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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] The Trunk: System-eem.366.mcz

by Adrian Lienhard

I created a changeset and attached it to the appropriate ticket: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2896 Adrian On Sep 1, 2010, at 09:52 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > seems like we should do something :) > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> >> Date: September 1, 2010 1:12:28 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] The Trunk: System-eem.366.mcz >> Reply-To: johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com >> >> In case this gets overlooked being hidden in a update for The Trunk: System-eem. >> >> The EndianCache does need to be cleared at shutdown versus in startup. >> I can't speak for the SystemChangeNotifier since I'm not sure what the bug is.. >> >> Of course I'm not quite sure if anyone in the Pharo group looks and the trunk updates and moves things across? >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: commits(a)source.squeak.org >>> Date: August 31, 2010 5:47:35 PM PDT >>> To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org, packages(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >>> Subject: [squeak-dev] The Trunk: System-eem.366.mcz >>> Reply-To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >>> >>> Eliot Miranda uploaded a new version of System to project The Trunk: >>> http://source.squeak.org/trunk/System-eem.366.mcz >>> >>> ==================== Summary ==================== >>> >>> Name: System-eem.366 >>> Author: eem >>> Time: 31 August 2010, 10:47:17.97 am >>> UUID: 2126e5d9-4d47-4cc1-921f-daefd935aedd >>> Ancestors: System-nice.365 >>> >>> Make sure system notifications for Smalltalk are up-to-date >>> on start-up. >>> Fix voiding of Smalltalk's endian cache which needs to be done >>> in a timely manner. >>> >>> =============== Diff against System-nice.365 =============== >>> >>> Item was changed: >>> ----- Method: SmalltalkImage class>>startUp (in category 'class initialization') ----- >>> startUp >>> + SystemChangeNotifier uniqueInstance notify: Smalltalk ofAllSystemChangesUsing: #event:! >>> - "XXXX: This is broken. SmalltalkImage startUp happens quite late in the startup sequence; earlier startups may very well need the information about the endianness of the platform." >>> - EndianCache := nil. >>> - ! >>> >>> Item was changed: >>> ----- Method: SmalltalkImage>>processShutDownList: (in category 'snapshot and quit') ----- >>> processShutDownList: quitting >>> + "Send #shutDown to each class that needs to wrap up before a snapshot. >>> + Also void the endianness chace; this can't safely be done on start-up because >>> + Smalltalk is too late in the start-up sequence." >>> - "Send #shutDown to each class that needs to wrap up before a snapshot." >>> >>> + EndianCache := nil. >>> + self send: #shutDown: toClassesNamedIn: ShutDownList with: quitting! >>> - self send: #shutDown: toClassesNamedIn: ShutDownList with: quitting. >>> - ! >>> >>> >> >> -- >> =========================================================================== >> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 >> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >> =========================================================================== >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 1, 2010

[Pharo-project] Linux vm default plugins directory

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

A recurring theme is that I encounter a problem for which there is no explanation from the system, hack the vm sources to add some tracing, and correct the problem. As a result, I end up building the vm from source and so tend to use a shell script that runs it. FWIW, without a -plugins option, this is what happens with the current sources: Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.vm-sound-OSS Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.vm-sound-MacOSX Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.vm-sound-Sun Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.vm-sound-pulse Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.vm-sound-ALSA Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.MiscPrimitivePlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.FilePlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.SecurityPlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.LargeIntegers Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.BitBltPlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.B2DPlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.LocalePlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.SocketPlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.FloatArrayPlugin Load failed for: /usr/local/lib/squeak/4.0.3-2202//so.Matrix2x3Plugin Note the extra / in the paths. Some of the plugins should fail to load; the point is that *all* of them fail to load. Bill

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] MethodName

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I have a 12121, it works very well! > I will use it. > > Is there a configuration I can use instead of the gofer invocation? Why? Does it depend on strange things? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Friedrich, If you find ways to reliably interact with M$ software, let us know. Similarly, feel free to ask for help here as you work on the (no doubt many) problems that might arise along the way. I do everything I can reasonably do to get M$ out of my life, but as I have freely admitted, there are times when their products can be either wanted by a paying customer or simply a quick means to finish a throw-away project. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Friedrich Dominicus [frido(a)q-software-solutions.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:46 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports? "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > No argument that MS wants to kill COM in favor of .NET, and once they > do that, they will churn the market again as soon as they can manage > it - it's what they do. Well yes, I'm afraid you're right about it. > They've been sufficiently ineffective at it > that the result is hardly "writing software over and over" but it is > very annoying to watch working things break over time. Well that *is* the biggest problem for "independent" software developers not owning either MS ;-(, Java, or whatever. > These > annoyances combined with the general merit of Linux distributions of > late led me to make the switch. In short, you are preaching to the > choir :) I'm using Linux since the Floppy days. But my customers won't they will probably stick to MS well for the next forseeable or not so forseeable future. > > Let's be honest a third time :) Word is trash. Well agreed, it may have get better since Word 6.0 but that was an accident waiting to be happen. I remember having written chapter of my degrees one by one and just throw it together at the end. I was not allowed to use LaTeX to that time... Well now I have the choice, but I've to get my customers with me.... > Open Office Calc is really pretty good. Since you (wisely) distrust > Microsoft, I find it strange that you are content to throw around the > "Office is standard" mantra. Sorry, none of my customers uses anything but MS Office. So it's "standard" for them. > True or not, there are alternatives (in the case of LaTeX, a paradigm > shift from fussing with formatting to thinking about structure) and > ways to have data in simple formats that will still be around long > after Microsoft starts to kill off .NET's successor. Well guess what my first idea was. Using some Smalltalk and using LaTeX for the diverse invoices etc. Maybe this was not so unsound.... > You can set > yourself up for more pain, or design for the minimum amount of > Microsoft involvement that will solve your problems. There are some > good options in this thread, or you can polish up your .NET compiler, > while it still has time ;) Thanks for such kind of encouragement ;-( Regards Friedrich -- Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Deleted or renamed behaviors

