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Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily?

by Lukas Renggli

On 18 August 2010 00:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Lukas, > > Interesting! Â How do I get rid of my tasks then, traits?? Uhh? That has nothing to do with traits. http://book.seaside.st/book/components/calling/show-answer Lukas > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:53 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily? > > On 17 August 2010 23:36, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> The answer in general is "no." Â The only caveat with Seaside code is that (I gues due to continuations??), it is possible to make simple mistakes with harsh consequences. Â My early attempts at Seaside programming were not pretty; with two books now available, it should be easier to start out knowing not to render in callbacks and vice versa. >> >> Is the Seaside code in this case poorly-behaved? > > Seaside doesn't use continuations anymore, unless you have a WATask. > > Continuations do not affect the interrupt behavior. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Lukas, Interesting! How do I get rid of my tasks then, traits?? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily? On 17 August 2010 23:36, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Hello all, > > The answer in general is "no." Â The only caveat with Seaside code is that (I gues due to continuations??), it is possible to make simple mistakes with harsh consequences. Â My early attempts at Seaside programming were not pretty; with two books now available, it should be easier to start out knowing not to render in callbacks and vice versa. > > Is the Seaside code in this case poorly-behaved? Seaside doesn't use continuations anymore, unless you have a WATask. Continuations do not affect the interrupt behavior. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily?

by Lukas Renggli

On 17 August 2010 23:36, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Hello all, > > The answer in general is "no." Â The only caveat with Seaside code is that (I gues due to continuations??), it is possible to make simple mistakes with harsh consequences. Â My early attempts at Seaside programming were not pretty; with two books now available, it should be easier to start out knowing not to render in callbacks and vice versa. > > Is the Seaside code in this case poorly-behaved? Seaside doesn't use continuations anymore, unless you have a WATask. Continuations do not affect the interrupt behavior. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, The answer in general is "no." The only caveat with Seaside code is that (I gues due to continuations??), it is possible to make simple mistakes with harsh consequences. My early attempts at Seaside programming were not pretty; with two books now available, it should be easier to start out knowing not to render in callbacks and vice versa. Is the Seaside code in this case poorly-behaved? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:04 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; panu.suominen(a)iki.fi Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Should I be able to hang my pharo 1.1 image so easily? thanks for reporting that. do you have a case that we could reproduce or have an image people could access? Stef On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Panu Suominen wrote: > I think I have the same problem. It does not actually jam the image > right away but makes it really slow which renders it unusable. After a > while memory runs out and it crashes. Have not seen this many times > thou. It would help if there was a key sequence which would suspend > other than UI process. > > -- > Panu > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I just call the variable 'enabledPlus' then :-( > > I don't understand....did you do it or not? I don't see the commit... thanks anyway > Lukas > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > > >> Removing them is cool, but there should be a grace period where they > >> are deprecated. Now I had to duplicate the whole class in OB with a > >> uniue name. > >> > > can it be that this class has a var that we pushed up the hierarchy? At > least > > when I try to load OB in 1.2, I get an error message like that... > > > > > > Yes, now OB doesn't load in 1.2 because OBPluggableButtonMorph extends > from PluggableButtonMorph it seems that now both of them has an instVar > called 'enable'. > > > > So...the same problem as Shout loading in 1.2......the simplest solution > seems to rename one of the isntVar and once they migrate to 1.2 use the > same. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> > wrote: > >>> Sorry, that was Stef and I at Camp Smalltalk. Did feel good to be rid > of XYZPlus classes though ;-) > >>> > >>> Regards, Gary > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> > >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:07 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks Lukas. I wasn't who remove that class neither who didn't > deprecated. > >>> I am just trying to start building Dev images from now...otherwise, we > will > >>> have to wait a lot of time once the core is released. > >>> > >>> > >>> I think there must be a delay between the release of the core and the > >>> non-core images. I don't see how that can otherwise work. Of course it > >>> makes sense to have some incremental adaption already upfront ... > >>> > >>> > >>> Hmm... one thing is clear: I want to use Refactoring and especially the > >>> Code Critique tool on 1.2. So I need to somehow load it. > >>> > >>> > >>> Yeah that make sense, but I cannot maintain code that I can't use. > >>> > >>> Lukas > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> (2 pages of philosophical ramblings deleted... I should start a blog..) > >>> > >>> Marcus > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > >>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Lukas Renggli > >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Lukas Renggli > >> www.lukas-renggli.ch > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 17, 2010

[Pharo-project] TextEditor>>possiblyChanged broke TextEditor quite well :(

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)gmail.com> > Date: August 17, 2010 10:46:05 PM GMT+02:00 > To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Subject: TextEditor>>possiblyChanged broke TextEditor quite well :( > > > Hi fernando > > apparently in TextEditor>>stateArrayPut: stateArray there is call to possiblyChanged which does not exist in pharo or Squeak > > TextEditor>>stateArrayPut: stateArray > | sel | > sel := stateArray at: 1. > self selectFrom: sel first to: sel last. > beginTypeInBlock := stateArray at: 2. > emphasisHere := stateArray at: 3. > morph possiblyChanged > > And this breaks the system when I try to integrate the ParagraphEditro replacement.... lost laready a couple of hours > > In CUIS it is defined as > > > PluggableTextMorph>>possiblyChanged > "A hook for notificating possible interested parties > Not used in base system" > > > TextMorph>>possiblyChanged > > TextMorphForEditView>>possiblyChanged > editView possiblyChanged > > > So? > Do we need that? if not we should remove all the senders > Stef > > > > > > >

