July 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Object>>name important?

by Igor Stasenko

The #name is sent to object to display an inspector title. also used in inspector for printing an instances with default printstring method. On 21 July 2010 18:45, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > Hi! > > Time to time, I need to create a #name method on my class. But I found a bit ugly to do an override. > Is Object>>name that important? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Literal array with evaluated value of stmts, vars etc..

by Alexandre Bergel

+1 On 22 Jul 2010, at 20:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I do not see what does this hacks bring. > We have closure and objects so far this is enough. After we can find case where an extension can be handy > but I prefer to focus on real problem. > > Stef > > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote: > >> And of course the extensibility it gives: >> >> [ 1->'asd'. 2->'asd'. 3->'dsd' ] asDictionary >> >> ... >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari <skrishnamachari(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> It's different because evaluated only once, either at method compilation >> >>> or at first execution (lazy initialization). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] Another O2 deprecation warning

by Johan Fabry

Right-click on a protocol -> The method Boolean and:and: has been deprecated. use and: Culprits: - O2CmdExcludeClass>>isActive - O2CmdTestPackage>>isActive - O2CmdTestClass>>isActive - O2CmdExcludeMethod>>isActive I fixed them in my image. Do I publish a new O2-Enhancements package on SqueakSource or do you want to reapply the fixes i.e. simply put () where necesarry. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by Nicolas Cellier

Hi, I tried some of these in Mac TextEdit, and they don't all work as advertised. Anyway, please don't let the feel become Maccentric. Let us rather choose among native (default ?), classic squeak, or customizable. Nicolas 2010/7/22 Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> > > Hi everyone. > I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? > In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. > Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. > Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: > > cmd + -> : go to end of line > cmd + <- : go to beginning of line > alt + -> : go to end of the current word > alt + -> : go to beginning of current word > alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) > alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line > cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) > > I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. > I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. > Thanks for listening to my yapping :) > Max > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] State of Sound in Morph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 22/07/2010 20:53, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> >> Of course I took your latest commit. Do this latest commit include the >> patches Stephane mentioned? > > no I guess not. > Hilaire if you can have a look at the bugtracker and harvest the fixes into sound > it would be great. Sure Hilaire

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks max. Yes they did not change the shortcuts but switch to use the new texteditor. For the shortcut we should really spend time assessing keybinding or keymapper. Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Max Leske wrote: > I checked Squeak 4.1 basic image (Damien's server didn't let me download the SqueakDev image). There are no preferences in the preferences browser for editing shortcuts. The only shortcut I could verify was cmd + -> and cmd + <- for skipping words (I have that in my list as alt + -> and alt + <-). There seem to be a couple of other nice shortcuts (e.g. advancing to the next argument when typing a multi argument message) but I's prefer the basic shortcuts would work... > > There is an Editor class with two sub classes that has replaced a former implementation (apparently TextMorphEditor). I couldn't figure out where the shortcuts are actually defined though. > > Max > > On 22.07.2010, at 20:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I guess that they did that in squeak can you check? >> >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Max Leske wrote: >> >>> No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. >>> Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. >>>> Max did you check the new Editor class. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone. >>>>> >>>>> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >>>>> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >>>>> >>>>> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >>>>> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >>>>> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >>>>> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >>>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >>>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >>>>> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >>>>> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >>>>> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >>>>> >>>>> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >>>>> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >>>>> >>>>> Max >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Mac like editing?

by Max Leske

I checked Squeak 4.1 basic image (Damien's server didn't let me download the SqueakDev image). There are no preferences in the preferences browser for editing shortcuts. The only shortcut I could verify was cmd + -> and cmd + <- for skipping words (I have that in my list as alt + -> and alt + <-). There seem to be a couple of other nice shortcuts (e.g. advancing to the next argument when typing a multi argument message) but I's prefer the basic shortcuts would work... There is an Editor class with two sub classes that has replaced a former implementation (apparently TextMorphEditor). I couldn't figure out where the shortcuts are actually defined though. Max On 22.07.2010, at 20:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I guess that they did that in squeak can you check? > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Max Leske wrote: > >> No I haven't. I'll take a look at it later on. >> Are you planning to replace Paragraph with Editor? >> >> Max >> >> >> On 22.07.2010, at 20:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> What I want is a real way to define, plug a shortcut table. >>> Max did you check the new Editor class. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>>> Hi everyone. >>>> >>>> I have no idea what the status is on the editor in pharo and if there are any plans to do something to / with it. If there's some resource, could you point me to it? >>>> In the meantime I thought I'd share my impressions with you; doesn't hurt at least. >>>> >>>> Since I started developing in Pharo I've struggled with the editor, in particular with the fact that I need to use the mouse a lot to position the cursor which, as all of you know, makes development quite a bit slower. >>>> Before I came to Pharo I used to develop in Eclipse and Eclipse supports all shortcuts used inside OS X (and if not you can change the shortcut settings). My favorite shortcuts: >>>> â¢ cmd + -> : go to end of line >>>> â¢ cmd + <- : go to beginning of line >>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to end of the current word >>>> â¢ alt + -> : go to beginning of current word >>>> â¢ alt + arrow up : switch the line above with the current line (current line has line number -1, line above has line number +1) >>>> â¢ alt + arrow down : switch the line below with the current line >>>> â¢ cmd + l : delete line (I know this shortcut is used to cancel changes at the moment. Still, I haven't found a shortcut yet that deletes a single line) >>>> >>>> I'd LOVE to see this in Pharo, or at least be able to configure the shortcuts myself. I think, being able to change the shortcuts is important anyway because each developer has an own style. >>>> I'd try to come up with a solution myself but I just don't have the time at the moment. >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening to my yapping :) >>>> >>>> Max >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Literal array with evaluated value of stmts, vars etc..

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I do not see what does this hacks bring. We have closure and objects so far this is enough. After we can find case where an extension can be handy but I prefer to focus on real problem. Stef On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote: > And of course the extensibility it gives: > > [ 1->'asd'. 2->'asd'. 3->'dsd' ] asDictionary > > ... > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari <skrishnamachari(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > It's different because evaluated only once, either at method compilation > > > or at first execution (lazy initialization). > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Symbol >> #asClass ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes! >> AFAIK there's no usable namespace implementation for Pharo. As soon as one >> will be available, that will be able to solve the class lookup. I'm not sure about what you imply by class lookup. So far a class is defined in an environment and we can have multiple environment. We did some tests with lukas and the browser nearly worked. > Right, but a lot of refactorings in the past were made to get rid of > the hardcoded references to Smalltalk. Now a method like #asClass just > puts it (secretly) back in. Classes should be looked up in the context > of a context, such as an existing class.

July 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] State of Sound in Morph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> I tried the Pharo sound package, so far it looks sound is not working. >> Is it true or is it a mistake of myself. >> >> For example: >> >> No sound output when executing: >> FMSound bass1 play >> >> DNU FMSound copy when executing: >> (FMSound lowMajorScaleOn: FMSound bass1) play > > oops, the DNU message was FMSound>>clone (and not #copy as I wrote) > So this #clone message is gone. > I have tested with a PharoCore1.11291 > > Of course I took your latest commit. Do this latest commit include the > patches Stephane mentioned? no I guess not. Hilaire if you can have a look at the bugtracker and harvest the fixes into sound it would be great. > To say the true, I came to test the sound feature after I compiled a VM > for the XO-1 environment with the sound plugin, then I wanted to check > some sound, I realized the classes were not in the image I was using (a > core one), so I took a look in PharoNonCore, load and test the package. > Then I wondered if I did something wrong. normally not :) > > > Hilaire > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 22, 2010