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Re: [Pharo-project] Senders from package(s)

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, That sounds great, but I'm confused about the menus. The offending code is all one package with lots of branches: stuff like Gizmo-base, Gizmo-devices-gas-analyzer, Gizmo-oxygen-sensor, etc. How can I open a scoped browser on all of Gizmo? Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 6:21 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders from package(s) yes use the refactoring browser and open a scope refactor menu you get a yellow browser where all the operations are scoped On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there a way to browse all senders of particular selector, scoped to one or more packages? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac file names

by Johan Fabry

On 12 Aug 2010, at 21:44, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Johan" == Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> writes: > > Johan> this plan should work. MacOS is a NetBSD in elegant disguise, > > For values of NetBSD ultimately approaching FreeBSD and correctness! > > NetBSD fed OSX Server. FreeBSD userland fed OSX client. Ah I did not know that, thanks for pointing it out! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by Adrian Lienhard

Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going to use Pharo â these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely. So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also for us to build the community. Adrian On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:35 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: > Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original > intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me) > > I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it > first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website > that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other > than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think > that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'. > > So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want > it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something > informal for us to use? > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > >> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> >>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich < >> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >>>> >>>> >>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I >> should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important >> because it shows Pharo is used in real world. >>>> >>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems >> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring >> confidence. >>>> >>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one >> at all. >> >> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in >> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions. >> >> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the >> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the >> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't >> participate, there's no point in adding him. >> >> Adrian >> >> >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their >>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I've started a Contributors >>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. >>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. >>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at >> least) >>>>> and links, short text you want to put here. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Laurent Laffont >>>>> >>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>> >>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) >>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that >> fun >>>>>> to talk daily with people >>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a >> pharo >>>>>> fun community. >>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Serge Stinckwich >>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gravatar and Website (was little pictures of you )

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> send them the code for pharo :) > > > Kata for better code ? (sorry German) hehe, don't worry. Instead 1 million of spam will start receiving 2 millions :)

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by Carla F. Griggio

Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me) I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'. So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something informal for us to use? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote: > > > > > On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich < > serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. > >> > >> > >> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I > should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important > because it shows Pharo is used in real world. > >> > >> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems > people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring > confidence. > >> > > So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one > at all. > > I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in > that he contributes or is engaged in discussions. > > So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the > mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the > other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't > participate, there's no point in adding him. > > Adrian > > > > > > Norbert > > > >> Laurent > >> > >> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their > >> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. > >> Regards > >> > >> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > >>> Hi, > >>> I've started a Contributors > >>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. > >>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. > >>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at > least) > >>> and links, short text you want to put here. > >>> Cheers, > >>> Laurent Laffont > >>> > >>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > >>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi guys > >>>> > >>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > >>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that > fun > >>>> to talk daily with people > >>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a > pharo > >>>> fun community. > >>>> Let me know what you think. > >>>> > >>>> Stef > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Serge Stinckwich > >> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > >> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by Adrian Lienhard

On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote: > > On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >> >> >> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it shows Pharo is used in real world. >> >> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence. >> > So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one at all. I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in that he contributes or is engaged in discussions. So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't participate, there's no point in adding him. Adrian > > Norbert > >> Laurent >> >> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their >> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. >> Regards >> >> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >>> Hi, >>> I've started a Contributors >>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. >>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. >>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) >>> and links, short text you want to put here. >>> Cheers, >>> Laurent Laffont >>> >>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi guys >>>> >>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) >>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun >>>> to talk daily with people >>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo >>>> fun community. >>>> Let me know what you think. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gravatar and Website (was little pictures of you )

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:03 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > send them the code for pharo :) > > > Kata for better code ? (sorry German) > > |md5 url| > md5 := MD5 new hashStream: (ReadStream on: 'gsa(a)arsol.net'). > url := String streamContents: [:aStream| > aStream nextPutAll: 'http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/'. > md5 do: [:aByte| > aStream nextPutAll: aByte hex asLowercase]]. > (ImageMorph fromStream: > (url asUrl retrieveContents contentStream)) openInWorld. > I would not hard code ReadStream > md5 := MD5 new hashStream: 'gsa(a)arsol.net' readStream. > > Laurent > > > > > Stef > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:18 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > > How can I embed Gravatar profiles > > > into http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors ? > > > > This is quite easy. If you just want to add the images, you have to > > calculate the md5 hash of the email adress and add a parameter in the > > URL for the size of the picture. > > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ > > If you want to add also the profile, look here: > > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/profiles/ > > > > > > Thank you. I will have a look. > > > > > > Hey !!!! No Smalltalk code sample http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/ > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > > -- > > Serge Stinckwich > > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

a document ERP ro something like that. > HI Adrian: > > Thanks by the response. > > 2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch>: >> Maybe you find something on the web pages of those companies. Not everybody is allowed to or willing to share details publicly. > > > Yes, I know, but being that they agreed to publish their names > here.....I thinked that could comment some generalities of the Pharo > use. > > >> From bombardier.com, we'll get more information later this year... >> > > Excellent. > > Cheers. > GermÃ¡n. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo Metacello Universes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > 1. Add to the image (maybe SystemVersion current metacelloRepository) a > getter that returns the standardized string pointing to the correct > metacello repository for the image: > > SystemVersion>>metacelloRepository > ^ 'MetaRepoForPharo12' > > And then all the series of Pharo releases based on that PharoCore image > will point to MetaRepoPharo12 (PharoCore 1.2, PharoCore 1.2.1, PharoCore > 1.2.2, Pharo 1.2, Pharo 1.2.1, Pharo 1.2.4, etc. They are the same > release family and supposedly "binary" compatible). > > For PharoCore 1.3, that string should be changed to > > SystemVersion>>metacelloRepository > ^ 'MetaRepoForPharo13' > > and so on. ok > > > Metacello > ------------- > This is the most difficult part. > - Right now, Metacello hardcodes repository paths in the references to > other projects. This isn't bad, but an alternative should be provided. > That is, when referencing external projects like: > > project: 'Refactoring-Core' with: [ > spec > className: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; > loads: #('Refactoring-Core' ); > file: 'ConfigurationOfRefactoringBrowser'; > repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository' ]; But a spec is an object so we could have a visitor going over and doing the automatic rewrite for us. > Of course nothing prevents for a configuration to reference a project > outside the "universe" repository, but that is a decision of the > maintainer. No this is a dogma. NO NO NO reference outside the repository. NOT A SINGLE ONE. NEVER. We want 100% self contained distribution. Stef

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Gravatar and Website (was little pictures of you )

by laurent laffont

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > send them the code for pharo :) > Kata for better code ? (sorry German) |md5 url| md5 := MD5 new hashStream: (ReadStream on: 'gsa(a)arsol.net'). url := String streamContents: [:aStream| aStream nextPutAll: 'http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/'. md5 do: [:aByte| aStream nextPutAll: aByte hex asLowercase]]. (ImageMorph fromStream: (url asUrl retrieveContents contentStream)) openInWorld. Laurent > > Stef > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:18 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Serge Stinckwich < > serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > > How can I embed Gravatar profiles > > > into http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors ? > > > > This is quite easy. If you just want to add the images, you have to > > calculate the md5 hash of the email adress and add a parameter in the > > URL for the size of the picture. > > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ > > If you want to add also the profile, look here: > > http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/profiles/ > > > > > > Thank you. I will have a look. > > > > > > Hey !!!! No Smalltalk code sample http://fr.gravatar.com/site/implement/ > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > > -- > > Serge Stinckwich > > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 13, 2010