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2

by Lukas Renggli

Or you would keep the empty but deprecated class PluggableButtonMorphPlus in the image and make everybody happy :-) On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I just call the variable 'enabledPlus' then :-( > > Lukas > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >>> Removing them is cool, but there should be a grace period where they >>> are deprecated. Now I had to duplicate the whole class in OB with a >>> uniue name. >>> >> can it be that this class has a var that we pushed up the hierarchy? At least >> when I try to load OB in 1.2, I get an error message like that... >> >> >> Yes, now OB doesn't load in 1.2 because OBPluggableButtonMorph extends from PluggableButtonMorph it seems that now both of them has an instVar called 'enable'. >> >> So...the same problem as Shout loading in 1.2......the simplest solution seems to rename one of the isntVar and once they migrate to 1.2 use the same. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>> Sorry, that was Stef and I at Camp Smalltalk. Did feel good to be rid of XYZPlus classes though ;-) >>>> >>>> Regards, Gary >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Lukas. I wasn't who remove that class neither who didn't deprecated. >>>> I am just trying to start building Dev images from now...otherwise, we will >>>> have to wait a lot of time once the core is released. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think there must be a delay between the release of the core and the >>>> non-core images. I don't see how that can otherwise work. Of course it >>>> makes sense to have some incremental adaption already upfront ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmm... one thing is clear: I want to use Refactoring and especially the >>>> Code Critique tool on 1.2. So I need to somehow load it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah that make sense, but I cannot maintain code that I can't use. >>>> >>>> Lukas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (2 pages of philosophical ramblings deleted... I should start a blog..) >>>> >>>> Â Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lukas Renggli >>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________-- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2

by Lukas Renggli

Well, I just call the variable 'enabledPlus' then :-( Lukas On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> Removing them is cool, but there should be a grace period where they >> are deprecated. Now I had to duplicate the whole class in OB with a >> uniue name. >> > can it be that this class has a var that we pushed up the hierarchy? At least > when I try to load OB in 1.2, I get an error message like that... > > > Yes, now OB doesn't load in 1.2 because OBPluggableButtonMorph extends from PluggableButtonMorph it seems that now both of them has an instVar called 'enable'. > > So...the same problem as Shout loading in 1.2......the simplest solution seems to rename one of the isntVar and once they migrate to 1.2 use the same. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>> Sorry, that was Stef and I at Camp Smalltalk. Did feel good to be rid of XYZPlus classes though ;-) >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2 >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks Lukas. I wasn't who remove that class neither who didn't deprecated. >>> I am just trying to start building Dev images from now...otherwise, we will >>> have to wait a lot of time once the core is released. >>> >>> >>> I think there must be a delay between the release of the core and the >>> non-core images. I don't see how that can otherwise work. Of course it >>> makes sense to have some incremental adaption already upfront ... >>> >>> >>> Hmm... one thing is clear: I want to use Refactoring and especially the >>> Code Critique tool on 1.2. So I need to somehow load it. >>> >>> >>> Yeah that make sense, but I cannot maintain code that I can't use. >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>> >>> >>> (2 pages of philosophical ramblings deleted... I should start a blog..) >>> >>> Â Marcus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > > Removing them is cool, but there should be a grace period where they > > are deprecated. Now I had to duplicate the whole class in OB with a > > uniue name. > > > can it be that this class has a var that we pushed up the hierarchy? At > least > when I try to load OB in 1.2, I get an error message like that... > > Yes, now OB doesn't load in 1.2 because OBPluggableButtonMorph extends from PluggableButtonMorph it seems that now both of them has an instVar called 'enable'. So...the same problem as Shout loading in 1.2......the simplest solution seems to rename one of the isntVar and once they migrate to 1.2 use the same. Cheers Mariano > > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry, that was Stef and I at Camp Smalltalk. Did feel good to be rid of > XYZPlus classes though ;-) > >> > >> Regards, Gary > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <renggli(a)gmail.com> > >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Load OB in Pharo 1.2 > >> > >> > >> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Aug 17, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> > >> > >> Thanks Lukas. I wasn't who remove that class neither who didn't > deprecated. > >> I am just trying to start building Dev images from now...otherwise, we > will > >> have to wait a lot of time once the core is released. > >> > >> > >> I think there must be a delay between the release of the core and the > >> non-core images. I don't see how that can otherwise work. Of course it > >> makes sense to have some incremental adaption already upfront ... > >> > >> > >> Hmm... one thing is clear: I want to use Refactoring and especially the > >> Code Critique tool on 1.2. So I need to somehow load it. > >> > >> > >> Yeah that make sense, but I cannot maintain code that I can't use. > >> > >> Lukas > >> > >> > >> > >> (2 pages of philosophical ramblings deleted... I should start a blog..) > >> > >> Marcus > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Lukas Renggli > >> www.lukas-renggli.ch > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > -- > > Lukas Renggli > > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: break point

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > Opale compiler framework :) > > Opale is from cote d'opale and its lovely cap blanc nez and dunes :) > http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/672x463/0/41/15/99/Entre-ciel-et-terre/Wissa… > > http://www.google.fr/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=cap+blanc+nez&oe=UTF-8&r… > > Now we just need the summer to get back in less than a year :) And here summer often is on a Tuesday, as the saying goes. But it's really nice, the cap blac nez with good weather. Ah, and the brainstorming for the name went like this (shortened): Compiler. Translator? Hmm. It does have many Visitors. Maybe Louvre? No... closer to the region. :-) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Aug. 17, 2010