June 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial + ProfStefBrowser really cool

by Dale Henrichs

laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > I've just created a ConfigurationOfScamper using MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial (see http://code.google.com/p/metacello/) in ProfStefBrowser, it's really funny. > > Can MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial be included in Pharo (Dev) 1.1 ? > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Laurent, I think that Mariano was talking about including more of Metacello in the dev image ... for Pharo 1.1 Dale

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

by Denis Kudriashov

> > 2010/6/2 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > I think you are missing the OP's point. The goal (unless I am missing > something) is to have a way to open say four browsers on specific classes > and methods and maybe a workspace or two to work on one particular > project/task, and to do the same for other tasks. > In past I used projects like you. I have many tasks and used separate project for each. I have many morphs opened in different projects (for data diagrams, image processing, animation and others, not only browsers and workspaces). It's really very suitable for development, learning and usage ready appications. I try used separate images for each task. But with this approach I must update any system package in all images I used. I think multiple worlds system will be very attractive for users. Maybe its implementation not difficult. And it will be more powerfull than Dolphin IdeaSpaces and java IDE's analogous.

June 2, 2010

[Pharo-project] MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial + ProfStefBrowser really cool

by laurent laffont

Hi, I've just created a ConfigurationOfScamper using MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial (see http://code.google.com/p/metacello/) in ProfStefBrowser, it's really funny. Can MetacelloCreateConfigurationTutorial be included in Pharo (Dev) 1.1 ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

by Douglas Brebner

On 02/06/2010 12:43, Juan Vuletich wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. > > Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It includes new > rendering algorithms I developed that produce unparalleled visual > quality. Really. This is the best 2d rendering in the world. You can > take a look at www.jvuletich.org. I have been working a lot recently, > and uploaded several very cool samples for you to see. > This is awesome :) I'm wondering though, what you intend for the input side. There's a lot of touch screen and multitouch devices around now which would be nice to directly support in addition to keyboard + mouse, things like pinch-zoom on a ZUI would be cool :)

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

by Ramon Leon

On 6/2/2010 3:30 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > I was just going to say the same. I have tons of images. Just duplicate an image and you have a new project. No need for a brittle mechanism inside the image. > > Cheers, > Adrian Same here, images are projects. I never liked the squeak project mechanism. Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo1.1 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I will, after the Sprint of this weekend. I already asked Stef to generate a PharoCore 1.1 beta2 at the end of the Sprint. After that, I will produce a PharoDev on top of that ;) Cheers Mariano On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Hi! > > Can we get a new version of Pharo 1.1 based on the latest core? > I can produce it if necessary. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> >> Projects as described might be similar to Dolphin's IdeaSpace. For whatever reason, I never liked them very much, so I am not the best person to comment. > > I share with Bill that I never use IdeaSpaces in Dolphin. However, IdeaSpaces are very different from Squeak projects as they just allow you to group browsers and workspaces with tabs which does (IMHO) not match Smalltalk work style for above reasons and I would not need a similar tool in Pharo. > > To summarize, I would be perfectly happy with a streamlined projects implementation that just gives you different view to dive into without any need to save them outside the present image. build a small prototype if you can and you can really influence us :) But we will not load project code in pharo that 100% sure :) > > > Ciao > > ...Jochen > > Am 02.06.2010 um 15:58 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris: > >> >> >> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>> to do what? >>> which one exactly? >>> >> >> The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am >> working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one >> world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I >> find a bug in the system that I want to fix - I want to move to another >> world, fix the bug, and move right back to my client world, with the windows >> exactly the way I left them. >> >> For my use case, saving projects doesn't come into play. Why not remove the >> save functionality, since that seems to be the objection everyone raises, >> and keep them as a workspace organization tool - in image only? >> >> >> Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> >>> I have my different "projects" in different images. That works perfectly. >>> >> >> For my workflow, this is too heavyweight. In my mind, that's like buying >> multiple separate computers to run different apps. Even though I am working >> on multiple tasks at once, they are not *that* different. For example, in >> my "fix a bug" task above, I want the fix to be in my working image (which >> is automatic in the projects solution), without having to load into all the >> other images I'm working on. >> >> One of the killer features of Squeak/Pharo to me is that the whole system is >> available to itself. If I start breaking the image into smaller task-based >> images, it feels like going back to applications and files - yuck! ;-) >> >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-I-use-Projects-in-Pharo-tp2239170p2240170.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Can I use Projects in Pharo?

