July 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] XML Demarshalling

by Larry Gadallah

Hi all: I am a noob searching for an example of how to demarshall a set of simple and complex XML nodes into an object using Pastell or something similar. I have found many examples of how to pick out all of the elements of a certain type into a collection, but I'm trying to grab the data from a mixed collection of (~20) elements that are children of a particular element type and unpack them into an object. Does anyone know of some good examples of how to do this using Pastell or something similar? Thanks, -- Larry Gadallah, VE6VQ/W7Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â lgadallah AT gmail DOT com PGP Sig: 917E DDB7 C911 9EC1 0CD9Â C06B 06C4 835F 0BB8 7336

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Ramon Leon

On 7/16/2010 4:22 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > Not, I'm talking about a particular context. I needed a simple logging > of text on a text file and don't wanted to invest the time to > understand the whole thing behind the logger of K. > > GermÃ¡n. I hear you, I like simple as well; I setup a syslog/syslog-ng server and let Linux worry about it. Here's my logger... SysLog>>sendPriority: anErrorLevel body: someText [ self sendPriority: anErrorLevel body: someText toServer: (SSConfig at: #sysLogServer) ] on: Error do: [] SysLog>>sendPriority: aPriority body: aBody toServer: anIPAddress | logServer client logHostIP | anIPAddress isEmptyOrNil ifTrue: [ ^self ]. logServer := Socket newUDP setPort: 514. [ client := Socket newUDP. [ logHostIP := ((anIPAddress split: '.') collect: [:e | e asInteger ]) asByteArray . client sendUDPData: aPriority , ' ' , aBody toHost: logHostIP port: logServer port ] ensure: [ client closeAndDestroy ] ] ensure: [ logServer closeAndDestroy ] That's about all I need from my logging package. -- Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com

July 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] [Offtopic] Self 4.4 released

by Geert Claes

Russell Allen wrote: > > Dear all, > > Forgive the off-topic email :) > > I would like to announce the release of version 4.4 of the Self > environment. > > Self is a prototype-based dynamic object-oriented programming language, > environment, and virtual machine centred around the principles of > simplicity, uniformity, concreteness, and liveness. > > Self includes a programming language, a collection of objects defined in > the Self language, and a programming environment built in Self for writing > Self programs. The language and environment attempt to present objects to > the programmer and user in as direct and physical a way as possible. The > system uses the prototype-based style of object construction. > > Self is the canonical prototype based language within the Smalltalk > family. It is open source under a BSD-like licence and includes a fast VM > and a development environment built on the original Morphic GUI that > Squeak's Morphic is a descendent of. > > Changes in release 4.4 include: > - an improved Quartz based backend for the MacOS X version and > - a working port of Self to Linux (x86); > - various bug fixes and general improvements. > > You can download Self from the website at http://selflanguage.org/ in > binary form and all sources are available either by running Self or at > http://github.com/russellallen/self/ > > Documentation includes the Self Handbook at http://docs.selflanguage.org > and a large number of published papers on Self at > http://selflanguage.org/documentation/published/ > > You can keep up to date with Self by following either the Self blog at > http://blog.selflanguage.org or joining the Self mailing list - details at > http://selflanguage.org/discuss/ and archive at > http://forum.selflanguage.org > > Yours selfishly, > > Russell > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Offtopic-Self-4-4-released-tp2291396p2291396.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Guillermo Polito

I don't have any time by now, but It would be better to have only one log tool, maybe with extensions. Not 3 different ones. There should be a way to have an integrated version that more or less suits the most people. Maybe the most simple solution is a set of adapters to make the three tools polymorphic, and a metacello conf to load them. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:36 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hehe, I'm not against Metacello, but will not write a conf to this tiny > project. > > Not by now :) > > 2010/7/16 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > Another advantage of using Metacello is that even if you don't have > > dependencies, it helps you to release and define stable versions. How do > you > > know which mcz should I use ? which one is the stable ? > > > > If in 3 months I download it again (the latest) in the same Pharo image, > > will it work? You cannot know it. > > > > 2010/7/16 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Alex: > >>> > >>> Yes I know how to write a configuration (I did one for Iliad) but to > >>> this case in particular I think have not sense. My logger is only one > >>> class with a few methods.....Easily you can include the class on your > >>> own project. > >> > >> Having a configuration for all tools means there's one way to load every > >> package. That means we can automate with the Hudson server and check > that > >> every package can load on Pharo. It's also easier for newbies, they can > >> start by learning only one (documented) way to load a tool. > >> That's a great strength in Ruby world, there's a gem for every lib. > >> Anyway, I can do it as it's an opportunity to record a screencast for > >> Pharocasts to show how to write a ConfigurationOfXXX and put it on > >> MetacelloRepository. (if anybody else want to do it I can help) > >> Cheers, > >> Laurent > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers. > >>> GermÃ¡n. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > >>> > Hi GermÃ¡n, > >>> > > >>> > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, > they > >>> > are indispensable to manage dependencies. > >>> > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The > dependency > >>> > I will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. > >>> > > >>> > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: > >>> > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). > >>> > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Cheers, > >>> > Alexandre > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Hi Alex: > >>> >> > >>> >> I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not > necessary, > >>> >> being that is really very simple. > >>> >> > >>> >> On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the > thread > >>> >> "About Configurations". > >>> >> > >>> >> Cheers. > >>> >> GermÃ¡n. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > >>> >>>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' > :) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Hi GermÃ¡n, > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Do you have a configuration for this? > >>> >>> Thanks for the documentation > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Cheers, > >>> >>> Alexandre > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

