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Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks for keeping us up to date On May 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > Hello, > > Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. > You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens > > For now, the working canvas are: > - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) > - RomeBalloonCanvas > > You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. > All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. > > All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. > So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. > > You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. > You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). > > The next steps are: > - Integrate fonts > - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work > > > > > 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> > Hi Cyrille, > > A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the status? Could we test something? :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TORCH: supporting source-code change integration

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks veronica. lukas said that he was impressed this is a complement :) On May 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez wrote: > Dear all, > > I would like to announce Torch, a tool for supporting source-code change integration. For now, it offers visualizations of the changes and enhanced change lists. > Torch can be accessed through Monticello (in the main MC browser, in the repository browser or in the history browser). Selecting a version or slice, you can view the changes with Torch using the contextual menu. > Once you open the Torch dashboard, you can access the enhanced change list or a detailed visualization via the contextual menu as well. > > Torch is available on SqueakSource, the repository is named Torch, and you need to load the ConfigurationOfTorch package. > It runs in a dev or core image. > > For a dev image. > - ConfigurationOfTorch loadVersion10 > > For a core image. > 1) Set fonts - described in the attached file. > 2) ConfigurationOfTorch loadDefault > > I would appreciate comments and feedback! > > Best Regards, > VerÃ³nica Uquillas GÃ³mez > Vrije University Brussel - SOFT Lab > University of Lille - RMOD Team > > <torchFontsScript.st> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Managing Pharo external packages with Metacello, please read!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes I think that this is what dale proposed. Dale is off line today but he will probably comment Stef On May 18, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > I like this approach: > 1. Projects can continue to be built independently. For example, in Moose, we have already a process with multiple configurations (one for each repository) depending on each other. > 2. When ready, the Configurations and all related packages are "published" in the PharoXXMetacelloRepository. Having a package per Configuration makes it easy to copy it. > > The only problem is that the code of Configuration mentions explicitly the repository (especially in the case of having nested Configurations, I point to a configuration by specifying the repository, package, and class). So, I guess the simplest thing here would be to provide the default "load" method to already override dynamically all repositories with the PharoXXMetacelloRepository. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 18 May 2010, at 09:32, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I understand nicolas. Now my agenda is more than full. >> and the proposal is here. Simple >> >> ========================================================== >> One repo per version Pharo1.0, Pharo11 ... MetacelloRepository >> containing **published** configurationOfXXX >> -> all the dependent packages are copied locally + configuration ready to load using load. >> >> A project >> contain its single/or several configurationOfMyProject with the complete history >> people commit the config to their repository and if they want they **publish** from their repository to the version repository >> a version. This version is frozen -> all the dependent packages are copied locally + configuration ready to load using load. >> >> For Pharo core or pharo packages that we maintain we want to maintain it as a project. >> with its own repository and packages. >> >> We can use automatic build server to validate the status or migration between different repositories >> ========================================================== >> >> >> Stef >> >> On May 17, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: >> >>> The meaning of my message was don't do it for squeak, but do it for yourself. >>> I don't doubt the mailing list is a mine of information, but even in >>> the best mine you need to dig a lot before extracting the gold >>> nuggets. >>> Of course, I've got no right to control your agenda, who am I ? >>> You can consider the subject close, and I won't find your attitude >>> shocking at all. >>> But next time, consider writing a rationale for your own, it will >>> increase quality of Pharo decision process. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Nicolas >>> >>> 2010/5/17 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> nicolas >>>> >>>> all the information is in the metacello mailing-list and we already posted many mails on that topics in this mailing list. >>>> I'm sorry but I do not have the time to repeat again what we said. Now since I'm in a really good mood >>>> in a nutshell >>>> >>>> one repo per version Pharo1.0, Pharo11 ... MetacelloRepository >>>> containing configurationOfXXX frozen = all the dependent packages are copied locally + configuration ready to load using load. >>>> >>>> a project >>>> contain its single/or whatever configurationOfMyProject >>>> people publish the config to their repository and if they want they push from their repository to the version repository >>>> a version that they freeze (may be using tags) >>>> >>>> For Pharo core or pharo packages that we maintain we want to maintain it as a project. >>>> with its own repository and packages. >>>> >>>> Then we have a server that load configuration and barks if something wrong happen. And may be we kick out >>>> the configurationofXXX from MetacelloRepositories >>>> >>>>> Steph, >>>>> I understand how boring it may seem: >>>>> - you already discussed the subject over and over >>>>> - you already took decisions >>>>> and now we come later with new proposals, and ask you to reconsider >>>>> the work again... >>>> >>>> more than that. :) >>>> It looks like if we did not talk or think about what we are doing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> As for the Preferences/Settings, Pharo choices are probably very weel thought. >>>>> >>>>> However, every solution will come with trade offs, and it would be >>>>> good to have a rationale justifying the choices you made, and perhaps >>>>> more importantly justifying why you did abandon some solutions, >>>>> because some questions might be repeated in Pharo 1.2, 1.3, 2.0 ... >>>>> and find different answers in different context. Note that Squeak >>>>> evolutions might have influence on Pharo too, and it's part of the >>>>> context... >>>>> >>>>> I strongly encourage you to establish your rationale on Pharo grounds >>>>> - independently of Andreas proposals, put it on the Pharo wiki and let >>>>> us know the URL. >>>>> >>>>> You also know that Squeak goals are not exactly those of Pharo w.r.t. >>>>> backward compatibility, so Squeak can't just blindly replicate Pharo >>>>> solutions without a rationale. >>>>> >>>>> The merit of Andreas proposal is to try and establish such a >>>>> rationale. Without it, we're bound to repeat discussions again and >>>>> again, >>>> >>>> So to fix the problem consider that as our proposal. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Collection arithmethic method category

