August 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I like it :) (not really my pictures :) And for people that love facebook/linkedin we could put a link on the groups May be a table would work more than a list. Else this is cool. But if people do not like it this is ok for me too. Stef On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:48 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > I've started a Contributors page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. > > Tell me if you like it or not before going further. > > If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) and links, short text you want to put here. > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun to talk daily with people > when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo fun community. > Let me know what you think. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 12, 2010

[Pharo-project] MVP design question

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

You might need to be familiar with Dolphin's MVP framework to care about this. It has long been accused of having a steep learning curve, but it also generates a lot of "This is great! Why did it seem so hard?" reactions. I certainly recall reacting that way, but like it enough that I want something at least close to it. Seaside's approach to components is interesting too, and it might be possible to strike a balance between the two approaches. Once I got the idea of MVP, I began to identify presenters with their contents. By that, I mean that I did not bother to name things like lastNamePresenter - the Presenter suffix is needless because the "presenterness" is clear from the context. The most common methods one writes are #createComponents, #createSchematicWiring (expressing interest in events triggered by components), and #model:. Dolphin's framework expects one to name view resources when adding sub-presenters to a composite presenter. It might be useful to map that to providing the instantiating selector (or optionally a closure) that can ultimately realize the correct view/morph. The resulting views/morphs could be specified in code or by some type of graphical editor. Object Arts did much the same thing in D6 when they moved away from serialized view resources to ones saved in class methods. I am more interested in being able to write clean code than I am in having a graphical editor, though ultimately both end up being "needed" (programmatic creation of views will indeed be needed to do some things, graphical editors are convenient and might be demanded by some potential users). IIRC, Gary did not think too much of my idea of having default models, but I like having working triads that can simply plug into a composite, or can be connected with a little work and value adapters. Any strong opinions? Bill

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Close button on Linux

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 12.08.2010 21:13, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > To whom the thanks belong, > > I just noticed that the [x] actually does its job on Linux in 1.1. It's minor in the grand scheme, but appreciated! > > What if anything needs (or can be) done to intercept it when locked down for an end user? > > Bill At least on Windows, set the World's windowEventHandler, to an object implementing windowEvent: , and have it handle the event with type = #windowClose. Cheers, Henry

Aug. 12, 2010

[Pharo-project] Close button on Linux

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

To whom the thanks belong, I just noticed that the [x] actually does its job on Linux in 1.1. It's minor in the grand scheme, but appreciated! What if anything needs (or can be) done to intercept it when locked down for an end user? Bill

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist?

by Guillermo Polito

Wow! that's all great! :D Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!! 2010/8/12 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > See http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence > <http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence> > Laurent > > > 2010/8/12 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > >> I want to document this a bit and I don't know if there's something >> written somewhere. >> >> I already know SqueakDBX, Magma, Omnibase. Is there something else? >> What about ORMs? Glorp? >> >> If you can provide me also links, metacello configs, and what's the status >> of them for each version of pharo, it shoud be great! :D >> >> Thanks! >> Guille >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I can't argue: RDBs are a pain. I use the "just records" approach at times. For a schema that I really care about, I will sometimes wrap objects around the records, but I have to *really* (I mean **really**) care about what is in there in order to go that much trouble. Both books on Seaside touch on the topic. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Carla F. Griggio [carla.griggio(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:50 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist? I don't know other persistance framework other than the ones already named, but I can't recommend Omnibase either :$ On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name<mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: On 12.08.2010, at 20:42, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > - Gemstone > - Image segments > - Reference streams > - Postgres driver (and I think also MySQL) > - SIXX > - CouchDB > - GOODS > - ...probably more, e.g., MongoDB, but its alpha > SandstoneDB http://onsmalltalk.com/sandstonedb-simple-activerecord-style-persistence-in… Norbert > I cannot recommend Omnibase. > > Adrian > > On Aug 12, 2010, at 18:56 , Guillermo Polito wrote: > >> I want to document this a bit and I don't know if there's something written >> somewhere. >> >> I already know SqueakDBX, Magma, Omnibase. Is there something else? >> What about ORMs? Glorp? >> >> If you can provide me also links, metacello configs, and what's the status >> of them for each version of pharo, it shoud be great! :D >> >> Thanks! >> Guille >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist?

by laurent laffont

See http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence <http://www.seaside.st/documentation/persistence> Laurent 2010/8/12 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > I want to document this a bit and I don't know if there's something written > somewhere. > > I already know SqueakDBX, Magma, Omnibase. Is there something else? > What about ORMs? Glorp? > > If you can provide me also links, metacello configs, and what's the status > of them for each version of pharo, it shoud be great! :D > > Thanks! > Guille > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist?

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez

El jue, 12-08-2010 a las 20:42 +0200, Adrian Lienhard escribiÃ³: > - Gemstone > - Image segments > - Reference streams > - Postgres driver (and I think also MySQL) > - SIXX > - CouchDB > - GOODS > - ...probably more, e.g., MongoDB, but its alpha > > I cannot recommend Omnibase. - Magma - Cassandra: (http://miguel.leugim.com.mx/index.php/2010/03/31/accessing-cassandra-from-p…) > > Adrian > > On Aug 12, 2010, at 18:56 , Guillermo Polito wrote: > > > I want to document this a bit and I don't know if there's something written > > somewhere. > > > > I already know SqueakDBX, Magma, Omnibase. Is there something else? > > What about ORMs? Glorp? > > > > If you can provide me also links, metacello configs, and what's the status > > of them for each version of pharo, it shoud be great! :D > > > > Thanks! > > Guille > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Which options do we have to persist?

by Carla F. Griggio

I don't know other persistance framework other than the ones already named, but I can't recommend Omnibase either :$ On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > On 12.08.2010, at 20:42, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > - Gemstone > > - Image segments > > - Reference streams > > - Postgres driver (and I think also MySQL) > > - SIXX > > - CouchDB > > - GOODS > > - ...probably more, e.g., MongoDB, but its alpha > > > SandstoneDB > > > http://onsmalltalk.com/sandstonedb-simple-activerecord-style-persistence-in… > > Norbert > > > I cannot recommend Omnibase. > > > > Adrian > > > > On Aug 12, 2010, at 18:56 , Guillermo Polito wrote: > > > >> I want to document this a bit and I don't know if there's something > written > >> somewhere. > >> > >> I already know SqueakDBX, Magma, Omnibase. Is there something else? > >> What about ORMs? Glorp? > >> > >> If you can provide me also links, metacello configs, and what's the > status > >> of them for each version of pharo, it shoud be great! :D > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Guille > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by laurent laffont

Hi, I've started a Contributors page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors . Tell me if you like it or not before going further. If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) and links, short text you want to put here. Cheers, Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun > to talk daily with people > when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo fun > community. > Let me know what you think. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 12, 2010