hehe, I'm not against Metacello, but will not write a conf to this tiny project. Not by now :) 2010/7/16 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Another advantage of using Metacello is that even if you don't have > dependencies, it helps you to release and define stable versions. How do you > know which mcz should I use ? which one is the stable ? > > If in 3 months I download it again (the latest) in the same Pharo image, > will it work?Â You cannot know it. > > 2010/7/16 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alex: >>> >>> Yes I know how to write a configuration (I did one for Iliad) but to >>> this case in particular I think have not sense. My logger is only one >>> class with a few methods.....Easily you can include the class on your >>> own project. >> >> Having a configuration for all tools means there's one way to load every >> package. That means we can automate with the Hudson server and check that >> every package can load on Pharo. It's also easier for newbies, they can >> start by learning only one (documented) way to load a tool. >> That's a great strength in Ruby world, there's a gem for every lib. >> Anyway, I can do it as it's an opportunity to record a screencast for >> Pharocasts to show how to write a ConfigurationOfXXX and put it on >> MetacelloRepository. (if anybody else want to do it I can help) >> Cheers, >> Laurent >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> GermÃ¡n. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> > Hi GermÃ¡n, >>> > >>> > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they >>> > are indispensable to manage dependencies. >>> > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency >>> > I will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. >>> > >>> > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: >>> > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). >>> > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Alexandre >>> > >>> > >>> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi Alex: >>> >> >>> >> I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, >>> >> being that is really very simple. >>> >> >>> >> On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread >>> >> "About Configurations". >>> >> >>> >> Cheers. >>> >> GermÃ¡n. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> >>>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi GermÃ¡n, >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you have a configuration for this? >>> >>> Thanks for the documentation >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Another advantage of using Metacello is that even if you don't have dependencies, it helps you to release and define stable versions. How do you know which mcz should I use ? which one is the stable ? If in 3 months I download it again (the latest) in the same Pharo image, will it work? You cannot know it. 2010/7/16 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Alex: >> >> Yes I know how to write a configuration (I did one for Iliad) but to >> this case in particular I think have not sense. My logger is only one >> class with a few methods.....Easily you can include the class on your >> own project. >> > > Having a configuration for all tools means there's one way to load every > package. That means we can automate with the Hudson server and check that > every package can load on Pharo. It's also easier for newbies, they can > start by learning only one (documented) way to load a tool. > > That's a great strength in Ruby world, there's a gem for every lib. > > Anyway, I can do it as it's an opportunity to record a screencast for > Pharocasts to show how to write a ConfigurationOfXXX and put it on > MetacelloRepository. (if anybody else want to do it I can help) > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > > > > >> >> Cheers. >> GermÃ¡n. >> >> >> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> > Hi GermÃ¡n, >> > >> > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they >> are indispensable to manage dependencies. >> > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency >> I will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. >> > >> > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: >> > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). >> > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Alex: >> >> >> >> I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, >> >> being that is really very simple. >> >> >> >> On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread >> >> "About Configurations". >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> GermÃ¡n. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> >>>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >> >>> >> >>> Hi GermÃ¡n, >> >>> >> >>> Do you have a configuration for this? >> >>> Thanks for the documentation >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Alexandre >> >>> >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by laurent laffont

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Alex: > > Yes I know how to write a configuration (I did one for Iliad) but to > this case in particular I think have not sense. My logger is only one > class with a few methods.....Easily you can include the class on your > own project. > Having a configuration for all tools means there's one way to load every package. That means we can automate with the Hudson server and check that every package can load on Pharo. It's also easier for newbies, they can start by learning only one (documented) way to load a tool. That's a great strength in Ruby world, there's a gem for every lib. Anyway, I can do it as it's an opportunity to record a screencast for Pharocasts to show how to write a ConfigurationOfXXX and put it on MetacelloRepository. (if anybody else want to do it I can help) Cheers, Laurent > > Cheers. > GermÃ¡n. > > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > > Hi GermÃ¡n, > > > > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they > are indispensable to manage dependencies. > > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency I > will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. > > > > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: > > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). > > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > > >> Hi Alex: > >> > >> I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, > >> being that is really very simple. > >> > >> On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread > >> "About Configurations". > >> > >> Cheers. > >> GermÃ¡n. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > >>>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > >>> > >>> Hi GermÃ¡n, > >>> > >>> Do you have a configuration for this? > >>> Thanks for the documentation > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi CÃ©sar: Not, I'm talking about a particular context. I needed a simple logging of text on a text file and don't wanted to invest the time to understand the whole thing behind the logger of K. I found more easy write my own class (only a few minutes) and I have the thing I need. In my 25 years developing software (starting on old mainframes) I frequentlly found myself writing my own tools, instead of use other complex ones. I'm not talking about this case of logger in particular, but I'm sure you and all of us, invested lot of time searching a tool that make "aproximately" what we need now, but, almost allways the tool don't do "exactly" what we need. At this point, the loss of time begins (in my pov). I tend to use and develop the more simple things I can to solve the specific need, this is my style of work and I think that is the way to have a best use of the time. GermÃ¡n. 2010/7/15 <csrabak(a)bol.com.br>: > GermÃ¡n, > > The e-mail you mention is about three pages of plain text and seems to be issued in lieu of documentation for the piece of software. > > Are you suggesting anything such size is not worth writing for documenting the use of SW released for Pharo!? > > > > Em 14/07/2010 08:37, GermÃ¡n Arduino < garduino(a)gmail.com > escreveu: > Hi Mariano: > > Yes, I know both but honestly wanted something very simple.....May be > I'm too lazy but can't afford to read a mail of this extension: > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2008-December/132923… > :) > > Toothpick look better (to my needs) but still wanted something more simple. > > GermÃ¡n. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi Alex: Yes I know how to write a configuration (I did one for Iliad) but to this case in particular I think have not sense. My logger is only one class with a few methods.....Easily you can include the class on your own project. Cheers. GermÃ¡n. 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > Hi GermÃ¡n, > > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they are indispensable to manage dependencies. > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency I will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. > > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. > > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >> Hi Alex: >> >> I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, >> being that is really very simple. >> >> On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread >> "About Configurations". >> >> Cheers. >> GermÃ¡n. >> >> >> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >>> >>> Hi GermÃ¡n, >>> >>> Do you have a configuration for this? >>> Thanks for the documentation >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>>>

July 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] ESUG 2010 early registration deadline is appraoching

by Noury Bouraqadi

Dear Smalltalkers, I'd like to remind you that only 2 weeks left to register at the early bird registration fee to the ESUG 2010 conference. http://registration.esug.org/ The program will be exciting as you can see from the list of talk: http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010/Talks BTW, don't forget to submit your software to the ESUG Awards by sending an email to : bouraqadi@gmail.com,luc.fabresse@mines-douai.fr More info on: http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010/Innovation+Technology+Awards See you in Barcelona, Noury http://csl.ensm-douai.fr/noury ---- -18th International Smalltalk Joint Conference, September 13 -17 2010 Barcelona, Spain. http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...

