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Re: [Pharo-project] Usable Pharo/Squeak packages

by Guillermo Polito

A few days ago I started to write something like that in the collaborActive Book: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/table-of-contents/PharoTools On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > francois excellent initiative! > I want configurationOf for them :D. > Now I resent your mail to create a new thread. > > Stef > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> > > Date: August 13, 2010 3:58:55 PM GMT+02:00 > > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of > you) > > Reply-To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > I've started to work on a project to list usable Pharo/Squeak packages. > > Kind of http://ruby-toolbox.com/ for open source smalltalks. > > > > The basic idea is to have a list of packages with a description and how > to load them (basically via Metacello configuration). People could comment > packages to let other know if it works for them in their favorite dialect. > If a convention toward package management with Metacello is reached we could > imagine that data is automatically fetched from Metacello description. But > lets start simple first... > > > > Crawling Squeaksource to find libraries is a not a delicious experience > (at least for me). > > > > It's probably premature to talk about this project here now (especially > given my time constraints these days) but this thread motivates me to give > it a serious try. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Francois > > > > > > > > -- > > francois.stephany(a)agilitic.com > > http://www.agilitic.com > > +32 (0)484/580.322 > > > > > > On 13/08/10 15:27, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else > would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going > to use Pharo â these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely. > >> > >> So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue > that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also > for us to build the community. > >> > >> Adrian > >> > >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:35 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: > >> > >>> Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original > >>> intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me) > >>> > >>> I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than > it > >>> first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the > website > >>> that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people > other > >>> than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I > think > >>> that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'. > >>> > >>> So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you > really want > >>> it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just > something > >>> informal for us to use? > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard<adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich< > >>>> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I > >>>> should change it to "Contributors& Users". Users are really important > >>>> because it shows Pharo is used in real world. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It > seems > >>>> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users > bring > >>>> confidence. > >>>>>> > >>>>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if > one > >>>> at all. > >>>> > >>>> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo > community in > >>>> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions. > >>>> > >>>> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from > the > >>>> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On > the > >>>> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't > >>>> participate, there's no point in adding him. > >>>> > >>>> Adrian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Norbert > >>>>> > >>>>>> Laurent > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their > >>>>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont<laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> I've started a Contributors > >>>>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. > >>>>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. > >>>>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at > >>>> least) > >>>>>>> and links, short text you want to put here. > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Laurent Laffont > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > >>>>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi guys > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > >>>>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not > that > >>>> fun > >>>>>>>> to talk daily with people > >>>>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a > >>>> pharo > >>>>>>>> fun community. > >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Stef > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Serge Stinckwich > >>>>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > >>>>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > >>>>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with Date today, different in pharo 1.0 and 1.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:32 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > In pharo 1.2 it should be local aware I integrated a fix of sean that made > it start by default in localtime. > > mmmm that's seem to be the problem :) If I know run the same in Pharo 1.2: Date today start -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+02:00 the same as 1.0.... thanks :) mariano > Stef > > > Hi folks. > > > > In Pharo 1.0 I evaluate "Date today start" i get -> > 2010-08-13T00:00:00+02:00 > > > > and in Pharo 1.1 "Date today start -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+00:00 > > > > so.... in 1.0 I have at the end a +02:00 and in Pharo 1.1 I have > +00:00 > > > > which one is correct? are we aware of this change? does someone know the > issue number of this? > > > > thanks > > > > mariano > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] File out with syntax highlighting

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Hello all, > > I did a little more digging toward my goal of exporting a given package's code in syntax-highlighted form. Solutions suggested below include Squeak's copy-to-html and Shout-Pier. The copy code was removed from Pharo. It was bad. > Are the pieces still more or less available, or did a lot of code get tossed? believe me you do not want to use that > I envision a small export filter that takes a package name and writes html for every method that belongs in the package, so I don't care about the menu/command integration, only about how practical it would be to use the pieces in the image to build the filter. damien cassou did a package exporter in latex, probably html based on visitor some years ago send me an email > > The other option is Pier-Shout. Where does that live? It is not my first choice, but if nothing else, it might fill in the missing pieces allowing me to build what I want. quite well. All the seaside book uses it. > > Bill > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg21418.ht… > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with Date today, different in pharo 1.0 and 1.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

In pharo 1.2 it should be local aware I integrated a fix of sean that made it start by default in localtime. Stef > Hi folks. > > In Pharo 1.0 I evaluate "Date today start" i get -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+02:00 > > and in Pharo 1.1 "Date today start -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+00:00 > > so.... in 1.0 I have at the end a +02:00 and in Pharo 1.1 I have +00:00 > > which one is correct? are we aware of this change? does someone know the issue number of this? > > thanks > > mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

