June 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Cog - dumb question

by Henrik Johansen

On Jun 22, 2010, at 1:21 37PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > In skimming the messages, I thought I read both that an image saved from a Cog VM both can and cannot be later opened with an ordinary VM. Which is it? Cannot. > It makes sense for the image to have to include Cog support code, but does that and being saved from a Cog VM spoil the image for the current closure VMs? > Yes. The code works on both Cog and Closure VMs though, so development can continue on whatever VM you desire without a split in package versions. As Cog is able to read closure-images, but not the other way around, I imagine we will want to keep releasing official images saved by the closure VM. Cheers, Henry

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #12012

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, any trouble? This update is still not available. http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/updates/pharo1.2/updates.list -- Pavel On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > 12012 > ----- > > - Issue 2582: Â Rearrange World Menu > - Issue 2069: Â Be able to load DummyUIManager in a Pharo image. Part One > - Issue 2558: Â ScriptLoader could automatically fetch the latest update-list > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] Cog - dumb question

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

In skimming the messages, I thought I read both that an image saved from a Cog VM both can and cannot be later opened with an ordinary VM. Which is it? It makes sense for the image to have to include Cog support code, but does that and being saved from a Cog VM spoil the image for the current closure VMs? Bill

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DummyUIManager

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi Stef, I have a little idea about processing of package movements. What about to move classes that will belong in the next update to another package to the new temporary system category using the update script. That temporary category will not have any corresponding package. Then the update process will load new versions of the packages but because the moved classes will not be in any package, the loading order will be irrelevant and the right package will be assigned to the class during the mergin. The temporary category will be empty in the end and can be removed. The same way can be applicable for methods. Cheers -- Pavel On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > 1) this UIManager patch > 2a) there is a small count of minor kernel changes that should be > harvested (SoundService and Browser dependency etc.) > 2b) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2105, I will have > to check it again for the latest Pharo. > > In this stage it should be possible to shrink the image to about 3MB > (very unclean) > > 3) reorganize methods to clean the kernel packages, > 4) prepare network and monticello packages (quite easy) > 5) modify the rest of packages to be loadable > > None of this steps is hard or extremely time consuming. However it > requires at least two next eyes to audit the changes and a > selfmurderer to integrate it into the update stream ;-) > > -- Pavel > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:57 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jun 21, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> >>> Hi Mariano, >>> >>> it is not so straightforward. You simply cannot switch from Morphic to >>> DummyUIManager (it requires several next steps and modifications). >>> This patch is only a small step to better Pharo UI Independency and >>> PharoKernel. >> >> It would be good to identify a roadmap of actions to step by step >> arrive to this point. >> Do you have a high level list? >> >> >>> When Pharo will be PharoKernel ready, we may start to >>> talk about benefits for the deployment. However you may add me as the >>> book user ;-) >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> 2010/6/21 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Hi pavel. This is excellent :) >>>> >>>> Now, it would be cool to document how to use it. And even more, the >>>> scenarios where it can be useful. For example, suppose I deploy a headless >>>> PharoCore image with seaside, should I replace the UIManager with the Dummy >>>> ? what do I save? how can I do that? >>>> >>>> I think http://book.pharo-project.org/ Â is excellent for this. If you want >>>> to write something please let me know and I make you an user. >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> mariano >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I updated issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2069 >>>>> that adds DummyUIManager and makes Pharo more UIManager independent. >>>>> >>>>> Please review it, it is an important patch for better modularization. >>>>> >>>>> For the method fileInSilentlyAnnouncing: it only changes the category. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -- Pavel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >

June 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] CogVM

by Torsten Bergmann

Jannik wrote on Pharo-list (see [1]): > Thanks Levente, > > Now, I continue to try Cog, and I have different bugs: > - graphical bug: someties, when I move a window, text disappears during the > move. (I put a screenshot in attachement) > This was a problem which is fixed in newer VM versions. (see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1803) Looks like Juan's fix is not (yet) included in Cog VM. Which also leads to the following questions 1. will Cog development continue in parallel or be folded back into the usual VM's from www.squeakvm.org. 2. where is the best place to discusss Coq related issues, currently people discuss on squeak, pharo and vm-list. -> I would vote for the VM list Bye T. [1] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-June/028521.html -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

