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Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by Gary Chambers

Ar, that'd be it... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Johansen" <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:28 28PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Odd, my 3.9 works. > > Method ByteArray>>asInteger by "len 10/15/2002 18:45" > > Regards, Gary > Integer >> asByteArray is in a 1.0 image, introduced when MD5 was put into core. Maybe you have the Cryptography package in your 3.9 image, and that included it? Cheers, Henry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime > > > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 >> >> 3107 apparently. >> >> c.f. >> #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray > > > This is what I tried > #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger on my old 3.9 7067 final image and it > barks. > Then a nice explicit loops should make it too. > > Stef > >> >> Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external >> devices socket data etc. >> (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >> >> >>> #[12 35] asInteger >>> is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 >>> It does not work in squeak trunk either >>> did not work in 3.9 either. >>> So I'm puzzled. >>> >>> Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions >>> they like. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed >>>> from ByteArray for instance... >>>> >>>> Regards, Gary >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >>>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on >>>>>> conversion >>>>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it >>>>>> will >>>>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of >>>>>> 'http://' >>>>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions >>>>>> limit >>>>>> the plague). >>>>> >>>>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) >>>>> is >>>>> better than '3 seconds'. >>>>> >>>>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way >>>>> around. >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] RE: Linux vm

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Subbu, It can still be a serious problem as performance can suffer. In fact, in this case, I am talking about Shared Libraries, not plugins. There is no fallback code; one succeeds in loading the library or the game is over. strace might do the job, but what is wrong with having the vm log what it is trying to do? Bill ________________________________________ From: K. K. Subramaniam [kksubbu.ml(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:33 AM To: vm-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: Schwab,Wilhelm K; Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] RE: Linux vm On Sunday 22 Aug 2010 8:09:22 am Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Is there a way to get such diagnostic information without hacking the vm > source? If not, please consider the following as a proposed patch. I > have tried to strike a balance between seeing enough to make sense of > errant plugin paths and giving detailed information about failures when > given an absolute path In your place, I would have tried ldd(1) or strace(1) to detect path load errors. In general, failing to load a plugin module is not a fatal error. Sometimes, a primtive can fallback to using internal routines if the plugin is not available. Subbu

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gaucho Progress

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

if you want to use me as a guinea pig at esug for an experience with gaucho let me know. On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Fernando olivero wrote: > Hi Stephan, my fault because i neglected to add comments to my commits. I will start adding them now. > > But in my defense i not using Monticello for tracking the progress, but releases. > ( Gaucho1.0 features are listed in the home page ) > > BTW we plan to release Gaucho1.1 before the ESUG, which will come with many new features, which will also be listed there. > Just a preview: > > - In place editors for changing methods statements > - Basic automatic placement for created\imported shapes, not attached to the hand anymore. > - scrollable list widget works with mouse wheel. > - effects/animations to enhance liveness. > - completion widget, working with OModel! ( google like behavior) > - mac style contextual top toolbar ( replaces old cmt-t toolbar on demand) > - settings browser > - improved event/change model > - improved session model > - etc... > > I'll update the web page soon, announcing the new release. > > Thanks for the info, > Please feel free to ask me any question regarding the status or progress, > Fernando > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Fernando olivero wrote: > >> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: >> >>> Gaucho looks like an interesting system. Too bad the monticello versions >>> don't have comments, making it difficult to track progress. Is there another >>> way to see what's happening? >>> >>> Stephan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [SPAM] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

O > SLLogMorph>>#testFilter: aMessage > | lowerString | > lowerString := aMessage value value asLowercase. > ^(self searchString asString substrings allSatisfy: [:sub | > sub := (sub asLowercase) replaceAll: $_ with: (Character space). > ((sub first = $-) and: [(lowerString includesSubString: sub allButFirst) not]) or: > [(sub first = $+) and: [lowerString includesSubString: sub allButFirst]] or: > [lowerString includesSubString: sub]]) > > I think you cannot modify the sub block variable in Pharo... in any blockclosure implementation in fact Stef

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Indeed it would make sense. On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:28 28PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> Odd, my 3.9 works. >> >> Method ByteArray>>asInteger by "len 10/15/2002 18:45" >> >> Regards, Gary >> > > Integer >> asByteArray is in a 1.0 image, introduced when MD5 was put into core. > Maybe you have the Cryptography package in your 3.9 image, and that included it? > > Cheers, > Henry > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >> >> >> >> On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> He was porting his stuff from Squeak 3.9 >>> >>> 3107 apparently. >>> >>> c.f. >>> #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger asByteArray >> >> >> This is what I tried >> #(12 35) asByteArray asInteger on my old 3.9 7067 final image and it barks. >> Then a nice explicit loops should make it too. >> >> Stef >> >>> >>> Unfortunately heavily used when doing low-level stuff with external devices socket data etc. >>> (let us not get into endianess either though ;-) ) >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>> >>> >>>> #[12 35] asInteger >>>> is not in 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 >>>> It does not work in squeak trunk either >>>> did not work in 3.9 either. >>>> So I'm puzzled. >>>> >>>> Now everybody can create his own personal package with the extensions they like. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> One of our developers recently complained of #asInteger being removed from ByteArray for instance... >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Gary >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Pinkney" <brent(a)zamail.co.za> >>>>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] 'foo' asTime >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I would really like to have the approach proposed by K. Beck on conversion >>>>>>> methods. Conversion methods for API compatible objects. Of course it will >>>>>>> lead to less compact program (URL readFrom: 'http://' instead of 'http://' >>>>>>> url) but avoids a lot of code in String (of course class extensions limit >>>>>>> the plague). >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, please reconsider this. There is just no way (Duration seconds: 3) is >>>>>> better than '3 seconds'. >>>>>> >>>>>> This smacks of working for the computer instead of the other way around. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brent >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gaucho Progress

