August 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] DevTools on PharoCore 1.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <gsa(a)arsol.net> wrote: > Hi! > > How I should install some devtools (at least shout and ocompletion) on > PharoCore to have a more homy work environment? > > What is the problem with OCompletion? Did you try to load? erros? which ones? I guess the easier way is trying to evaluate this: (ConfigurationOfOCompletion project version: '1.1-baseline') load but you will fail because Shout is a depenency of OCompletion ;) > I failed with shout, saw some threads about, but can't install it.... > > You should do what Gary said here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2734 > Thanks. > > -- > ================================================= > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > ================================================= > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 23, 2010

[Pharo-project] DevTools on PharoCore 1.2

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi! How I should install some devtools (at least shout and ocompletion) on PharoCore to have a more homy work environment? I failed with shout, saw some threads about, but can't install it.... Thanks. -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by Henrik Johansen

On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:28 28PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Odd, my 3.9 works. > > Method ByteArray>>asInteger by "len 10/15/2002 18:45" > > Regards, Gary > Integer >> asByteArray is in a 1.0 image, introduced when MD5 was put into core. Maybe you have the Cryptography package in your 3.9 image, and that included it? Cheers, Henry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 >> >> 3107 apparently. >> >> c.f. >> #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray > > > This is what I tried > #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger on my old 3.9 7067 final image and it barks. > Then a nice explicit loops should make it too. > > Stef > >> >> Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external devices socket data etc. >> (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >> >> >>> #[12 35] asInteger >>> is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 >>> It does not work in squeak trunk either >>> did not work in 3.9 either. >>> So I'm puzzled. >>> >>> Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions they like. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed from ByteArray for instance... >>>> >>>> Regards, Gary >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >>>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on conversion >>>>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it will >>>>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of 'http://' >>>>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions limit >>>>>> the plague). >>>>> >>>>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) is >>>>> better than '3 seconds'. >>>>> >>>>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way around. >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by Gary Chambers

Odd, my 3.9 works. Method ByteArray>>asInteger by "len 10/15/2002 18:45" Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 > > 3107 apparently. > > c.f. > #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray This is what I tried #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger on my old 3.9 7067 final image and it barks. Then a nice explicit loops should make it too. Stef > > Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external > devices socket data etc. > (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime > > >> #[12 35] asInteger >> is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 >> It does not work in squeak trunk either >> did not work in 3.9 either. >> So I'm puzzled. >> >> Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions >> they like. >> >> Stef >> >> On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed >>> from ByteArray for instance... >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>> >>> >>>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on >>>>> conversion >>>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it >>>>> will >>>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of >>>>> 'http://' >>>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions >>>>> limit >>>>> the plague). >>>> >>>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) >>>> is >>>> better than '3 seconds'. >>>> >>>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way >>>> around. >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gaucho Progress

by Fernando olivero

On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Gaucho looks like an interesting system. Too bad the monticello versions > don't have comments, making it difficult to track progress. Is there another > way to see what's happening? > > Stephan > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 > > 3107 apparently. > > c.f. > #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray This is what I tried #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger on my old 3.9 7067 final image and it barks. Then a nice explicit loops should make it too. Stef > > Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external devices socket data etc. > (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime > > >> #[12 35] asInteger >> is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 >> It does not work in squeak trunk either >> did not work in 3.9 either. >> So I'm puzzled. >> >> Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions they like. >> >> Stef >> >> On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed from ByteArray for instance... >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>> >>> >>>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on conversion >>>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it will >>>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of 'http://' >>>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions limit >>>>> the plague). >>>> >>>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) is >>>> better than '3 seconds'. >>>> >>>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way around. >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] EditorCursorFix: AutoEnclose enhancement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Comment #7 on issue 2653 by fernando22480: Editor cursor fix http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2653 I ran into some problems integrating it. Comments: #moveCursor: directionBlock forward: forward specialBlock: specialBlock select: shouldSelect Wasnt need in Pharo because the sensor is not being asked directly , and the original event is being passed one. Juan's good coding style! Added 1. to enable/disable send TextEditor>>autoEnclose : ( TextEditor class AutoEnclose class variable ). ( in which settings should this go? , or should we make a new TextSettings ? ) 2. TextEditorTest>testAutoEnclose Try it out using NewTextMorph. On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Fernando olivero wrote: > Name: SLICE-Issue-2653-EditorCursorFix-FernandoOlivero.2 > Author: FernandoOlivero > Time: 23 August 2010, 12:15:26 pm > UUID: 28389065-9ee0-4739-99a8-da1e9e94af54 > Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-2653-EditorCursorFix-FernandoOlivero.1 > Dependencies: Polymorph-Tools-Diff-FernandoOlivero.39, System-Text-FernandoOlivero.28, Tests-FernandoOlivero.209 > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by Gary Chambers

He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 3107 apparently. c.f. #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external devices socket data etc. (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime > #[12 35] asInteger > is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 > It does not work in squeak trunk either > did not work in 3.9 either. > So I'm puzzled. > > Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions they > like. > > Stef > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> +1 >> >> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed >> from ByteArray for instance... >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >> >> >>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on >>>> conversion >>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it >>>> will >>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of >>>> 'http://' >>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions >>>> limit >>>> the plague). >>> >>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) >>> is >>> better than '3 seconds'. >>> >>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way around. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

[Pharo-project] EditorCursorFix: AutoEnclose enhancement

by Fernando olivero

Name: SLICE-Issue-2653-EditorCursorFix-FernandoOlivero.2 Author: FernandoOlivero Time: 23 August 2010, 12:15:26 pm UUID: 28389065-9ee0-4739-99a8-da1e9e94af54 Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-2653-EditorCursorFix-FernandoOlivero.1 Dependencies: Polymorph-Tools-Diff-FernandoOlivero.39, System-Text-FernandoOlivero.28, Tests-FernandoOlivero.209

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:57 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > yes! > I did not say anything the last time because I did not want to break the > fun. > Don't hesitate to put some "Guru" tips in comments. Because it's really hard to know its own misconceptions :) I don't think it would break the fun (well.... unless you write "stupid idiot bastard don't use String>>#asUrl burn in hell !!!") but bring emulation. Laurent > > > > > > > 2010/8/23 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:40 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> > >> > >> Indeed I don't like '2010/08/01' asTime, but I like 3 seconds. > >> > > > > And I think the reason is the following: > > > > '2010/08/01' asTime > > > > this is just code... "string, you smalltalk object, please convert > yourself into an object of another class that > > you normally should know too much about". No reason why not to ask the > Time class: hey, time, > > I have a string, can you make a time for me? And it's even nicer... Time > knows about time, string > > about being a string. > > > > > > Yes. So I think I should avoid to show 'http://www.google.com' asUrl in > pharocasts...... > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > > > > BUT: > > > > 1 second + 3 hours > > > > This is different. This is a *domain specific language* for dealing with > time. When you read that, you do > > not think in term of general smalltalk code for coverting between > classes. We are (kind of) outside of > > our language model and the rules we normally follow do not apply. (e.g. > there is no hour and second class...). > > > > Domain specific languages are powerful, and one can abuse them very > easily. > > (am guilty of having written once some awful DSL where even the *name* of > a block > > parameter had semantic meaning ;-) > > > > Marcus > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 23, 2010