by Geert Claes

Dale Henrichs wrote: > > The EOCD error is indicative of a corrupt mcz file (typically caused by an > error occuring during download) ... the corrupt mcz file is probably in > your package cache ... so you should clear your package and try again > ... if it fails again, I'd like to know which mcz file and repository the > error is occuring for... > I have no idea what is going on here, but it seems like I get the same error for all packages so its not just a ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader issue but more a general network issue on my side. I am behind a proxy server here which continuously causes problems, so I can't wait for http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2494 for Pharo to simply use the host OS network settings :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader-tp2288788p2291068.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Cleaning morphic?

by Geert Claes

Guillermo Polito wrote: > > I know morphic is one of the greatest issues Squeak and Pharo have. And > I'm tired of the kilometric morph hierarchies with tons of methods that > noone uses, and the impossible traceability of the morphic code... > Great initiative, I reckon if morphic can be made easier to understand it would encourage more people to contribute code and/or fix bugs. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Cleaning-morphic-tp2287520p2291051.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Cleaning morphic?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Guille: I developed a couple of tools that may help you. The first one is a tool to discover the classes that were used for a particular time duration or block. http://www.squeaksource.com/ClaseUseDiscovery You should read: http://forum.world.st/ANN-ClaseUseDiscovery-tool-tp1296859p1296859.html On the other hand, you can also try to replace each CompiledMethod of Morphic by a MethodWrapper that just logs its name or something like that. Then you can know which methods were executed. In the dev image 1.1 there is already the package MethodsWrapper from the repository: http://www.squeaksource.com/ObjectMetaTools In the package ObjectMetaTools of the same repository, you have ProtocolCatcher. Check its class comment. Finally, I think a very good idea is to use Adrian Lienchard DTrace integration to the VM: http://forum.world.st/ANN-DTrace-for-Squeak-Pharo-td2173422.html#a2173422 So...what I am saying with all these is that probably, search senders is not enough to clean Mprhic, as Levente said. I would take a dev image, and I would load big projects, like Moose (complete complete), Dr Geo2, etc, and I would use the tools, run all the tests, and check on runtime what is being really used. Good luck Mariano On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Hi > I got a flu last week. :) > > Now how to proceed: step by step :) > Start little do it often. > So what I suggest is that you go one fix at a time, you send it to the > list, open a ticket, people get a chance to argue > and we loop million of times. > > For example > - I would like to understand if they are not things to be changed > now that we have true bloclosure - for menu opening... > like PluggableXXXX and fix that > - I would like to have less subclass of StringHolder :) > - Something good would be to check the fix Juan did in CUIS for the > scrollbars and friends. > > Yes cleaning morphic is important. > > > > I know morphic is one of the greatest issues Squeak and Pharo have. And > I'm tired of the kilometric morph hierarchies with tons of methods that > noone uses, and the impossible traceability of the morphic code... > > > > And I'm sure that a lot of people tried it before... And this isn't the > highest priority. But I think morphic cleansing should be done. > > > > So, while i'm now in bed beacause of a flu, hehe, I want at least remove > unused morph classes and unused methods... Or maybe we can separate some > things from the core. Of course I will be "spamming" in the list asking for > the changes I will do :P. > > > > what do you think? Do I open a ticket? > > > > Guille > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by laurent laffont

> > > Uh, another thing to learn, but that can be usefull. > Especially if you look at Pharocasts as a way to promote your software :) > I don't promise anything yet, because the project I had in mind is complex > (Smallapack). > I should first try with a very simple one... > I'll be glad to help Laurent > > Nicolas > > >>> Nicolas >>> >>> >>> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> >>> >>>> > >>>> > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and >>>> execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I >>>> always do like this now (quick). >>>> >>>> Cool! >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Laurent. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > Alexandre >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Hi Alex: >>>> > > >>>> > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not >>>> necessary, >>>> > > being that is really very simple. >>>> > > >>>> > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the >>>> thread >>>> > > "About Configurations". >>>> > > >>>> > > Cheers. >>>> > > GermÃ¡n. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>> > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' >>>> :) >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Do you have a configuration for this? >>>> > >> Thanks for the documentation >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Cheers, >>>> > >> Alexandre >>>> > >> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> > >>>> start small :) >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not >>>> take any possibility to build it incrementally >>>> > >>>>>> Stef >>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about >>>> how to >>>> > >>>>> use each tool..... >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > >>>> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > >>> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -- >>>> > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > >> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > ================================================= >>>> > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >>>> > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>>> > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >>>> > > ================================================= >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] Cleaning morphic - Step 1 - About "Morphic-Ballon" and the Ballon category

by Guillermo Polito

Hi! Does anyone know what the Ballon category and its related morphs are for? Someone uses it? Is it useful in the Core of pharo? Did Someone try previously to remove it and failed? why? thanks in advance :) Guille

July 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] Is SystemChangeNotifier notifying about protocol changed (with what changed)?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys I'm trying to work on the integration of the new Rapckage implementation and for this I'm trying to shield myself from event and building system anouncements.... Now when a protocol is added in a class, I get a reorganized event but I do not get the changed element.... And I checked and I see that: notifyOfChangedCategoriesFrom: oldCollectionOrNil to: newCollectionOrNil (self hasSubject and: [oldCollectionOrNil ~= newCollectionOrNil]) ifTrue: [SystemChangeNotifier uniqueInstance classReorganized: self subject]. Am I correct to think that systemNotification does not raised what changed :( arghhhhhhh Stef

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

GermÃ¡n, The e-mail you mention is about three pages of plain text and seems to be issued in lieu of documentation for the piece of software. Are you suggesting anything such size is not worth writing for documenting the use of SW released for Pharo!? Em 14/07/2010 08:37, GermÃ¡n Arduino < garduino(a)gmail.com > escreveu: Hi Mariano: Yes, I know both but honestly wanted something very simple.....May be I'm too lazy but can't afford to read a mail of this extension: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2008-December/132923… :) Toothpick look better (to my needs) but still wanted something more simple. GermÃ¡n.

