image before applying changesets. > > But aside from that, is there > > any reason that your changes should *not* be moved into trunk now? > > If no objections, then we should include them now. > > > There are a couple of doits, which should be invoked after loading changes: > > WeakArray restartFinalizationProcess > > and of couse > > Smalltalk recreateSpecialObjectsArray > > Btw, i found that in image i was using, > > Smalltalk specialObjectsArray size > > was 50 > > while in #recreateSpecialObjectsArray method there was already 55 entries > > (and with weak finalization it should be 56). > > This should already be updated in trunk: > > Name: System-dtl.333 > Author: dtl > Time: 25 May 2010, 9:00:22.752 pm > Ancestors: System-spd.332 > Update SmalltalkImage>>recreateSpecialObjectsArray for support of Alien and > improved > finalization (Mantis 7473). Corresponding VM support is in > SqS/VMMaker-dtl.175. > > So after a #recreateSpecialObjectsArray the size is 56, and the last slot > is used for WeakFinalizer if present in the image. > > I think that everything is ready for your WeakFinalizer updates. Unless > there are any other issues, please just go ahead and commit them to trunk. > > :) > > Dave > > > I understand that the VM changes are not yet available in the > > official VMs, but this should be corrected the next time that new > > VMs are distributed. > > Dave > > > Thanks, David. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Webpage for research paper about Pharo?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

+1 On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Everybody agrees on > http://pharo-project.org/documentation/pharo-in-research > ? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 22 Sep 2010, at 07:15, laurent laffont wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I would like to create a webpage that lists papers about Pharo. > > There were some announcements on smalltalk-research(a)googlegroups.com, > but it is not really useful for me to keep track of what's going on. > > Maybe a page accessible from > > http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > > or http://www.pharo-project.org/about/ > > will be good. > > > > I like the idea. Why not > http://pharo-project.org/documentation/research-papers ? > > > > Laurent > > > > > > If the community agrees on this, I am willing to lead this effort. > > Opinion? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Webpage for research paper about Pharo?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

I like it. 2010/9/21 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > Hi! > > I would like to create a webpage that lists papers about Pharo. > There were some announcements on smalltalk-research(a)googlegroups.com, but it is not really useful for me to keep track of what's going on. > Maybe a page accessible from > Â Â Â Â http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > Â Â Â Â or http://www.pharo-project.org/about/ > will be good. > > If the community agrees on this, I am willing to lead this effort. > Opinion? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- HernÃ¡n Morales Information Technology Manager, Institute of Veterinary Genetics. National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. Internal: 422 Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799.

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Webpage for research paper about Pharo?

by Alexandre Bergel

Everybody agrees on http://pharo-project.org/documentation/pharo-in-research ? Cheers, Alexandre On 22 Sep 2010, at 07:15, laurent laffont wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to create a webpage that lists papers about Pharo. > There were some announcements on smalltalk-research(a)googlegroups.com, but it is not really useful for me to keep track of what's going on. > Maybe a page accessible from > http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > or http://www.pharo-project.org/about/ > will be good. > > I like the idea. Why not http://pharo-project.org/documentation/research-papers ? > > Laurent > > > If the community agrees on this, I am willing to lead this effort. > Opinion? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharocasts: Document with HelpSystem

by Alexandre Bergel

Indeed, Help and Tutorial are really easy to use. Alexandre On 19 Sep 2010, at 16:31, laurent laffont wrote: > You will learn how to: > - write an HelpSystem book > - use PackageAPIHelpBuilder to generate the API documentation of a package > - create your own builder to dynamically create a documentation from the system > > Starting from now, no excuses to not write documentation ;) > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/09/document-with-helpsystem.html > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Vm-dev] Weak finalization enh. are still not integrated into VM(s)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks David too many emails and flood of information. Stef On Sep 22, 2010, at 2:20 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > FYI, the change sets were posted on Mantis, so you can use that for > reference also. I'm not sure if these are the final versions, but they > should be close. > > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7473 > > Dave > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:52:37AM +0200, St?phane Ducasse wrote: >> Andreas >> >> we cannot simply merge package of squeak (we would get all their changes and we have to sort). >> I asked igor to see if he can publish code to be integrated in pharo. >> >>> are there any plans to integrate this in Pharo? >> >> Yes but we do not have the time. >> Again for the weak changes somebody with a bit of time and concentration can help. >> So far we cannot. >> >>> As I want to do some experiments with Magma I am specially interested in Pharo-1.1 for it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andreas >>> >>>>>>> I am also uploaded a slice of system changes with new classes & rest >>>>>>> of stuff into inbox: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CollectionsTests-Igor.Stasenko.169 >>>>>>> Collections-Igor.Stasenko.370 >>>>>>> Kernel-Igor.Stasenko.478 >>>>>>> System-Igor.Stasenko.358 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> note, that despite of these changes, system are still using old >>>>>>> WeakRegistry instance, >>>>>>> and obviously 'WeakRegistry default' needs to be modified to be >>>>>>> replaced with new functionality. >>>>>> >>>>>> These inbox changes are out of date with respect to the trunk, so >>>>>> would need to be merged with care. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, i did not updated the image before applying changesets. >>>>> >>>>>> But aside from that, is there >>>>>> any reason that your changes should *not* be moved into trunk now? >>>>>> If no objections, then we should include them now. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are a couple of doits, which should be invoked after loading changes: >>>>> >>>>> WeakArray restartFinalizationProcess >>>>> and of couse >>>>> Smalltalk recreateSpecialObjectsArray >>>>> >>>>> Btw, i found that in image i was using, >>>>> Smalltalk specialObjectsArray size >>>>> was 50 >>>>> while in #recreateSpecialObjectsArray method there was already 55 entries >>>>> (and with weak finalization it should be 56). >>>> >>>> This should already be updated in trunk: >>>> >>>> Name: System-dtl.333 >>>> Author: dtl >>>> Time: 25 May 2010, 9:00:22.752 pm >>>> Ancestors: System-spd.332 >>>> Update SmalltalkImage>>recreateSpecialObjectsArray for support of Alien and improved >>>> finalization (Mantis 7473). Corresponding VM support is in SqS/VMMaker-dtl.175. >>>> >>>> So after a #recreateSpecialObjectsArray the size is 56, and the last slot >>>> is used for WeakFinalizer if present in the image. >>>> >>>> I think that everything is ready for your WeakFinalizer updates. Unless >>>> there are any other issues, please just go ahead and commit them to trunk. >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I understand that the VM changes are not yet available in the >>>>>> official VMs, but this should be corrected the next time that new >>>>>> VMs are distributed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks, David. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Vm-dev] Weak finalization enh. are still not integrated into VM(s)