June 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] CogVM

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi Eliot, havent had the time to play with it - but your announcement was already a real surprise. I know that is amazing work and by making it available we can all profit and learn from it! I hope our community is able to help moving it forward, report and fix bugs and by doing so give you and Teleplace something in return. Thanks to all who helped making this possible! Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11401

by laurent laffont

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Ok, then it is quite hard for you to do it ;) > > So we need somebody on Mac. I can do it but I will probably not get around > to it until the end of the week. > Sorry. I have a Mac but rarely use OSX (don't feel at home with it). So I can do it but I don't know how host menu works. Laurent. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > On Jun 22, 2010, at 09:45 , laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Laurent > >> > >> One thing that needs being adapted as well is the Mac host menu. Since > it > >> depends on the world menu structure it is broken now. > >> > > > > How does this work ? I'm on Linux. > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Adrian > >> > >> On Jun 22, 2010, at 08:55 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> > >>> 11401 > >>> ----- > >>> > >>> - Issue 2582: Rearrange World Menu. Thanks Laurent. > >>> > >>> Stef > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] CogVM

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/6/22 Laval Jannik <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> > Thanks Levente, > > Now, I continue to try Cog, and I have different bugs: > - graphical bug: someties, when I move a window, text disappears during the > move. (I put a screenshot in attachement) > maybe this is the Juan fix for fonts that is not included in Cog ? try using FreeType plugin. > - Metacello/Monticello bug: I cannot reproduce it easily. When I load my > metacello Script (ConfigurationOfO2 and ConfigurationOfMoose for example), > sometimes the VM crash. > > For information, I use the latest Pharo core (12011) with the cog changes > integrated. > > > > > Cheers, > Jannik > > On Jun 22, 2010, at 08:49 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > Thanks levente > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2583 > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2010, at 12:42 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Laval Jannik wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I just try the new Cog VM, > >>> I have a bug with MessageTally. > >>> > >>> You can reproduce it with: > >>> "MessageTally spyOn:[1]" > >>> > >>> It does not understand "-". > >>> Could someone reproduce it and have an idea to fix it ? > >> > >> It's easy to fix it, just replace code like this: > >> > >> SmalltalkImage current getVMParameters keysAndValuesDo: [ :idx :gcVal | > >> gcStats at: idx put: (gcVal - (gcStats at: idx))]. > >> > >> with this: > >> > >> Smalltalk getVMParameters keysAndValuesDo: [ :idx :gcVal | > >> gcVal ifNotNil: [ gcStats at: idx put: (gcVal - (gcStats at: idx)) > ] ]. > >> > >> in MessageTally's #spyAllEvery:on:, #spyEvery:on: and > #spyEvery:onProcess:forMilliseconds: (I think these are the same in Pharo > and Squeak. If not, then just look at the senders of #getVMParameters). > >> > >> > >> Levente > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Jannik > >>> > >>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 18:04 , Serge Stinckwich wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> Some people asked me how I got Pharo to run on Cog on OS X. Here's > how: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Download the Cog source-code from > >>>>> <http://ftp.squeak.org/Cog/OpenSourceCog.tar.gz>, open the Xcode > >>>>> project CoreVM.xcodeproj, and compile the thing. For those who want > to > >>>>> skip this step I've put the resulting binaries here: > >>>>> <http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/dropbox/cog-osx.zip>. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. Open a (copy of a) Pharo image in an **old** VM and file-in the > >>>>> appropriate change-set (there is one for Pharo 1.0 and one for Pharo > >>>>> 1.1) from the following issue report: > >>>>> <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2579>. Save the > image > >>>>> and quit. > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. Open the image in the Cog VM. Note that if you safe the image, you > >>>>> won't be able to open it again in a non-Cog VM. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully John will provide a properly built binary soon :-) > >>>> > >>>> Thank you Lukas ! > >>>> > >>>> Quite impressive in some of my highly CPU-intensive robot simulations > !!! > >>>> Strange that the VM Cog icon is Croquet ;-) > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Serge Stinckwich > >>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > >>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > >>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Jannik Laval > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > --- > Jannik Laval > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11401

by Adrian Lienhard

Ok, then it is quite hard for you to do it ;) So we need somebody on Mac. I can do it but I will probably not get around to it until the end of the week. Cheers, Adrian On Jun 22, 2010, at 09:45 , laurent laffont wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > >> Thanks Laurent >> >> One thing that needs being adapted as well is the Mac host menu. Since it >> depends on the world menu structure it is broken now. >> > > How does this work ? I'm on Linux. > > Laurent > > > >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> >> On Jun 22, 2010, at 08:55 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> 11401 >>> ----- >>> >>> - Issue 2582: Rearrange World Menu. Thanks Laurent. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11401

by laurent laffont

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Thanks Laurent > > One thing that needs being adapted as well is the Mac host menu. Since it > depends on the world menu structure it is broken now. > How does this work ? I'm on Linux. Laurent > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On Jun 22, 2010, at 08:55 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > 11401 > > ----- > > > > - Issue 2582: Rearrange World Menu. Thanks Laurent. > > > > Stef > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 22, 2010