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Nicolas Cellier

2010/7/15 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > > 2010/7/15 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> > > Thnaks for the tips. >> I feel like a newbie :) >> > > Can you record (screencast) yourself doing it (if you have time and know > how to record a screencast > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-i-record-screencasts-for-pharoca…) > that's a good simple example for pharocasts. > > - create the config using ProfStef > - upload it on MetacelloRepository. > > Just send me the rush. If you make mistakes don't be scared, I can cut it > later and I will add subtitles. > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > Uh, another thing to learn, but that can be usefull. I don't promise anything yet, because the project I had in mind is complex (Smallapack). I should first try with a very simple one... Nicolas >> Nicolas >> >> >> 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> >> >>> > >>> > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and >>> execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I >>> always do like this now (quick). >>> >>> Cool! >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> > >>> > Laurent. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Alexandre >>> > >>> > >>> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi Alex: >>> > > >>> > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not >>> necessary, >>> > > being that is really very simple. >>> > > >>> > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread >>> > > "About Configurations". >>> > > >>> > > Cheers. >>> > > GermÃ¡n. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >>> > >> >>> > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, >>> > >> >>> > >> Do you have a configuration for this? >>> > >> Thanks for the documentation >>> > >> >>> > >> Cheers, >>> > >> Alexandre >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> > >>>> start small :) >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not >>> take any possibility to build it incrementally >>> > >>>>>> Stef >>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > >>>>>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about >>> how to >>> > >>>>> use each tool..... >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > >>>>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > >>>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > >>> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Pharo-project mailing list >>> > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > ================================================= >>> > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >>> > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>> > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >>> > > ================================================= >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>> > -- >>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] VM more flexible for research?

by John M McIntosh

Well here is a non-obvious solution. (a) take your handy Pharo image and convert it to 64 bits. (b) take your handy 64bit VM that runs 64bit images, I believe you can build one for any platform. (c) exploit the 32 extra free bits you'll find in the header. On 2010-07-15, at 6:30 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. I am a newbie for both research and VM. However, in the little time I have been working on this, I always need some extra bits in the object header to do some experiments. > And the problem is that I always have only one :( > > So I come to the idea of having a more flexible VM for the people that want to experiment with it. > > The first idea was to remove compact classes. But of course, there may be much more ideas or things to do. > > What do you think? > > Cheers > > Mariano > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...

by Dale Henrichs

Geert Claes wrote: > Dale Henrichs wrote: > Was your error 'Error: Name not found: Gofer Core' and was it generated using the OB-Metacello tools? If so, then you are hitting a bug that is related to http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=79, where you might just be trying to load an earlier version GoferProejctLoader when a later version is loaded ... Otherwise, I tried loading it all three different versions into a PharoCore 1.1 and it loaded fine, so I'll need more details on the error to understand what might be wrong... > I downloaded a fresh 1.1 rc4 image and I get a "Can't find EOCD position" error. I tried the following: Open the Monticello browser, Open the MetacelloRepository, click on ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader-DaleHendrichs.16.mcz. and load (see screenshot below) [http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/EOCD_Position.png] When I open a workspace and Do the following (see screenshot below) Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader) project latestVersion load. [http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/EOCD_Position2.png] A second attempt seems to give a readStream error (see screenshot below): [http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/readStream.png] I will try to give this a go at home to see if I get the same error. > ________________________________ > View this message in context: Re: ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...<http://forum.world.st/ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader-tp2288788p2289777.h…> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive<http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-f1294837.html> at Nabble.com. > > Geert, The EOCD error is indicative of a corrupt mcz file (typically caused by an error occuring during download) ... the corrupt mcz file is probably in your package cache ... so you should clear your package and try again ... if it fails again, I'd like to know which mcz file and repository the error is occuring for... Dale

July 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] Evaluation of Pharo for Commercial Project

by Torsten Bergmann

>We are used to VisualAge and VisualWorks, which clearly shows the >structure of packages in the browser Do you know O2 browser for Pharo? It's an additional browser that shows the packages similar to VW. See [1] and ask on the pharo list to get the right version for your image. >We are uncertain how packages are made and how they show up in Monticello. Monticello is simple - an MCZ is just a ZIP including the code. Monticello (ab)uses class/method categories to find out which package the code belongs to. Packaging is simple: in short if you create a package "MyApp" in Monticello any class that is in a class category that starts with "MyApp" will be in this package. Example: a) class "MyClass" in class category "MyApp-Core" and b) class "MyModelClass" in class category "MyApp-Core-Model" and c) class "MyTestCase" in class category "MyApp-Tests" 1. When you create a Monticello package (in the Monticello browser) called "MyApp" automatically all three classes (core and tests) are then into this simple package (click on "Browse" to verify) 2. If you want core and tests in separate packages you create two packages "MyApp-Core" (automatically including a and b) and "MyApp-Tests" with c. Method extensions: If you put a method in a category with a leading star and your package name it gets included too. So if you put a method #foo on String into the method category "*myapp-core" it is a method extension on String packaged in "MyApp-Core" package. If you have well named packages this works good and even works in the large. Typically packages are stored in repositories (www.squeaksource.com repo server, local (shared) directories, FTP, ...) Read the http://pharobyexample.org/ book to get more info on Monticello. Also check out http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > Since we are unable to organize our code in packages, controlling and > verifying dependencies between them is hard. This is adressed using METACELLO (which manages Monticello packages) - think of Monticello to provide packages and Metacello as configurations to manage which package (version) depends on which other package (version) You just describe baselines (structure and dependencies) and versions that fit together in a class/package called "ConfigurationOfMyApp". See [2] and [3] and the ProfStef teacher workspace that comes with Pharo to learn more. If stuck just ask. Namespace support and better Breakpoint support will (hopefully) adressed in the near future. Also better packaging. Bye T. [1] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-January/020475.ht… [2] http://code.google.com/p/metacello/ [3] https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27018/Monticello.pdf -- GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] VM more flexible for research?

by Alexandre Bergel

This is a recurrent wish. I have seen many post on this. I remember LexSpoon wanted a read-only bit in the header... Cheers, Alexandre On 15 Jul 2010, at 15:30, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. I am a newbie for both research and VM. However, in the little time I have been working on this, I always need some extra bits in the object header to do some experiments. > And the problem is that I always have only one :( > > So I come to the idea of having a more flexible VM for the people that want to experiment with it. > > The first idea was to remove compact classes. But of course, there may be much more ideas or things to do. > > What do you think? > > Cheers > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] material for thought

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Lessons learned by the seaside lead! from http://blog.fitzell.ca/2010/07/seaside-3-release-candidate.html â¢ When your wonderful, dedicated users start putting your code into production, they're telling you it's ready to be released. Listen to them. â¢ We don't have the manpower to carry out the kind of QA process that goes along with an Development, Alpha, Beta, RC, Final release process. â¢ We need to figure out how to get more users actively involved in the project. This could be by writing code but probably more importantly by writing documentation, improving usability, building releases, managing the website, doing graphical design, or something else entirely. The small core team simply can't handle it all. I think that the point three concern .... you :) If you want really pharo to be a success you should from time to time step back from your keyboard and think about the little actions that you can do to make pharo better and we all can do something. Stef