by David T. Lewis

FYI, the change sets were posted on Mantis, so you can use that for reference also. I'm not sure if these are the final versions, but they should be close. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7473 Dave On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:52:37AM +0200, St?phane Ducasse wrote: > Andreas > > we cannot simply merge package of squeak (we would get all their changes and we have to sort). > I asked igor to see if he can publish code to be integrated in pharo. > > > are there any plans to integrate this in Pharo? > > Yes but we do not have the time. > Again for the weak changes somebody with a bit of time and concentration can help. > So far we cannot. > > > As I want to do some experiments with Magma I am specially interested in Pharo-1.1 for it. > > > > Regards, > > Andreas > > > >>>>> I am also uploaded a slice of system changes with new classes & rest > >>>>> of stuff into inbox: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> CollectionsTests-Igor.Stasenko.169 > >>>>> Collections-Igor.Stasenko.370 > >>>>> Kernel-Igor.Stasenko.478 > >>>>> System-Igor.Stasenko.358 > >>>>> > >>>>> note, that despite of these changes, system are still using old > >>>>> WeakRegistry instance, > >>>>> and obviously 'WeakRegistry default' needs to be modified to be > >>>>> replaced with new functionality. > >>>> > >>>> These inbox changes are out of date with respect to the trunk, so > >>>> would need to be merged with care. > >>> > >>> Yeah, i did not updated the image before applying changesets. > >>> > >>>> But aside from that, is there > >>>> any reason that your changes should *not* be moved into trunk now? > >>>> If no objections, then we should include them now. > >>>> > >>> > >>> There are a couple of doits, which should be invoked after loading changes: > >>> > >>> WeakArray restartFinalizationProcess > >>> and of couse > >>> Smalltalk recreateSpecialObjectsArray > >>> > >>> Btw, i found that in image i was using, > >>> Smalltalk specialObjectsArray size > >>> was 50 > >>> while in #recreateSpecialObjectsArray method there was already 55 entries > >>> (and with weak finalization it should be 56). > >> > >> This should already be updated in trunk: > >> > >> Name: System-dtl.333 > >> Author: dtl > >> Time: 25 May 2010, 9:00:22.752 pm > >> Ancestors: System-spd.332 > >> Update SmalltalkImage>>recreateSpecialObjectsArray for support of Alien and improved > >> finalization (Mantis 7473). Corresponding VM support is in SqS/VMMaker-dtl.175. > >> > >> So after a #recreateSpecialObjectsArray the size is 56, and the last slot > >> is used for WeakFinalizer if present in the image. > >> > >> I think that everything is ready for your WeakFinalizer updates. Unless > >> there are any other issues, please just go ahead and commit them to trunk. > >> > >> :) > >> > >> Dave > >> > >>> > >>>> I understand that the VM changes are not yet available in the > >>>> official VMs, but this should be corrected the next time that new > >>>> VMs are distributed. > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Thanks, David. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] Colstme in September

by Alexander LazareviÄ

Hi! Just a short reminder that the next Cologne Smalltalk Meetup will be happening next Thursday at the usual time and location. For any details have a look at [1]. Cheers, Alex [1] http://colstme.selfish.org/events/2010.4-Stammtisch

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Webpage for research paper about Pharo?

by Geert Claes

+1 laurent laffont wrote: > > I like the idea. Why not > http://pharo-project.org/documentation/research-papers ? > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Webpage-for-research-paper-about-Pharo-tp2549096p2550… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Webpage for research paper about Pharo?

by laurent laffont

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to create a webpage that lists papers about Pharo. > There were some announcements on smalltalk-research(a)googlegroups.com, but > it is not really useful for me to keep track of what's going on. > Maybe a page accessible from > http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > or http://www.pharo-project.org/about/ > will be good. > I like the idea. Why not http://pharo-project.org/documentation/research-papers ? Laurent > > If the community agrees on this, I am willing to lead this effort. > Opinion? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 22, 2010