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Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by Max Leske

I will. On 22.07.2010, at 20:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I guess that they did that in squeak can you check? > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Max Leske wrote: > >> No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. >> Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? >> >> Max >> >> >> On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. >>> Max did you check the new Editor class. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>>> Hi everyone. >>>> >>>> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >>>> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >>>> >>>> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >>>> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >>>> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >>>> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >>>> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >>>> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >>>> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >>>> >>>> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >>>> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >>>> >>>> Max >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] State of Sound in Morph

by Hilaire Fernandes

> I tried the Pharo sound package, so far it looks sound is not working. > Is it true or is it a mistake of myself. > > For example: > > No sound output when executing: > FMSound bass1 play > > DNU FMSound copy when executing: > (FMSound lowMajorScaleOn: FMSound bass1) play oops, the DNU message was FMSound>>clone (and not #copy as I wrote) So this #clone message is gone. I have tested with a PharoCore1.11291 Of course I took your latest commit. Do this latest commit include the patches Stephane mentioned? To say the true, I came to test the sound feature after I compiled a VM for the XO-1 environment with the sound plugin, then I wanted to check some sound, I realized the classes were not in the image I was using (a core one), so I took a look in PharoNonCore, load and test the package. Then I wondered if I did something wrong. Hilaire

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Symbol >> #asClass ?

by Lukas Renggli

> AFAIK there's no usable namespace implementation for Pharo. As soon as one > will be available, that will be able to solve the class lookup. Right, but a lot of refactorings in the past were made to get rid of the hardcoded references to Smalltalk. Now a method like #asClass just puts it (secretly) back in. Classes should be looked up in the context of a context, such as an existing class. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I guess that they did that in squeak can you check? On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Max Leske wrote: > No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. > Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? > > Max > > > On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. >> Max did you check the new Editor class. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> Hi everyone. >>> >>> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >>> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >>> >>> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >>> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >>> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >>> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >>> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >>> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >>> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >>> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >>> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >>> >>> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >>> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >>> >>> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >>> >>> Max >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes! Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Max Leske wrote: > No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. > Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? > > Max > > > On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. >> Max did you check the new Editor class. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> Hi everyone. >>> >>> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >>> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >>> >>> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >>> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >>> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >>> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >>> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >>> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >>> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >>> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >>> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >>> >>> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >>> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >>> >>> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >>> >>> Max >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] State of Sound in Morph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

not really this is why we should get a process where we load all these orphan packages. Because this way we can maintain easily. Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Do we have anyone responsibly for these kind of "near core" packages? > > Regards, Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mariano Martinez Peck > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] State of Sound in Morph > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 14:42 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > probably because we were stupid to remove it from the image. > > I don't think so. > > Rather because we have: > - nobody who takes responsibility to maintain this package > - no tests for this package > - no build and test server to detect problems automatically > > > I think it is a combination of the 2. First, we are not stupid to remove it from core. They HAVE to be removed and put it as separate package. > > Then, I agree with ALL adrian comments. But I also agree that this problem can be minimized. When you remove methods/classes in PharoCore, it would be good to search them in "Pharo". That's why I did ConfigurationOfPharoNonCore. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > Cheers, > Adrian > > BTW, the two expressions posted below work for me on a recent Mac VM in a Pharo 1.0 image. > > > > If you can check there are two fixes on the bug archives and it would be great that somebody compares with squeak > > version. I did not see that much changes from this part of the system on their side. > > > > Stef > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > > >> I tried the Pharo sound package, so far it looks sound is not working. > >> Is it true or is it a mistake of myself. > >> > >> For example: > >> > >> No sound output when executing: > >> FMSound bass1 play > >> > >> DNU FMSound copy when executing: > >> (FMSound lowMajorScaleOn: FMSound bass1) play > >> > >> Hilaire > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Symbol >> #asClass ?

by Levente Uzonyi

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> >>>>> 2. We are trying to remove all direct references to the Smalltalk >>>>> namespace, this however hardcodes the Smalltalk namespace again. >>>> >>>> self environment can solve this. >>> >>> No, what will #asClass return if you have different instances of Smalltalk? >> >> A Class or nil. > > what lukas wants to say is that using asClass you cannot write code that can used > on different instances of systemDictionary and this was one of the goal of a lot of cleaning. AFAIK there's no usable namespace implementation for Pharo. As soon as one will be available, that will be able to solve the class lookup. If not, then how will the following code work?: MyClass new Levente > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] about hex

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks eliot I was thinking that having the same consistent behavior is cool. What we could do is snapshot, for example, we say that Cog will only for 1.2Pharo and like that this may help you. > > I don't think Eliot changed that, he only changed Integer>>hex... > > No he did > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2705 > > Item was changed: > ----- Method: Character>>hex (in category 'printing') ----- > hex > + ^value printStringBase: 16! > - ^value hex! > > and that is a mistake. It should stay the way it was and then Character hex would also have the 16r prefix. ok I thought you had a specific need. So now I understand :) > > But I'm caught between two stools, whether to move forward and make Character hex answer 16rXX or to move back and make Integer hex answer XX, and e.g. use phex for 16r... I like 16r for hex and printStringHex for XX > Our Teleplace images make heavy use of hex and assume it answers 16rXX so if we don't keep the 16r prefix I'll have to maintain a fork of the Cog VMMaker and that would make life even more difficult (I already have three forks, open-source Cog, production Teleplace and development Teleplace (threaded & separate ObjectMemory and Interpreter) but they all agree w.r.t. hex. For me this is good I like hex 16rXX but I would like Character hex to be consistent. > > If you think adding the prefix to Character won't do too much harm then revert the change above so Character hex reads (as it does in our Teleplace images) > > Character hex > ^value hex > I really suggest that we (pharo and squeak) do that $A hex '16r41' and we can add printString hex to character Character>>printStringHex ^value printStringBase: 16 Stef > > > > > It seems that every implementation of hex did avoid to print the radix in Squeak 3.10. Was it intentional ? > > > > Anyway, it will be hard to reach homogeneity because: > > Integer>>hex should print the radix for VMMaker compatibility > > ByteArray>>hex shouldn't for cypto compatibility > > but crypto could use printStringHex so yes we can reach it. > > > > > Nicolas > > > > 2010/7/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > Levente /Eliot > > > > I noticed that > > > > $A hex on squeak > > -> 41 > > and in pharo > > -> '16r41' > > > > I would like to have both consistent what do you think to have > > > > $A hex > > -> '16r41' > > > > $A printStringHex > > -> '41' > > > > like that this is consistent with the behavior on integer. > > Eliot I saw that to change the behavior on characters and I would like to know why. > > I thought that it was for debugging purpose. > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by Max Leske

No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? Max On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. > Max did you check the new Editor class. > > Stef > > >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >> >> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >> >> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >> >> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >> >> Max >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. Max did you check the new Editor class. Stef > Hi everyone. > > I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? > In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. > > Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. > Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: > â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line > â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line > â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word > â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word > â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) > â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line > â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) > > I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. > I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. > > Thanks for listening to my yapping :) > > Max > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010