July 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] VM more flexible for research?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I am a newbie for both research and VM. However, in the little time I have been working on this, I always need some extra bits in the object header to do some experiments. And the problem is that I always have only one :( So I come to the idea of having a more flexible VM for the people that want to experiment with it. The first idea was to remove compact classes. But of course, there may be much more ideas or things to do. What do you think? Cheers Mariano

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by laurent laffont

2010/7/15 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> > Thnaks for the tips. > I feel like a newbie :) > Can you record (screencast) yourself doing it (if you have time and know how to record a screencast http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-i-record-screencasts-for-pharoca…) that's a good simple example for pharocasts. - create the config using ProfStef - upload it on MetacelloRepository. Just send me the rush. If you make mistakes don't be scared, I can cut it later and I will add subtitles. Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > Nicolas > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > >> > >> > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and >> execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I >> always do like this now (quick). >> >> Cool! >> >> Alexandre >> >> > >> > Laurent. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Alex: >> > > >> > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, >> > > being that is really very simple. >> > > >> > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread >> > > "About Configurations". >> > > >> > > Cheers. >> > > GermÃ¡n. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >> > >> >> > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, >> > >> >> > >> Do you have a configuration for this? >> > >> Thanks for the documentation >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, >> > >> Alexandre >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> > >>>> start small :) >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not >> take any possibility to build it incrementally >> > >>>>>> Stef >> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > >>>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about >> how to >> > >>>>> use each tool..... >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > >>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > >>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Pharo-project mailing list >> > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > ================================================= >> > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >> > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >> > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >> > > ================================================= >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pharo-project mailing list >> > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Alexandre Bergel

> > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I always do like this now (quick). Cool! Alexandre > > Laurent. > > > > > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > > Hi Alex: > > > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, > > being that is really very simple. > > > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread > > "About Configurations". > > > > Cheers. > > GermÃ¡n. > > > > > > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > >> > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, > >> > >> Do you have a configuration for this? > >> Thanks for the documentation > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> > >>> > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>>> start small :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally > >>>>>> Stef > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to > >>>>> use each tool..... > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================================= > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > > ================================================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Nicolas Cellier

Thnaks for the tips. I feel like a newbie :) Nicolas 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > > > > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and > execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I > always do like this now (quick). > > Cool! > > Alexandre > > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > > > > Hi Alex: > > > > > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, > > > being that is really very simple. > > > > > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread > > > "About Configurations". > > > > > > Cheers. > > > GermÃ¡n. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > > >> > > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, > > >> > > >> Do you have a configuration for this? > > >> Thanks for the documentation > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Alexandre > > >> > > >>> > > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > >>>> start small :) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take > any possibility to build it incrementally > > >>>>>> Stef > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how > to > > >>>>> use each tool..... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> > > >> -- > > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Pharo-project mailing list > > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ================================================= > > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > > > ================================================= > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Hi GermÃ¡n, > > Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they are > indispensable to manage dependencies. > Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency I > will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. > > It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: > ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). > ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. > In Pharo 1.1, just clic on WorldMenu > Help > ProfStef Browser and execute Metacello Tutorial step by step: modify the code & evaluate. I always do like this now (quick). Laurent. > > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > > Hi Alex: > > > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, > > being that is really very simple. > > > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread > > "About Configurations". > > > > Cheers. > > GermÃ¡n. > > > > > > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > >> > >> Hi GermÃ¡n, > >> > >> Do you have a configuration for this? > >> Thanks for the documentation > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> > >>> > >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>>> start small :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take > any possibility to build it incrementally > >>>>>> Stef > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how > to > >>>>> use each tool..... > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================================= > > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > > ================================================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi GermÃ¡n, Configuration may be a bit tricky to write time to time. However, they are indispensable to manage dependencies. Suppose I want to use your logger in one of my software. The dependency I will introduce is easier if you have a configuration. It takes 4,5 minutes to write one with the tutorial: ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). ProfStef goOn: MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial. Cheers, Alexandre On 15 Jul 2010, at 13:45, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > Hi Alex: > > I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, > being that is really very simple. > > On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread > "About Configurations". > > Cheers. > GermÃ¡n. > > > > 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) >> >> Hi GermÃ¡n, >> >> Do you have a configuration for this? >> Thanks for the documentation >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >>> >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> start small :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>>>>> >>>>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to >>>>> use each tool..... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > ================================================= > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > ================================================= > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

excellent! On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:30 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > > 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> start small :) >> >> >> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>>> >>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>>> >>>> >>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >>>> Stef >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to >>> use each tool..... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi Alex: I have not a configuration for this package, I think is not necessary, being that is really very simple. On squeak-dev the people is talking about these topics, on the thread "About Configurations". Cheers. GermÃ¡n. 2010/7/15 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) > > Hi GermÃ¡n, > > Do you have a configuration for this? > Thanks for the documentation > > Cheers, > Alexandre > >> >> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> start small :) >>> >>> >>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> >>>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>>>> >>>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >>>>> Stef >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to >>>> use each tool..... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Alexandre Bergel

> ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) Hi GermÃ¡n, Do you have a configuration for this? Thanks for the documentation Cheers, Alexandre > > 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> start small :) >> >> >> On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> >>> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>>> >>>> took me less than 7 minutes >>>> >>>> >>>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >>>> Stef >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to >>> use each tool..... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

ok, I added the documentation of my own package......Took me 15' :) 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > start small :) > > > On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >> 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >>> >>> took me less than 7 minutes >>> >>> >>> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >>> Stef >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to >> use each tool..... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

start small :) On Jul 15, 2010, at 1:01 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > 2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ >> >> took me less than 7 minutes >> >> >> We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to > use each tool..... > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

2010/7/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ > > took me less than 7 minutes > > > We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > Well, I understood that you wanted a detailed explanation about how to use each tool.....