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Stef, I don't aspire an advanced tool or even build a model for this, just a tool for the short-term to track removed methods names or modified selectors so I can see what is the new selector or equivalent method to use instead, if such exists in the current image. HernÃ¡n 2010/9/1 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > what is the idea? > > What we want to do with veronica is > Â Â Â Â - get a declarative code model (MC2/Ginsu) --> > Â Â Â Â - put all the version of squeak and pharo in a Gemstone DB > Â Â Â Â - make sure that we can do historized queries > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â sender in version 1.0 > Â Â Â Â - diff between versions > > Stef > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:17 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> Ok, thanks for the reply. I've created a repository in SqS for a tool >> supporting better tracking of change history >> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/ChangeTracker.html >> >> please do not hesitate to contact me to join this project. I'm >> planning to use the OB framework but any suggestions are welcomed. >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> 2010/8/31 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> not directly but indeed we should be much more imaginative with our tools. >>> Now I'm spending my time on not really funny or exciting actions so I do not have time >>> to invent new stuff and this is bad. >>> I'm trying to make sure that this situation will change but so far still crawling. >>> This is why we will add RB in Unstable because we should use powertools in Unstable. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:46 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Is there a tool to observe the replacements of renamed or removed >>>> methods in Pharo? >>>> Because it happened to me several times, when loading a package in >>>> Pharo two or three months after I've released something, there are >>>> methods removed and I have to search the change comments everywhere >>>> (change log, mailing list, issues list, etc) and figure out the >>>> replacements, and sometimes it isn't so direct. >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> HernÃ¡n >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] MethodName

by Alexandre Bergel

I have a 12121, it works very well! I will use it. Is there a configuration I can use instead of the gofer invocation? Cheers, Alexandre On 1 Sep 2010, at 08:22, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/8/30 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > I attached PharoDebug.log > > did you try it in Pharo1.2 - 12109 ? ? > > > > Alexandre > > > > On 30 Aug 2010, at 09:12, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > excellent we spent the week-end (or the part allocated to code) chasing it. > > Which image? version.... > > > > We do not understand why fileIn has a problem when MethodReference get a real timestamp. > > Stef > > > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> I can't load it. I've got an error: Instances of Timestamp are not indexable > >> > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> On 29 Aug 2010, at 22:07, Benjamin Van Ryseghem wrote: > >> > >>> Hello everyone > >>> > >>> As you may already known, I'm working on a new tool named MethodName which is the merge of MethodFinder and MessagesName with some cool improvement :) > >>> > >>> It works on Pharo1.2 - 12109 because it needs NullTextStyler ( > >>> Gofer new > >>> squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > >>> package: 'NullTextStyler'; > >>> load.) > >>> > >>> You can download the sources by evaluating this : > >>> > >>> Gofer new > >>> squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > >>> package: 'MethodName'; > >>> load. > >>> > >>> For opening a new MethodName window there's two ways : > >>> - evaluate : MethodName new openInWorld. > >>> - click World >> Tools >> Method Name > >>> > >>> > >>> How it works : > >>> - You choose thank to the radio button where you want to search (Selectors / Class names/ Source) > >>> - You type the text you want to search : > >>> + Source : > >>> 1) *string or string or string* or *string* -> it answers all the methods which source contains string > >>> 2) begin*end -> it answers all the methods which source contains begin(whatever)end. > >>> + Class names : > >>> 1) name -> it answers the class which the name is name > >>> 2) name* / *name / *name* / begin*end ... -> * replaces any string. > >>> + Selectors: > >>> 1) the same behaviour that for class names > >>> 2) the behaviour of MethodFinder > >>> > >>> Moreover you can reduce the field of search by clicking on "Change environment" which open a PackageChooser window. > >>> A PackageChooser let you choose the set of classes which will be browsed during the search. > >>> > >>> The left list shows all the available packages and the right list shows the already selected packages. > >>> To add packages, just select them then click ">" to add them or click ">>" to select all the packages. It's the same to remove packages. > >>> > >>> Instead of browsing tons of packages in the goal of finding the one you want, you can use the text field to enter the name of the package or a part of the name using some *. > >>> > >>> When all the packages are selected, just click "Ok" :) > >>> > >>> I hope it's a bit clear and a bit useful ^^ > >>> > >>> Benjamin > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Off Topic] What are you using to write reports?