by Jochen Riekhof

> The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am > working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one > world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I... Yep, thank you Sean - this more or less nails it. Squeak projects are what comes closest to what i need to be able to quickly change context. It is perfectly ok to have them just in the image without any possibility for load/save. As for the IDEA comparison I raised, there is a big difference in my work style when switching tasks in IDEA/Java and Smalltalk. My impression is that for one this is because in Smalltalk you "live" inside your objects (image) while in Java you mostly have the edit-compile cycle. Also, traditional Smalltalk Browsers show you just one small piece of code (method) at a time while in file oriented environments you think in Files and scroll to get to a method. So what I do in Smalltalk is placing a couple of Browsers, workspaces and often also instances of the developed objects (!). Switching context means to destroy all this setup, and manually build another one. Switching bask, I have to redo all this for my former setup. (I could imagine that all this is a bit less of an issue in web development but I have too little Smalltalk experience here). > Projects as described might be similar to Dolphin's IdeaSpace. For whatever reason, I never liked them very much, so I am not the best person to comment. I share with Bill that I never use IdeaSpaces in Dolphin. However, IdeaSpaces are very different from Squeak projects as they just allow you to group browsers and workspaces with tabs which does (IMHO) not match Smalltalk work style for above reasons and I would not need a similar tool in Pharo. To summarize, I would be perfectly happy with a streamlined projects implementation that just gives you different view to dive into without any need to save them outside the present image. Ciao ...Jochen Am 02.06.2010 um 15:58 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris: > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> to do what? >> which one exactly? >> > > The only thing I use projects for is to separate the different tasks I am > working on at the same time (like spaces on the Mac), so I can have one > world where I'm working on a client project, and a whole other world if I > find a bug in the system that I want to fix - I want to move to another > world, fix the bug, and move right back to my client world, with the windows > exactly the way I left them. > > For my use case, saving projects doesn't come into play. Why not remove the > save functionality, since that seems to be the objection everyone raises, > and keep them as a workspace organization tool - in image only? > > > Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >> I have my different "projects" in different images. That works perfectly. >> > > For my workflow, this is too heavyweight. In my mind, that's like buying > multiple separate computers to run different apps. Even though I am working > on multiple tasks at once, they are not *that* different. For example, in > my "fix a bug" task above, I want the fix to be in my working image (which > is automatic in the projects solution), without having to load into all the > other images I'm working on. > > One of the killer features of Squeak/Pharo to me is that the whole system is > available to itself. If I start breaking the image into smaller task-based > images, it feels like going back to applications and files - yuck! ;-) > > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-I-use-Projects-in-Pharo-tp2239170p2240170.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The Morphic 3 project

by Tudor Girba

Actually, this is beyond cool :) Doru On 2 Jun 2010, at 17:42, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi Juan, > > This is __really__ cool. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On 2 Jun 2010, at 08:16, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> Hi Juan, >>> >>> This looks really exiting! >>> >>> How do you get the actual pixels drawn? Is this implemented in >>> Smalltalk? Did you write primitives to do that? Are you using >>> external >>> libraries? How does it compare performance wise with the current >>> rendering? >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>> >> >> Hi Lukas, >> >> I'm glad you like it. It is all done in Smalltalk. There are no >> external libraries. In fact, I developed new drawing algorithms >> that are better than those in Cairo, AGG, etc. So there are no >> libraries in existence I could call! >> >> The sampling theorem is about 80 years old. It is the base >> (together with Fourier analysis) of most of the DSP (Digital Signal >> Processing) field. It is therefore the basis of digital audio and >> photography. But it seems I am the first one to apply it to 2d >> rendering! I have been working on this for the last 3 years, after >> finishing my Ms.Sc. in CS on Image and Signal Processing. I had to >> establish the theoretical foundations, and come up with new >> algorithms to draw basic elements using this theory. What you see >> are the first practical result of all this work. >> >> It is still pure Smalltalk, and therefore, a bit slow. The lion >> takes 1.8 secs to draw on my 1.6GHz Mac mini. I am still changing >> the code a lot, but when it stabilizes I'll do a VM plugin. I guess >> it would be about 100 times faster. The other option is to use >> Igor's NativeBoost. That could perhaps be 10 times faster than the >> plugin, at the cost of portability and hand written asm (I'd done >> lots of asm in a previous life). >> >> Cheers, >> Juan Vuletich >> >>> On 2 June 2010 13:43, Juan Vuletich <juan(a)jvuletich.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> I'm new to this list, but many of you already know me. >>>> >>>> Morphic 3 is a deep redesign of the Morphic framework. It >>>> includes new >>>> rendering algorithms I developed that produce unparalleled visual >>>> quality. >>>> Really. This is the best 2d rendering in the world. You can take >>>> a look at >>>> www.jvuletich.org. I have been working a lot recently, and >>>> uploaded several >>>> very cool samples for you to see. >>>> >>>> I also want to thank publicly to Stef Ducasse and ESUG, as they are >>>> sponsoring Morphic 3 via the "support your project" program, >>>> described in >>>> http://www.esug.org/Promotion/Project . Thanks ESUG! >>>> >>>> Comments welcome. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Juan Vuletich >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: >>> 271.1.1/2912 - Release Date: 06/02/10 03:25:00 >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "It's not how it is, it is how we see it."

June 2, 2010

[Pharo-project] New Pharo1.1 ?

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! Can we get a new version of Pharo 1.1 based on the latest core? I can produce it if necessary. Cheers, Alexandre

June 2, 2010