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] CPU load on Pharo

by Dario Trussardi

Hi, i have do some test about it. >> i work with MAC update to: >> >> Versione sistema: Mac OS X 10.6.4 (10F569) >> Versione kernel: Darwin 10.4.0 >> >> My Pharo image is based on gemtools-1-0-beta-6-one-click-available/ download from: >> >>> >>> http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/gemtools-1-0-beta-6-one-click-… I open a 'virgin' pharo image GemTools-1.0b6 ( i d'ont load anything on it ). After some minutes (15 - 20 ) the system go in CPU overload. In this time i only open the e-mail and the safari. Thanks for any considerations, Dario

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://book.pharo-project.org/book/LoggingTools/ took me less than 7 minutes We should not cry that there is no documentation if we do not take any possibility to build it incrementally Stef

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...

by Geert Claes

Dale Henrichs wrote: > > Was your error 'Error: Name not found: Gofer Core' and was it generated > using the OB-Metacello tools? If so, then you are hitting a bug that is > related to http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=79, where > you might just be trying to load an earlier version GoferProejctLoader > when a later version is loaded ... > > Otherwise, I tried loading it all three different versions into a > PharoCore 1.1 and it loaded fine, so I'll need more details on the error > to understand what might be wrong... > I downloaded a fresh 1.1 rc4 image and I get a "Can't find EOCD position" error. I tried the following: Open the Monticello browser, Open the MetacelloRepository, click on ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader-DaleHendrichs.16.mcz. and load (see screenshot below) http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/EOCD_Position.png When I open a workspace and Do the following (see screenshot below) Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader) project latestVersion load. http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/EOCD_Position2.png A second attempt seems to give a readStream error (see screenshot below): http://forum.world.st/file/n2289777/readStream.png I will try to give this a go at home to see if I get the same error. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader-tp2288788p2289777.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script

by Tudor Girba

Yohoo! That was it. Genius :) Thanks a lot, Doru On 15 Jul 2010, at 08:10, laurent laffont wrote: > > I forgot to mention that I am running Pharo 1.1. If I just execute: > > pharo myimage.image script.st > > > Have you tried with an absolute path ? pharo myimage.image C:\Path\to > \script.st > > Laurent > > > > the image gets spawned, but the whole Pharo is frozen. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 01:50, Rob Rothwell wrote: > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:09:29 +0200 > From: Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script > To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Message-ID: <4EBDA542-0A95-4B8B-941F-FA6E6F4F7BA4(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi, > > I cannot figure out how to open a pharo image and run some script(s) > specified from the Windows command line. > > On Mac/Linux, I would do: > > pharo pharo.image script.st > > Can anyone tell me how to achieve that on Windows? > > Hmm...I just did: > > pharo test.st > > and it worked, with pharo.ini as follows, since I am using a Cog > image that I renamed: > > [Global] > WindowTitle="Pharo" > QuitDialogLabel="Quit Pharo" > ImageFile="Pharo-1.1-11406-rc3dev10.07.2.working.image" > QuitDialogMessage="Are you sure you want to quit Pharo without > saving?" > DeferUpdate=1 > ShowConsole=0 > DynamicConsole=1 > ReduceCPUUsage=1 > ReduceCPUInBackground=0 > 3ButtonMouse=0 > 1ButtonMouse=0 > UseDirectSound=1 > PriorityBoost=1 > B3DXUsesOpenGL=1 > CaseSensitiveFileMode=0 > > My test.st just had: > > Transcript show: 'Hello'. > > But it opened my image and ran the script... > > Some time ago I modified the VM to allow setting the error code from > within the image before exiting so you could check a return value > from a batch file or vbscript, etc... It turned out I didn't need > it at the time, but I've always thought that should become part of > the VM. Of course, it requires a new primitive as well... > > Let me know if I didn't try what you are asking... > > Rob > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal."

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script

by laurent laffont

> > > I forgot to mention that I am running Pharo 1.1. If I just execute: > > pharo myimage.image script.st Have you tried with an absolute path ? pharo myimage.image C:\Path\to\ script.st Laurent > > > the image gets spawned, but the whole Pharo is frozen. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 15 Jul 2010, at 01:50, Rob Rothwell wrote: > > Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:09:29 +0200 >> From: Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script >> To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Message-ID: <4EBDA542-0A95-4B8B-941F-FA6E6F4F7BA4(a)gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi, >> >> I cannot figure out how to open a pharo image and run some script(s) >> specified from the Windows command line. >> >> On Mac/Linux, I would do: >> >> pharo pharo.image script.st >> >> Can anyone tell me how to achieve that on Windows? >> >> Hmm...I just did: >> >> pharo test.st >> >> and it worked, with pharo.ini as follows, since I am using a Cog image >> that I renamed: >> >> [Global] >> WindowTitle="Pharo" >> QuitDialogLabel="Quit Pharo" >> ImageFile="Pharo-1.1-11406-rc3dev10.07.2.working.image" >> QuitDialogMessage="Are you sure you want to quit Pharo without saving?" >> DeferUpdate=1 >> ShowConsole=0 >> DynamicConsole=1 >> ReduceCPUUsage=1 >> ReduceCPUInBackground=0 >> 3ButtonMouse=0 >> 1ButtonMouse=0 >> UseDirectSound=1 >> PriorityBoost=1 >> B3DXUsesOpenGL=1 >> CaseSensitiveFileMode=0 >> >> My test.st just had: >> >> Transcript show: 'Hello'. >> >> But it opened my image and ran the script... >> >> Some time ago I modified the VM to allow setting the error code from >> within the image before exiting so you could check a return value from a >> batch file or vbscript, etc... It turned out I didn't need it at the time, >> but I've always thought that should become part of the VM. Of course, it >> requires a new primitive as well... >> >> Let me know if I didn't try what you are asking... >> >> Rob >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script