[Pharo-project] Usable Pharo/Squeak packages

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

francois excellent initiative! I want configurationOf for them :D. Now I resent your mail to create a new thread. Stef Begin forwarded message: > From: Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> > Date: August 13, 2010 3:58:55 PM GMT+02:00 > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you) > Reply-To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > I've started to work on a project to list usable Pharo/Squeak packages. > Kind of http://ruby-toolbox.com/ for open source smalltalks. > > The basic idea is to have a list of packages with a description and how to load them (basically via Metacello configuration). People could comment packages to let other know if it works for them in their favorite dialect. If a convention toward package management with Metacello is reached we could imagine that data is automatically fetched from Metacello description. But lets start simple first... > > Crawling Squeaksource to find libraries is a not a delicious experience (at least for me). > > It's probably premature to talk about this project here now (especially given my time constraints these days) but this thread motivates me to give it a serious try. > > Cheers, > > Francois > > > > -- > francois.stephany(a)agilitic.com > http://www.agilitic.com > +32 (0)484/580.322 > > > On 13/08/10 15:27, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going to use Pharo â these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely. >> >> So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also for us to build the community. >> >> Adrian >> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:35 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: >> >>> Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original >>> intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me) >>> >>> I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it >>> first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website >>> that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other >>> than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think >>> that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'. >>> >>> So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want >>> it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something >>> informal for us to use? >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard<adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich< >>>> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I >>>> should change it to "Contributors& Users". Users are really important >>>> because it shows Pharo is used in real world. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems >>>> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring >>>> confidence. >>>>>> >>>>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one >>>> at all. >>>> >>>> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in >>>> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions. >>>> >>>> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the >>>> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the >>>> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't >>>> participate, there's no point in adding him. >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>>> Laurent >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their >>>>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont<laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> I've started a Contributors >>>>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors. >>>>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further. >>>>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at >>>> least) >>>>>>> and links, short text you want to put here. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Laurent Laffont >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) >>>>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that >>>> fun >>>>>>>> to talk daily with people >>>>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a >>>> pharo >>>>>>>> fun community. >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Serge Stinckwich >>>>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>>>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>>>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going to use Pharo â these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely. > > So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also for us to build the community. This is nice to see that there are a lot of people around a project. So this is not the question of cute people this is a question of community so I would put that on the project web site (not the google one). Stef

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo Metacello Universes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

unfortunately we spent all the student money for this year. Stef On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez wrote: > I like the idea, but it requires a lot of effort in building the tool, > that does that. Maybe INRIA could sponsor some student hours just to > build this tool so that is ready for the 1.2 release.

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo Metacello Universes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this was more or less what I had in mind but with a limited knowledge of metacello. Stef > > > I think that we should do is a piece of code that does the following: > > - Take a ConfiguraitonOfXXX and do a "publish in Pharo Repository" > - This can propmt which Pharo version, or directly which PharoRepository > - Then it will ask which VERSION should be loaded in the already selected Pharo version > - It should be asked WHICH group (optional) > > Once this is done, the code has to do the following: > > - Iterates all the project and packages referenced and COPY ALL OF THEM into the same repository. Or maybe we can have another repo. > This will copy all the .mzc of the project and its dependencies. With this you will make sure that you have EVERYTHING you need to load it. > > - take that ConfigurationOfXXX and automatically compile a class side #load that based in your answers, does the correct job. > In addition, this method should do a repositoryOverride: with the selected repository. > Example: > > load > | version | > version := self project version: selectedVersion. > version repositoryOverrides: selectedPharoRepository. > version load: selectedGroup. > > Maybe it can implement a particular load: that recieves the common parameter > > > > Then, if you are in Pharo 1.0 the only thing you have to do is to explore the repository PharoRepository10 and browse the confs....you select the one you want and load it (with Gofer or Monticello Browser). Once that is done, you just evaluate: > > ConfiguarationOfXXX load. > > and that's all. > > What do you think ? > Dale? > > > > Cheers > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 13, 2010

[Pharo-project] Problem with Date today, different in pharo 1.0 and 1.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. In Pharo 1.0 I evaluate "Date today start" i get -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+02:00 and in Pharo 1.1 "Date today start -> 2010-08-13T00:00:00+00:00 so.... in 1.0 I have at the end a +02:00 and in Pharo 1.1 I have +00:00 which one is correct? are we aware of this change? does someone know the issue number of this? thanks mariano

Aug. 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [SPAM] Re: Gravatar and Website (was little pictures of you )

by laurent laffont

> > > Kata for better code ? (sorry German) >> > >> > |md5 url| >> > md5 := MD5 new hashStream: (ReadStream on: 'gsa(a)arsol.net'). >> > url := String streamContents: [:aStream| >> > aStream >> nextPutAll: 'http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/'. >> > md5 do: >> [:aByte| >> > >> aStream nextPutAll: aByte hex asLowercase]]. >> > (ImageMorph fromStream: >> > (url asUrl retrieveContents contentStream)) openInWorld. >> > >> > Laurent >> >> I really like code that speaks for itself, like this example ! >> Great, Laurent. >> >> It can even be written shorter, like this: >> >> | md5 url | >> md5 := MD5 hashMessage: 'gsa(a)arsol.net'. >> url := ('http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/', md5 hex) asUrl. >> (ImageMorph fromStream: url retrieveContents contentStream) openInWorld. >> > > > Just sent to Gravatar, hope they will put it. Laurent > > > I was looking for such brevity, cool ! > > Laurent > > > > > > >> >> Sven >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Aug. 13, 2010