by Yang Ha Nguyen

Hi Friedrich, On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:40:33PM +0200, Friedrich Dominicus wrote: >Yang Ha Nguyen <cmpitg(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Oh, I didn't know that OpenOffice.org Basic is a spreadsheet software. >Did not wrote it's software. It was about scripting the OpenOffice >packages. >> I doubt I've ever heard of its name as an spreadsheet application. M$ >> Excel just works with its own closed source VBA version, my >> OpenOffice.org Calc works with VBA, Python, and Java scripting >> languages. >I did not know that Calc works with VBA. I though it was the Basic of >OpenOffice itself. > >>I've never spent a lot of time writing and maintaining >> source code with Python as with VB. What makes it not a good competitor >> to M$ Excel? >I'm fully with you, but my customers not. They use MS software every day >in every form you can imagine. That I post here suggests that I'm not >"bound" to it but it's probably important for my customers.... > >So not pun intended for any other tool besided MS-Office tools. It's >just what my customers are used to.... > >-- >Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim >Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus > >_______________________________________________ >Pharo-project mailing list >Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project I see. Open source has been having many problems with business for years. And it seems like there would be no thorough solution for it in near future. Your customers don't have the freedom in software, thus restrict your freedom in software as well. Best regards, -- Yang Nguyen Web log: http://cmpitg.wordpress.com/ Life is a hack

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Friedrich Dominicus

Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> writes: > Hi Friedrick, > > In Aida and specially Scribo CMS we now support the commercial Prince > PDF generator (http://www.princexml.com) Prince converts HTML + CSS3 > into nicelly formated printable documents, with page numbers, Table of > contents with page numbers and such things, necessary for professionally > looking documents, while reatining the original documents in strictly > standard HTML/CSS format. Prince is developed with help of one of > authors of CSS standard, so you can expect the true support as > advertised. Thank you very much for that suggestion. Regards Friedrich -- Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Friedrich Dominicus

"Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> writes: > No argument that MS wants to kill COM in favor of .NET, and once they > do that, they will churn the market again as soon as they can manage > it - it's what they do. Well yes, I'm afraid you're right about it. > They've been sufficiently ineffective at it > that the result is hardly "writing software over and over" but it is > very annoying to watch working things break over time. Well that *is* the biggest problem for "independent" software developers not owning either MS ;-(, Java, or whatever. > These > annoyances combined with the general merit of Linux distributions of > late led me to make the switch. In short, you are preaching to the > choir :) I'm using Linux since the Floppy days. But my customers won't they will probably stick to MS well for the next forseeable or not so forseeable future. > > Let's be honest a third time :) Word is trash. Well agreed, it may have get better since Word 6.0 but that was an accident waiting to be happen. I remember having written chapter of my degrees one by one and just throw it together at the end. I was not allowed to use LaTeX to that time... Well now I have the choice, but I've to get my customers with me.... > Open Office Calc is really pretty good. Since you (wisely) distrust > Microsoft, I find it strange that you are content to throw around the > "Office is standard" mantra. Sorry, none of my customers uses anything but MS Office. So it's "standard" for them. > True or not, there are alternatives (in the case of LaTeX, a paradigm > shift from fussing with formatting to thinking about structure) and > ways to have data in simple formats that will still be around long > after Microsoft starts to kill off .NET's successor. Well guess what my first idea was. Using some Smalltalk and using LaTeX for the diverse invoices etc. Maybe this was not so unsound.... > You can set > yourself up for more pain, or design for the minimum amount of > Microsoft involvement that will solve your problems. There are some > good options in this thread, or you can polish up your .NET compiler, > while it still has time ;) Thanks for such kind of encouragement ;-( Regards Friedrich -- Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus

Sept. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What are you using to write reports?

by Friedrich Dominicus

Yang Ha Nguyen <cmpitg(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Oh, I didn't know that OpenOffice.org Basic is a spreadsheet software. Did not wrote it's software. It was about scripting the OpenOffice packages. > I doubt I've ever heard of its name as an spreadsheet application. M$ > Excel just works with its own closed source VBA version, my > OpenOffice.org Calc works with VBA, Python, and Java scripting > languages. I did not know that Calc works with VBA. I though it was the Basic of OpenOffice itself. >I've never spent a lot of time writing and maintaining > source code with Python as with VB. What makes it not a good competitor > to M$ Excel? I'm fully with you, but my customers not. They use MS software every day in every form you can imagine. That I post here suggests that I'm not "bound" to it but it's probably important for my customers.... So not pun intended for any other tool besided MS-Office tools. It's just what my customers are used to.... -- Q-Software Solutions GmbH; Sitz: Bruchsal; Registergericht: Mannheim Registriernummer: HRB232138; Geschaeftsfuehrer: Friedrich Dominicus

Sept. 1, 2010