by Tudor Girba

Hi Rob, Thanks for the answer. This is indeed the scenario I was looking for, only I would also like to be able to pass the image as a parameter as well. In any case, unfortunately the Cog VM is still beta, and I need to deploy this in a production environment. So, I would need to do it with the regular closure VMs. I forgot to mention that I am running Pharo 1.1. If I just execute: pharo myimage.image script.st the image gets spawned, but the whole Pharo is frozen. Cheers, Doru On 15 Jul 2010, at 01:50, Rob Rothwell wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:09:29 +0200 > From: Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script > To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Message-ID: <4EBDA542-0A95-4B8B-941F-FA6E6F4F7BA4(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi, > > I cannot figure out how to open a pharo image and run some script(s) > specified from the Windows command line. > > On Mac/Linux, I would do: > > pharo pharo.image script.st > > Can anyone tell me how to achieve that on Windows? > > Hmm...I just did: > > pharo test.st > > and it worked, with pharo.ini as follows, since I am using a Cog > image that I renamed: > > [Global] > WindowTitle="Pharo" > QuitDialogLabel="Quit Pharo" > ImageFile="Pharo-1.1-11406-rc3dev10.07.2.working.image" > QuitDialogMessage="Are you sure you want to quit Pharo without > saving?" > DeferUpdate=1 > ShowConsole=0 > DynamicConsole=1 > ReduceCPUUsage=1 > ReduceCPUInBackground=0 > 3ButtonMouse=0 > 1ButtonMouse=0 > UseDirectSound=1 > PriorityBoost=1 > B3DXUsesOpenGL=1 > CaseSensitiveFileMode=0 > > My test.st just had: > > Transcript show: 'Hello'. > > But it opened my image and ran the script... > > Some time ago I modified the VM to allow setting the error code from > within the image before exiting so you could check a return value > from a batch file or vbscript, etc... It turned out I didn't need > it at the time, but I've always thought that should become part of > the VM. Of course, it requires a new primitive as well... > > Let me know if I didn't try what you are asking... > > Rob > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal."

July 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script

by Rob Rothwell

Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:09:29 +0200 > From: Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Pharo-project] running windows vm with input script > To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Message-ID: <4EBDA542-0A95-4B8B-941F-FA6E6F4F7BA4(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi, > > I cannot figure out how to open a pharo image and run some script(s) > specified from the Windows command line. > > On Mac/Linux, I would do: > > pharo pharo.image script.st > > Can anyone tell me how to achieve that on Windows? > Hmm...I just did: pharo test.st and it worked, with pharo.ini as follows, since I am using a Cog image that I renamed: [Global] WindowTitle="Pharo" QuitDialogLabel="Quit Pharo" ImageFile="Pharo-1.1-11406-rc3dev10.07.2.working.image" QuitDialogMessage="Are you sure you want to quit Pharo without saving?" DeferUpdate=1 ShowConsole=0 DynamicConsole=1 ReduceCPUUsage=1 ReduceCPUInBackground=0 3ButtonMouse=0 1ButtonMouse=0 UseDirectSound=1 PriorityBoost=1 B3DXUsesOpenGL=1 CaseSensitiveFileMode=0 My test.st just had: Transcript show: 'Hello'. But it opened my image and ran the script... Some time ago I modified the VM to allow setting the error code from within the image before exiting so you could check a return value from a batch file or vbscript, etc... It turned out I didn't need it at the time, but I've always thought that should become part of the VM. Of course, it requires a new primitive as well... Let me know if I didn't try what you are asking... Rob > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" >

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Thanks Mariano. I'm a bit complicated with times on these days, but will start as soon as I can. Cheers. 2010/7/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, unfortunately I don't know deep the framework of Keith (as I >> said before is >> very heavy to my needs). >> >> Toothpick seems very well documented >> (http://www.metaprog.com/Toothpick/docs/index.html) even when I never >> used it because also is more than my needs. >> >> The other thing is don't know if run on Pharo. >> >> About my own small piece of code, yes, I can write some doc, and even >> extend it a bit (but not much, because I don't wants to add tons of >> functions). >> >> Exist somewhere somes guidelines about writing for the book? >> > > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/bookHelp/ > > And read the following chapters ;) > > I've created a user for you and send the data in a private email. > > Cheers > > Mariano > >> >> GermÃ¡n. >> >> >> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> > about all the loger frameworks >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > On Jul 14, 2010, at 4:33 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> > >> >> About the logger?? >> >> >> >> It's so simple...........but still if you think that may help..... >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >>> can you add a page on the book? >> >>> >> >>> Stef >> >>> >> >>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi German, Thanks very much for the ANN. >> >>>> >> >>>> Just in case, were you aware of SimpleLog, Toothpick and Logging ? >> >>>> >> >>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3706 >> >>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5890 >> >>>> >> >>>> Which are the differences/advantages of yours ? probably that at >> >>>> yours work in latests squeak and pharo versions >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks >> >>>> >> >>>> mariano >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:59 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> Hi: >> >>>> >> >>>> Frequently I need to log operations on text files for things I >> >>>> develop >> >>>> for my customers. >> >>>> >> >>>> I released now a tool (VERY simple) that I use to do so. >> >>>> >> >>>> I hope may be useful to someone. >> >>>> >> >>>> The url is http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleLogger.html >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers. >> >>>> GermÃ¡n. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ================================================= >> >> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino Â <gsa @ arsol.net> Â Twitter: garduino >> >> Arduino Software & Web Hosting Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com >> >> PasswordsPro Â http://www.passwordspro.com >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Configuration how-to

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Request for tips, suggestions and direction. > > What is the state of the art to: > > - load package > Gofer: http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/gofer > - change preference setting (as the one seen in the Pharo setting tools. > Using the new settings scheme. Maybe Alain can help you. > - remove unnecessary bits > #unload I would check ScriptManager >> cleanUpForProduction as an example or cleanUpForRelease > Hilaire > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Evaluation of Pharo for Commercial Project