by Fernando olivero

Hi Stephan, my fault because i neglected to add comments to my commits. I will start adding them now. But in my defense i not using Monticello for tracking the progress, but releases. ( Gaucho1.0 features are listed in the home page ) BTW we plan to release Gaucho1.1 before the ESUG, which will come with many new features, which will also be listed there. Just a preview: - In place editors for changing methods statements - Basic automatic placement for created\imported shapes, not attached to the hand anymore. - scrollable list widget works with mouse wheel. - effects/animations to enhance liveness. - completion widget, working with OModel! ( google like behavior) - mac style contextual top toolbar ( replaces old cmt-t toolbar on demand) - settings browser - improved event/change model - improved session model - etc... I'll update the web page soon, announcing the new release. Thanks for the info, Please feel free to ask me any question regarding the status or progress, Fernando On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Fernando olivero wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > >> Gaucho looks like an interesting system. Too bad the monticello versions >> don't have comments, making it difficult to track progress. Is there another >> way to see what's happening? >> >> Stephan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [SPAM] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi GÃ¶ran, On 19 Aug 2010, at 12:31, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > Hi all! > > I wonder a few things: > > - Why was SimpleLog deemed "hard"? The class comment on SLLog etc is pretty straight forward IMHO! > - Also SimpleLog has some quite nice features: > - A really nice Morph to keep an eye on the logging going on, and to easily filter it etc, although it needs some love for Pharo to compile. > - A log to file class with rotation. > - Ability to use syslog like Ramon posted, in fact, I think SimpleLog was first with that. > > I just... wonder why we need to reinvent so many things over and over? > > Toothpick IMHO was a bit complex, I agree - that was the reason for creating SimpleLog, but hey, SimpleLog is *not* complex. > > regards, GÃ¶ran I just tried to load SimpleLog-kph.15 into Pharo 1.1 and it failed (syntax error): SLLogMorph>>#testFilter: aMessage | lowerString | lowerString := aMessage value value asLowercase. ^(self searchString asString substrings allSatisfy: [:sub | sub := (sub asLowercase) replaceAll: $_ with: (Character space). ((sub first = $-) and: [(lowerString includesSubString: sub allButFirst) not]) or: [(sub first = $+) and: [lowerString includesSubString: sub allButFirst]] or: [lowerString includesSubString: sub]]) I think you cannot modify the sub block variable in Pharo... Sven

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DevTools on PharoCore 1.2

by Guillermo Polito

Oh, sorry, I didn't read well... On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano: > > I read the issue and Gary comment but still don't understand how to > make shout install :( > > I removed the instvar, but fail with another error.....may be I'm not > understanding exactly what to do. > > GermÃ¡n. > > 2010/8/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <gsa(a)arsol.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> How I should install some devtools (at least shout and ocompletion) on >>> PharoCore to have a more homy work environment? >>> >> >> What is the problem with OCompletion? Did you try to load? erros? which >> ones? >> >> I guess the easier way is trying to evaluate this: >> >> (ConfigurationOfOCompletion project version: '1.1-baseline') load >> >> but you will fail because Shout is a depenency of OCompletion ;) >> >> >> >>> >>> I failed with shout, saw some threads about, but can't install it.... >>> >> >> You should do what Gary said here: >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2734 >> >> >> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> ================================================= >>> GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino >>> Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>> PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com >>> ================================================= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > ================================================= > GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com > ================================================= > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DevTools on PharoCore 1.2

by Guillermo Polito

Look at this: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/table-of-contents/PharoTools I would like to improve it but I don't have enough wisdom to do it :). 2010/8/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <gsa(a)arsol.net> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> How I should install some devtools (at least shout and ocompletion) on >> PharoCore to have a more homy work environment? >> > > What is the problem with OCompletion? Did you try to load? erros? which > ones? > > I guess the easier way is trying to evaluate this: > > (ConfigurationOfOCompletion project version: '1.1-baseline') load > > but you will fail because Shout is a depenency of OCompletion ;) > > > >> >> I failed with shout, saw some threads about, but can't install it.... >> > > You should do what Gary said here: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2734 > > > >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> ================================================= >> GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino >> Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com >> PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com >> ================================================= >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DevTools on PharoCore 1.2

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi Mariano: I read the issue and Gary comment but still don't understand how to make shout install :( I removed the instvar, but fail with another error.....may be I'm not understanding exactly what to do. GermÃ¡n. 2010/8/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <gsa(a)arsol.net> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> How I should install some devtools (at least shout and ocompletion) on >> PharoCore to have a more homy work environment? >> > > What is the problem with OCompletion? Did you try to load? erros? which > ones? > > I guess the easier way is trying to evaluate this: > > (ConfigurationOfOCompletion project version: '1.1-baseline') load > > but you will fail because Shout is a depenency of OCompletion ;) > > > >> >> I failed with shout, saw some threads about, but can't install it.... >> > > You should do what Gary said here: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2734 > > > >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> ================================================= >> GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino >> Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com >> PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com >> ================================================= >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

Aug. 23, 2010