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Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Patrick Barroca

I opened this one (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2610) June 30, seems to me that it describes the same behaviour cheers, 2010/7/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the >> Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript >> show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown >> in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from >> the workspace it self. >> >> I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over >> ? >> > > Welcome! > > Exactly. I also noticed this and it is for sure a left over some debugging. > What I am not sure if there is an open bug report for this. > > Can someone check and open if it isn't ? > >> >> -- >> And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really >> polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to >> Smalltalk like me :) >> >> Best regards, >> Stanislav Paskalev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Patrick Barroca

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Stanislav Paskalev

I understand, I will stick to the PBE image for the book. Thanks everyone! Stanislav Paskalev 2010/7/22 Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks for the correction. I tried to say pretty much that but I guess it > came out a bit wrong :p > Max > > On 21.07.2010, at 23:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> >> >> On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: >> >> You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. >> >> There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird >> behaviour. >> My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. >> You can get the image from here:Â Pharo By Example image >> >> Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC >> builds. :) > > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not > be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > >> >> Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate >> the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > > yes > > >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] fold: ?

by Norbert Hartl

On 21.07.2010, at 18:27, Lukas Renggli wrote: > See <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2401>. Looks like > it never got merged though. > The test case for it is a really really nice one. Remembers what is different in smalltalk and smalltalk developers: array := Array with: Color red with: Color green with: Color blue. self assert: (array reduce:[:a :b| a + b]) = Color white. I like this so much. thanks, Norbert > Lukas > > On 21 July 2010 18:20, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> hi lukas >> >> I thought that we introduced the equivalent when we were pair programming at my place. >> fold: got introduced in squeak and may be your implementation/API should be pushed there? >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Norbert Hartl

To set up a WebDAV is pretty easy. And you need a two-way sync. For this scenario unison (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) works pretty well. It keeps sync state on either side for each client-server combination. If you have one main server than you can sync in a star-scenario where every mirror syncs from the main server and this works really reliable. The stability depends also on the stability of the machine. Servers under the desk of someones working place are usually less reliable then a hosting provider server :) In my opinion the biggest problem is how you like to access this mirror and manage the list of available mirros. The ultimate way is when it happens transparently (one server is down means another one from the list of mirrors is taken). But this needs to be done in the client. On the other side there is some list in some wiki that lists all mirrors. If you are lucky finding the page you find a mirror. To ease this it might be a good idea to assign hostnames like de.mirror.squeaksource.com cl.mirror.squeaksource.com or anything similar. Norbert On 21.07.2010, at 22:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this would be great to have a mirror indeed. > I do not have the knowledge for that. > But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? >> >> On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Max Leske

Thanks for the correction. I tried to say pretty much that but I guess it came out a bit wrong :p Max On 21.07.2010, at 23:23, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > >> You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. >> There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird behaviour. >> My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. >> >> You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image > > Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC builds. :) > > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > > Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > > > yes > > > Cheers, > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/7/21 Henrik Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > > You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. > > There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird > behaviour. > My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. > > You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image<https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27023/PBE-1.0.zip> > > > Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC > builds. :) > Yes, mostly becuase we are talking about a RELEASE CANDIDATE, which may not be the same as using a beta or unstable Pharo 1.2 for example. > Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate > the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. > > yes > Cheers, > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going through the first chapter of Pharo by Example and the > Transcript morph behaves somewhat strange. When I type "Transcript > show: " into a workspace, every time I press space 2 numbers are shown > in the Transcript, they look like character indexes from the text from > the workspace it self. > > I believe this is non intentional, perhaps some debugging output left over > ? > > Welcome! Exactly. I also noticed this and it is for sure a left over some debugging. What I am not sure if there is an open bug report for this. Can someone check and open if it isn't ? > -- > And let me congratulate everyone involved in Pharo, it looks really > polished and makes a very good first impression for newcommers to > Smalltalk like me :) > > Best regards, > Stanislav Paskalev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.1-11409-rc4dev10.07.2 - Transcript behaving strange

by Henrik Johansen

On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:11 10PM, Max Leske wrote: > You shouldn't use the rc and beta builds. > There's a lot of developement going on and you'll likely experience weird behaviour. > My advice: youse the PBE-image with the 4.0.2 vm. > > You can get the image from here: Pharo By Example image Well, shouldn't is a strong word, we do appreciate reports of issues in RC builds. :) Going through the PBE as an intro to smalltalk, you'd probably appreciate the calmer waters of using the PBE-image as Max recommended though. Cheers, Henry

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by Johan Fabry

OK lets talk about it when I visit you in sept. On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this would be great to have a mirror indeed. > I do not have the knowledge for that. > But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. > Stef > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? >> >> On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> >>> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

July 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource down ....

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this would be great to have a mirror indeed. I do not have the knowledge for that. But if we go for a web-dav I imagne that rsync would do the trick. Stef On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Related to that, access to European servers from Latin-America is slow (we need to go through the US in general). It would be cool for the Argentinians and us if there was a LA mirror (read-only). I have a small machine (mac osx) that could be used for that. Would it be possible to set up something like this? > > On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> If there is an urgent desire to have another WebDAV share or the like than speak up. I could provide one. I think we can manage the load. Support could go from a WebDAV share to a complete virtual linux instance. >> >> Norbert >> >> On 21.07.2010, at 16:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> We will have a server based on web dav hosted at inria to support pharo but we have to wait until sep I would say. >>> Then there is also the option to use a GemSource but we also have to sync with gemstone. >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Geert Claes wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I just noticed SqueakSource is down again. It looks like this is happening >>>> more and more often now, what can be done? >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SqueakSource-down-tp2296645p2296645.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2010