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I cc'ed pharo-dev On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Runar Jordahl <runar.jordahl(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I am looking at Pharo to evaluate whether it can be used for a > mid-size commercial project. The system will use Seaside. I have > looked at Pharo 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2. > > I am impressed by the work done so far. Pharo looks and feels a lot > better than Squeak, and a lot of enhancements have been done since the > project started. There are however a few issues which hold us back > from using Pharo, listed (in decreasing importance) below: > > > 1 - Package Management > > From what I have seen so far, the concept of âpackages and categoriesâ > is confusing. We are used to VisualAge and VisualWorks, which clearly > shows the structure of packages in the browsers. In Pharo we cannot > find browsers which give us the same overview. We are uncertain how > packages are made and how they show up in Monticello. At one point we > thought category == package, but that seems not to be correct. We note > that method extensions are possible, but we also struggle to > understand all aspects of them. > > I notice that a âPackage management systemâ is in work, so hopefully > this area will improve. > > 2 - Dependency Management between Packages > Since we are unable to organize our code in packages, controlling and > verifying dependencies between them is hard. But from what I > understand, there are not many tools for controlling that packages do > not break dependency rules. > > 3 - Name Space Support > I understand name spaces will not be supported any soon. We have a > project with thousands of classes, and name space support would be > nice to have. > > 4 - Break Point Support > It would be better to have break points, than having to insert code > like âself haltâ into the code. > > > Is there any reason to believe Pharo will improve to meet our > requirements? Did I misunderstand some aspects of Pharo, or are there > tools which can solve what we see as shortcomings? > > Kind regards > Runar Jordahl > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well, unfortunately I don't know deep the framework of Keith (as I > said before is > very heavy to my needs). > > Toothpick seems very well documented > (http://www.metaprog.com/Toothpick/docs/index.html) even when I never > used it because also is more than my needs. > > The other thing is don't know if run on Pharo. > > About my own small piece of code, yes, I can write some doc, and even > extend it a bit (but not much, because I don't wants to add tons of > functions). > > Exist somewhere somes guidelines about writing for the book? > > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/bookHelp/ And read the following chapters ;) I've created a user for you and send the data in a private email. Cheers Mariano > GermÃ¡n. > > > 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > about all the loger frameworks > > > > Stef > > > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 4:33 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > > > >> About the logger?? > >> > >> It's so simple...........but still if you think that may help..... > >> > >> Cheers. > >> > >> > >> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>> can you add a page on the book? > >>> > >>> Stef > >>> > >>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi German, Thanks very much for the ANN. > >>>> > >>>> Just in case, were you aware of SimpleLog, Toothpick and Logging ? > >>>> > >>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3706 > >>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5890 > >>>> > >>>> Which are the differences/advantages of yours ? probably that at yours > work in latests squeak and pharo versions > >>>> > >>>> thanks > >>>> > >>>> mariano > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:59 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> Hi: > >>>> > >>>> Frequently I need to log operations on text files for things I develop > >>>> for my customers. > >>>> > >>>> I released now a tool (VERY simple) that I use to do so. > >>>> > >>>> I hope may be useful to someone. > >>>> > >>>> The url is http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleLogger.html > >>>> > >>>> Cheers. > >>>> GermÃ¡n. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ================================================= > >> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > >> Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > >> PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > >> ================================================= > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

ok, is on my todo list. Will comment when I get something done. GermÃ¡n. 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:11 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >> Well, unfortunately I don't know deep the framework of Keith (as I >> said before is >> very heavy to my needs). >> >> Toothpick seems very well documented >> (http://www.metaprog.com/Toothpick/docs/index.html) even when I never >> used it because also is more than my needs. >> >> The other thing is don't know if run on Pharo. >> >> About my own small piece of code, yes, I can write some doc, and even >> extend it a bit (but not much, because I don't wants to add tons of >> functions). >> >> Exist somewhere somes guidelines about writing for the book? > > first just mention the fact that there are multiple frameworks and how we can load them. > > Documentation is just simple and we should start little step by little step to create contents and contexts. > > Stef > >> >> GermÃ¡n. >> >> >> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> about all the loger frameworks >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 4:33 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> >>>> About the logger?? >>>> >>>> It's so simple...........but still if you think that may help..... >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>> can you add a page on the book? >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi German, Thanks very much for the ANN. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just in case, were you aware of SimpleLog, Toothpick and Logging ? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3706 >>>>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5890 >>>>>> >>>>>> Which are the differences/advantages of yours ? probably that at yours work in latests squeak and pharo versions >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> mariano >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:59 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> Frequently I need to log operations on text files for things I develop >>>>>> for my customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> I released now a tool (VERY simple) that I use to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope may be useful to someone. >>>>>> >>>>>> The url is http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleLogger.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> GermÃ¡n. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ================================================= >>>> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino Â <gsa @ arsol.net> Â Twitter: garduino >>>> Arduino Software & Web Hosting Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>>> PasswordsPro Â http://www.passwordspro.com >>>> ================================================= >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...

by Esteban Lorenzano

I used it on 1.1... I don't know if there are problems on 1.2 right now... I will check it (in fact, I have some changes available to upload for some time ago, but no time to release them, I'm sorry) Cheers, Esteban On 2010-07-14 13:45:46 -0300, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> said: > Geert Claes wrote: >> Has anyone been able to load the ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader? > Geert, > > Was your error 'Error: Name not found: Gofer Core' and was it generated > using the OB-Metacello tools? If so, then you are hitting a bug that is > related to http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=79, where > you might just be trying to load an earlier version GoferProejctLoader > when a later version is loaded ... > > Otherwise, I tried loading it all three different versions into a > PharoCore 1.1 and it loaded fine, so I'll need more details on the error > to understand what might be wrong... > > Dale

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SimpleLogger released

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:11 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > Well, unfortunately I don't know deep the framework of Keith (as I > said before is > very heavy to my needs). > > Toothpick seems very well documented > (http://www.metaprog.com/Toothpick/docs/index.html) even when I never > used it because also is more than my needs. > > The other thing is don't know if run on Pharo. > > About my own small piece of code, yes, I can write some doc, and even > extend it a bit (but not much, because I don't wants to add tons of > functions). > > Exist somewhere somes guidelines about writing for the book? first just mention the fact that there are multiple frameworks and how we can load them. Documentation is just simple and we should start little step by little step to create contents and contexts. Stef > > GermÃ¡n. > > > 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> about all the loger frameworks >> >> Stef >> >> On Jul 14, 2010, at 4:33 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> >>> About the logger?? >>> >>> It's so simple...........but still if you think that may help..... >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> 2010/7/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> can you add a page on the book? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi German, Thanks very much for the ANN. >>>>> >>>>> Just in case, were you aware of SimpleLog, Toothpick and Logging ? >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3706 >>>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5890 >>>>> >>>>> Which are the differences/advantages of yours ? probably that at yours work in latests squeak and pharo versions >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> mariano >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:59 AM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> Frequently I need to log operations on text files for things I develop >>>>> for my customers. >>>>> >>>>> I released now a tool (VERY simple) that I use to do so. >>>>> >>>>> I hope may be useful to someone. >>>>> >>>>> The url is http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleLogger.html >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> GermÃ¡n. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ================================================= >>> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >>> Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>> PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >>> ================================================= >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader ...

by Dale Henrichs

Geert Claes wrote: > Has anyone been able to load the ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader? Geert, Was your error 'Error: Name not found: Gofer Core' and was it generated using the OB-Metacello tools? If so, then you are hitting a bug that is related to http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=79, where you might just be trying to load an earlier version GoferProejctLoader when a later version is loaded ... Otherwise, I tried loading it all three different versions into a PharoCore 1.1 and it loaded fine, so I'll need more details on the error to understand what might be wrong... Dale

July 14, 2010