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Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Please. +1. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:11 AM To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Cc: Pharo Development Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1 mariano I suggest that we remove the newinspector from the dev tools because this is still really strange to use it. Stef On Jun 13, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is based in PharoCore rc2 11400. > > A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. > > We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and applications, run tests, etc. > > The download link is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… > > Cheers > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by Torsten Bergmann

>I also moved it away from the top level into the system submenu because >there is no help content yet. When this is going to be a great help system >that is used a lot, then I agree we should move it to the top level. But for >now I would leave it in the system menu. People should feel familar and comfortable with each new version. Moving menues around is throwing eggs onto you end users! Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Smallthought FUD

by Richard Durr

They use Java, Python and Ruby and some Squeak and Javascript On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:09 AM, James Foster <Smalltalk(a)jgfoster.net> wrote: > On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Chris Muller wrote: > >> DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, >> too, Avi himself. Â Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's >> Smalltalk-based technology? Â It appears, to me, they're intent on >> eventually shutting it all down. Â 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of >> time for a large customer to find a new system, wow... > > I have no inside information, but the above seems me to be unwarranted. First, the style comes across as "assume the worst and place the burden on the other party to clear up the confusion." Can't we give someone who has done so much for our community the benefit of the doubt? > > Next, if you read the public announcements, it seems evident that the primary value was an analytics tool (and the people who built it), not a Seaside application. True, we haven't heard much about the technology behind Trendly, but why are you assuming it isn't Smalltalk? What language would you use if you were doing complex data analysis? It isn't like they got bought by Microsoft because they have demonstrated proficiency with C#. > > You might read the promise to "for now, we will continue to provide our software and technical supports" as "intent on eventually shutting it all down," but I read it as "change is coming, but we haven't determined exactly the direction." As to possible transitions over some future 60 day period, my understanding of the customer base is that there is no "large customer." The whole model of the system is focused on small data sets. Perhaps nothing could fully replace DabbleDB, but that doesn't mean that the people that have had the benefit of it are worse off if they eventually have to return to a less useful alternative. > > Again, I have no information beyond what Avi and others have shared at conferences. I just choose to rejoice in the much-deserved success of a respected member of our community. > > James > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by Torsten Bergmann

+2 for Laurent/Mariano and -1 for Stef here: Why I agree with Laurent and Mariano: - every app has a help menu - in almost any case such a help menu is at the top level of menus/toolbars/context menues - if one needs help then it should be easily accessible since it means the end user is lost and needs guidance Why I disagree with Stef: - currently "Help" is really HIDDEN under "System" (it's not obvious to a newbie, I tried with a friend today) - having it under "System" is too technical - think of any kind of end user help than (technical) system help (If you deploy a commercial app based on Pharo you still have "Help" but no "System" menu) - it is not a menu with a one item since AFAIK it could be extended and the idea was to place also ProfStef under it (when loaded in Pharo dev) or other help related stuff I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but then I would rather see "Debug" moved under "System" since it's a rare use case compared to looking for help. So I would vote for having it always as the last entry in the middle section of the world menu: Monticello Browser _____________ - Tools - Windows - System -- Debug -- ... - Whatever 1 - Whatever 2 - Help -- Help Contents -> full Browser -- ProfStef -> when loaded -- ... -- About -> Info dialog _____________ Save Save as... That's easy recognizable even when the menu is extended/changed. I would also place the "About" as the last item under "Help" since this is also a typical place for it. This discussion may not be important to most of us but usability is key to acceptance and success. My 0,02â¬ Bye T. -- GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> this is already a menu! > this is a menu with only one item right now. so we think that this it is good where it is. > > ?? ok I did not check in pharo-dev > There are three items for me: > - Help Browser > - ProfStef Browser > - Welcome Workspace may be "Welcome Workspace" should be outside of the help and put in system.

