September 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] A thought about the fear of not knowing

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi Pharoers, lurkers, users We repeat all over the same: we welcome you to participate and while we are cool and welcoming, you feel "oh I cannot, I do not know, this is complex..." You look at us like Gurus, but let us be clear, we are not, we are just common people that have a debugger, kids in the bed and good music in the background (for me Cool Jazz or Thrash Metal). Of course some parts of the system are ugly, buggy, britlle, messy... but less and less, more and more good abstractions are taking life AND!!!! First, we are all learners and newbie on something (at least the mortal among us) but to learn we should start somewhere Second, start small - we tag some bug entries as easy, give a try. - put a break point in the code - write a test - do something fun You will not fail, why? because either you do not find anything and there is no problem but you will learn something and you can pass to the next one. Or you find something and you got it :) We did that with marcus when we were squeak harvesters. There were a lot of things we could not get but we pass to the next. :) Now I browse bugs bugs and bugs and I can tell you that 85% of the bugs are terribly stupid. Even more. So focus on these ones :) Pharo is the system we (you and us) will build. Stef

Sept. 8, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12126

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

After this little breaks in integration I feel another wave of good fixes before ESUG :) At ESUG I'm in the mood to have regular hacking sessions will be fun. 12126 ----- - Issue 2918: Category inconsistency in ClassDescription. Thanks Nicolas Paez. - Issue 2882: recategorize Magnitude>> max: min:,.... Thanks Jaayer - Issue 2877: remove all methods that are equally defined in superclass. Thanks Marcus Denker. - Issue 2909: BehaviorTest is dependent on Morphic. Thanks Pavel Krivanek. - Issue 2884: TComparable. Thanks Jaayer Stef

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] simpleLog in pharo?

by Dale Henrichs

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I will chekc I would like an object that represent wht is logged. > do you have that? > I do not want strings strings strings. > > On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:39 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > >> On 09/08/2010 11:45 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> + 1 >>> If someone could look at simpleLog (because we need to change this situation and get a good logging mechanism) >>> We need much better infrastructure.... and we will build them. >> I wrote SimpleLog (in the Gjallar project) and feel free to pick/use it - it is small and maps easily to Syslog (I copied the levels that syslog has) and also has a syslog emitter which is *very* nice when you build Seaside apps and want to run multiple images with a load balancer in front for example. >> >> There are several logging libs but... well, I think SimpleLog strikes a nice balance of functionality and simplicity. >> >> regards, GÃ¶ran >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project In GLASS we have the ObjectLog ... the implementation is based upon RCQueue's (so that multiple vm's can concurrently add entries), but it is can be thought of as an OrderedCollection ObjectLogEntry instances: Object subclass: 'ObjectLogEntry' instVarNames: #( pid stamp label priority object tag) classVars: #( ObjectLog ObjectQueue) classInstVars: #() poolDictionaries: #[] inDictionary: '' category: 'Bootstrap-Gemstone' The pid and ObjectQueue are GemStone-specific ... - stamp DateAndTime - label String - priority Integer - object Object - tag Object GLASS has an ObjectLog component for viewing the object log ... inspector for in-image-viewing. There are currently 7 priorities defined: fatal - 1 error - 2 warn - 3 info - 4 debug - 5 trace - 6 transcript - 7 Yes Transcript messages are added to the ObjectLog ... very convenient ... Entries are added to the log via something like the following: (ObjectLogEntry info: 'label string' object: #( #hello 'world') addToLog. For GLASS I have a handful of subclasses of ObjectLogEntry that store things like a continuation and/or the url that caused the error... Dale

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Luckily we have the "secret talks" on wednesday and even mariano failed to know what it will be :) > > Do the presenters of the "secret talks" know that they will present something? why you stress? LOL You gave me some great ideas.... But normally not. :) Stef

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson

by Lukas Renggli

> Luckily we have the "secret talks" on wednesday and even mariano failed to know what it will be :) Do the presenters of the "secret talks" know that they will present something? Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Gees if you spoil the secret in advance :) Luckily we have the "secret talks" on wednesday and even mariano failed to know what it will be :) Stef On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Did you check the README file of the distribution? > > http://github.com/renggli/builder > > Also come to my ESUG presentation on Thursday titled "Agile Seaside", > I might show Hudson there :-) > > Lukas > > On 8 September 2010 21:07, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> Would someone give a brief summary of how Hudson is being used by Pharo? (I >> googled and have a general understanding of what Hudson is) >> >> Thanks. >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Hudson-tp2531857p2531857.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Hudson

by Lukas Renggli

Did you check the README file of the distribution? http://github.com/renggli/builder Also come to my ESUG presentation on Thursday titled "Agile Seaside", I might show Hudson there :-) Lukas On 8 September 2010 21:07, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Would someone give a brief summary of how Hudson is being used by Pharo? Â (I > googled and have a general understanding of what Hudson is) > > Thanks. > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Hudson-tp2531857p2531857.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Sept. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue reported: Category inconsistency in ClassDescription

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks! On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:50 PM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > I have added a new issue to the tracker: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2918 > > > Description: > If you browse the ClassDescription class you will find two different categories that I think conceptually are the same: filein/out and fileIn/Out (just a casing difference). > > Regards > Nico. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 8, 2010

[Pharo-project] Hudson

by Sean P. DeNigris

Would someone give a brief summary of how Hudson is being used by Pharo? (I googled and have a general understanding of what Hudson is) Thanks. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Hudson-tp2531857p2531857.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2010

[Pharo-project] Issue reported: Category inconsistency in ClassDescription

by NicolÃ¡s Paez

I have added a new issue to the tracker: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2918 Description: If you browse the ClassDescription class you will find two different categories that I think conceptually are the same: filein/out and fileIn/Out (just a casing difference). Regards Nico. blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com

Sept. 8, 2010