August 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo Metacello Universes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> 1) Problem: know which project version must be used for a particular pharo version. There are two solutions: > > a) When a developer commites ConfigurationOf to a particular repo, it makes sure the #lastVersion answer the correct one. > b) When a developer commites ConfigurationOf to a particular repo, it makes sure the #load will load the correct version. > > a) is more complicated and require more time for the developer. It means you will have separate branches for each pharo version. The information is spread. > with b) all the information is together in only one ConfOf in your own repo. Once it is needed, you just commit it to a particular Pharo repository and just change the #load > I think b) is muuuuch easier. > So...everybody knows how to install something "ConfigurationOf load". I like b > 2) Problem: projects may refer to other projects. And the referenced projects can be anywhere (for example, metacello repository). Example of ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser >> baseline11: > > project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: [ > spec > className: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; > loads: #('Refactoring-Core' ); > file: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; > repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository' ]; > > So....ok., ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser will be in Pharo10Metacello (example). But...it will load the ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser from MonticelloRepository....WRONG!!! > > solution? > a) change everything by hand....crap > b) use repositoryOverride: > > b) can be used, but the problem (if I understood correclty) is that it replaces ALL repositories. So, you need to have EVERYTHING in that repo in order to work. yes this is the idea the process should fetch everything and copy it. > 3) Problem: people will start to submit, may not maintain anymore, etc. I wouldn't make gloabl write such repositories. We should only give access to those that need it

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by Norbert Hartl

On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. > > > The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it shows Pharo is used in real world. > > One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence. > So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one at all. Norbert > Laurent > > Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their > pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. > Regards > > 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > I've started a Contributors > > page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. > > Tell me if you like it or not before going further. > > If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) > > and links, short text you want to put here. > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> Hi guys > >> > >> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > >> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun > >> to talk daily with people > >> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo > >> fun community. > >> Let me know what you think. > >> > >> Stef > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

HI Adrian: Thanks by the response. 2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>: > Maybe you find something on the web pages of those companies. Not everybody is allowed to or willing to share details publicly. Yes, I know, but being that they agreed to publish their names here.....I thinked that could comment some generalities of the Pharo use. > From bombardier.com, we'll get more information later this year... > Excellent. Cheers. GermÃ¡n.

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by Adrian Lienhard

Maybe you find something on the web pages of those companies. Not everybody is allowed to or willing to share details publicly. From bombardier.com, we'll get more information later this year... Cheers, Adrian On Aug 13, 2010, at 13:09 , GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > 2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>: >> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich < >>> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >>>> >>>> >>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should >>> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it >>> shows Pharo is used in real world. >>> >>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people >>> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence. >> >> Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the >contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users >of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they >do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we >> discuss and work together. > > > Hi, off-thread, but were is possible to read what are doing these > companies (for example Bombardier) with Pharo? > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2658 - Integration of WebClient on Pharo 1.2

by Adrian Lienhard

I think that's a good plan! Something to take care of: replacing the old code can be tricky because MC uses it... Adrian On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:13 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Since we agree that we want to use WebClient in pharo by default, it would be nice to start > pushing it into 1.2. I was waiting a bit to get some more feedback. What we could do > is > - load it in 1.2 > - update it when andreas publish new versions > - start forwarding to webClient > - remove the other code slowly > > Do we agree? > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Refactor -> Rename class

by Carla F. Griggio

I agree. Maybe the refactor option and non-refactor option could be swapped? I mean, the 'rename class' option that doesn't do the refactor could be in the list of the bottom, so we don't lose the option just in case. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > yes I would love that too :) > > Stef > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Nicolas Paez wrote: > > > > > I am using this feature I think that the "rename..." menu option should > by default work like refactor, at this moment it just renames the class with > updating dependent stuff, if you want to apply refactor you have to drill > down to the refactor class suboption. > > > > I think "remove class..." and "rename class..." (in a refactor way) are > the more frequent actions applied on a class. I don't mind if the option is > duplicated in the menu if it makes thing easy. > > > > <moz-screenshot-56.png> > > > > Regards, > > NicolÃ¡s > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich < >> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >>> >>> >> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should >> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it >> shows Pharo is used in real world. >> >> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people >> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence. > > Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the >contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users >of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they >do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we > discuss and work together. Hi, off-thread, but were is possible to read what are doing these companies (for example Bombardier) with Pharo?

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+1 On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich < >> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >>> >>> >> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should >> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it >> shows Pharo is used in real world. >> >> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people >> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence. > > Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we discuss and work together. > > Adrian > >> >> Laurent >> >> >>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their >>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. >>> Regards >>> >>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Hi, >>>> I've started a Contributors >>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. >>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. >>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at >>> least) >>>> and links, short text you want to put here. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Laurent Laffont >>>> >>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys >>>>> >>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) >>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that >>> fun >>>>> to talk daily with people >>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo >>>>> fun community. >>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Inter-image communication

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:37 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > On 08/11/2010 10:26 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> rst? >> >> RemoteSmalltalk? > > Yes, and there are multiple other packages too. > > A few other things that might be interesting in "inter image communication": > > - D-Bus. Bert and the guys made a rather ambitious plugin for libdbus and stuff above it. This is not interesting for Squeak2Squeak, but definitely interesting for cross language stuff. > > - Message Queues. There are tons of these today, like RabbitMQ, ActiveMQ etc etc. And there is an AMQP protocol implementation on SS, and yesterday I released a first shot at a STOMP implementation too! These message queues implement publish/subscribe models etc so they are different beasts, but IMHO possible more interesting than "straight RPC". > > - If you go for a transport level that is "non Smalltalk", like say a message queue above, then Tirade (also on SS) could work as a fast way to "serialize messages" through such a transport. When I get STOMP finished I will make a simple demo of that. I really want that > Also, writing a forking Socket server is really simple in Squeak. The Blackfoot package on SS can act as a really simple and documented example of such a server. It would be a nice example for the chapter on Socket noury and luc are writing for the new book. > > Also, if you want to play around with character/byte-streams between Squeak Processes (in one image) then the SharedStreams package is neat - in fact, I think it should be included in the "standard library", and probably also replace SharedQueue. open a ticket :) > > regards, GÃ¶ran > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gravatar and Website (was little pictures of you )

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

send them the code for pharo :) Stef On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:18 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > How can I embed Gravatar profiles > > into http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors ? > > This is quite easy. If you just want to add the images, you have to > calculate the md5 hash of the email adress and add a parameter in the > URL for the size of the picture. > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ > If you want to add also the profile, look here: > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/profiles/ > > > Thank you. I will have a look. > > > Hey !!!! No Smalltalk code sample http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/ > > > Laurent > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010