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by Adrian Lienhard

Yes, we reorganized this because it was just *one* menu item inside a submenu (in PharoCore). I also moved it away from the top level into the system submenu because there is no help content yet. When this is going to be a great help system that is used a lot, then I agree we should move it to the top level. But for now I would leave it in the system menu. Cheers, Adrian On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:36 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Guys > > this is already a menu! > this is a menu with only one item right now. so we think that this it is good where it is. > > Stef > On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> this is in system>help >> because we do not want a long menu and the help got in our way several times. >> >> I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but I vote for having a help menu. >> >> me too. +1 >> Help menu is standard, useful and user friendy. >> Every app in the world has a Help menu. >> >> Anyway, if you decide to reintegrate it, the slice is in inbox: SLICE-Issue-2442-RestoreHelpMenu-LaurentLaffont.1 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is based in PharoCore rc2 11400. >>> >>> Help menu is gone ? >>> >>> Thanks for reporting. Yes, it seems to have disappeared. I have just checked in PharoCore 11400 and it is not there neither. So, it is not "Dev" fault at least. >>> >>> Was fixed in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2442 >>> >>> Maybe re integrate it ? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> Laurent Laffont >>> >>> >>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. >>> >>> We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and applications, run tests, etc. >>> >>> The download link is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:36 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Guys > > this is already a menu! > this is a menu with only one item right now. so we think that this it is > good where it is. > ?? There are three items for me: - Help Browser - ProfStef Browser - Welcome Workspace (although in PharoCore there is only one item) Laurent > Stef > On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > this is in system>help > > because we do not want a long menu and the help got in our way several > times. > > > > I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but I vote for > having a help menu. > > > > me too. +1 > > Help menu is standard, useful and user friendy. > > Every app in the world has a Help menu. > > > > Anyway, if you decide to reintegrate it, the slice is in inbox: > SLICE-Issue-2442-RestoreHelpMenu-LaurentLaffont.1 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is > based in PharoCore rc2 11400. > > > > > > Help menu is gone ? > > > > > > Thanks for reporting. Yes, it seems to have disappeared. I have just > checked in PharoCore 11400 and it is not there neither. So, it is not "Dev" > fault at least. > > > > > > Was fixed in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2442 > > > > > > Maybe re integrate it ? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > > > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > > > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the > second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we > used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. > > > > > > We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would > really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and > applications, run tests, etc. > > > > > > The download link is: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Guys this is already a menu! this is a menu with only one item right now. so we think that this it is good where it is. Stef On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > this is in system>help > because we do not want a long menu and the help got in our way several times. > > I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but I vote for having a help menu. > > me too. +1 > Help menu is standard, useful and user friendy. > Every app in the world has a Help menu. > > Anyway, if you decide to reintegrate it, the slice is in inbox: SLICE-Issue-2442-RestoreHelpMenu-LaurentLaffont.1 > > Cheers, > > Laurent. > > > > Stef > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is based in PharoCore rc2 11400. > > > > Help menu is gone ? > > > > Thanks for reporting. Yes, it seems to have disappeared. I have just checked in PharoCore 11400 and it is not there neither. So, it is not "Dev" fault at least. > > > > Was fixed in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2442 > > > > Maybe re integrate it ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. > > > > We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and applications, run tests, etc. > > > > The download link is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> this is in system>help >> because we do not want a long menu and the help got in our way several >> times. >> > > I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but I vote for having > a help menu. > me too. +1 Help menu is standard, useful and user friendy. Every app in the world has a Help menu. > Anyway, if you decide to reintegrate it, the slice is in > inbox: SLICE-Issue-2442-RestoreHelpMenu-LaurentLaffont.1 > > Cheers, > > Laurent. > > > >> >> Stef >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is >> based in PharoCore rc2 11400. >> > >> > Help menu is gone ? >> > >> > Thanks for reporting. Yes, it seems to have disappeared. I have just >> checked in PharoCore 11400 and it is not there neither. So, it is not "Dev" >> fault at least. >> > >> > Was fixed in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2442 >> > >> > Maybe re integrate it ? >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > >> > Laurent Laffont >> > >> > >> > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > >> > A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the >> second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we >> used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. >> > >> > We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would >> really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and >> applications, run tests, etc. >> > >> > The download link is: >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Help menu disappeared [WAS] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11400-rc1dev10.06.1

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > this is in system>help > because we do not want a long menu and the help got in our way several > times. > I understand we need to be careful about long menus, but I vote for having a help menu. Anyway, if you decide to reintegrate it, the slice is in inbox: SLICE-Issue-2442-RestoreHelpMenu-LaurentLaffont.1 Cheers, Laurent. > > Stef > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > 2010/6/14 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks. There is a new Pharo 1.1 rc2 image for beta testing. It is > based in PharoCore rc2 11400. > > > > Help menu is gone ? > > > > Thanks for reporting. Yes, it seems to have disappeared. I have just > checked in PharoCore 11400 and it is not there neither. So, it is not "Dev" > fault at least. > > > > Was fixed in http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2442 > > > > Maybe re integrate it ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > A little remark is that this is the first release candidate, not the > second one. There was a problem when building the PharoCore rc1 and thus, we > used PharoCore RC2. To be concistent we call it Pharo 1.1 rc2 to this image. > > > > We are getting closer to the stable release of Pharo 1.1 so we would > really appreaciate any kind of feedback. Use it, load your packages and > applications, run tests, etc. > > > > The download link is: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27159/Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2dev10.06.… > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 14, 2010