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Fernando olivero <oliverof(a)lu.unisi.ch>wrote: > >> I see now that they were moved to an external package in Squeaksource. >> >> And it is not loaded by default in PharoCore1.1. >> >> > Do you think this should be included in PharoDev? > > it is working in Pharo 1.1 ? does it have tests? > > >> Thanks! >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: >> >> > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=332 >> > >> > PS. How about the Collection -> Math functions protocol? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Henry >> > >> > On May 18, 2010, at 10:41 53AM, Fernando olivero wrote: >> > >> >> Sorry, i meant >> >> >> >>> In PharoCore 1.1 >> >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() >> >> >> >>> In Pharo1.0 >> >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ >> #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: >> >> >> >>> In Pharo1.0 >> >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() >> >>> >> >>> In PharoCore1.1 >> >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ >> #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) >> >>> >> >>> And the arithmethic is not an extension of any Package. >> >>> >> >>> Why are all the methods in that category no present in PharoCore? >> >>> How and when are they added into Pharo ? >> >>> >> >>> Fernando >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Collection arithmethic method category

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Fernando olivero <oliverof(a)lu.unisi.ch>wrote: > I see now that they were moved to an external package in Squeaksource. > > And it is not loaded by default in PharoCore1.1. > > Do you think this should be included in PharoDev? > Thanks! > > Fernando > > > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=332 > > > > PS. How about the Collection -> Math functions protocol? > > > > Cheers, > > Henry > > > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:41 53AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > > > >> Sorry, i meant > >> > >>> In PharoCore 1.1 > >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() > >> > >>> In Pharo1.0 > >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ > #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > >> > >>> In Pharo1.0 > >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() > >>> > >>> In PharoCore1.1 > >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ > #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) > >>> > >>> And the arithmethic is not an extension of any Package. > >>> > >>> Why are all the methods in that category no present in PharoCore? > >>> How and when are they added into Pharo ? > >>> > >>> Fernando > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] So...we freeze 1.1 ? (next steps?)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > > One thing that bothers me is the network code. Although nobody reported > problems I cannot believe that it suddenly works without that we fixed it. > The new implementation that is in 1.1 has been reverted in 1.0 and since > then we haven't had any complaints. Now in 1.1 I guess that there are not > that many people using it yet. > > > > If there are people at the sprint with different OS and configurations > (Linux vs Mac; IPv4 vs. IPv6), you could try to reproduce the problems that > were reported earlier (check the issue tracker). > > I haven't closely followed this issue since I haven't experienced any > problem in 1.1 (the only activity related to Network I do is using > Monticello). > The network issue you're referring to is > http://forum.world.st/NetNameResolver-in-Pharo-1-1-td2136239.html#a2136239 > isn't it? > > Looking for 'Network' in the list of open issues return 7 issues. The only > important one is > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2282 > Is it decided to rollback networking? I enjoy the progress bar when > accessing networks. > > > Another valuable help would be to (manually) test the tools, especially > the ones loaded into Pharo to make sure we don't have any obvious problems > there. > > By tools, you mean the one that get loaded with ConfigurationOfPharo ? > I don't know what he though, but I indeed yes :) If you want, I can try to release the Pharo1.1 beta1 before the weeked and you give a cool testing for the tools: OB, RB, OCompletion, and so on... Also we have several failing and error tests. Not only in Core but also in Dev. Cheers Mariano > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > Hope you have a productive weekend! > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > On May 18, 2010, at 02:49 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > >> Mariano, Stef, Adrian, > >> > >> I would like to focus the Pharo sprint this week end on helping Pharo > 1.1. > >> In addition to reviewing and fixing the issues tagged as 1.1, are there > some particular actions you want to see realized this Saturday? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> On 16 May 2010, at 18:26, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> > >>>> - Integegrate the remaining fixes and crates a > PharoCore-11XXX-alpha1.zip and put it in gforge > >>> > >>> > >>> I will go over some this week. > >>> > >>> Alexandre > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 18, 2010

[Pharo-project] HTTP Proxy server ...

by Geert Claes

I can't seem to connect using a proxy server with network authentication. I have now successfully saved the HTTP proxy server and port number as well as the user name and password. I am using 1.1 using the new Settings browser and successfully updated the settings in "MyOwn" settings style. Also, how can I set the "use automatic configuration script"? Is there maybe a way for the VM to detect the proxy settings somehow just like a web browser detects the network/proxy settings from the host OS? http://n4.nabble.com/file/n2220967/Network_Settings.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/HTTP-Proxy-server-tp2220967p2220967.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo1.1 alpha image?

by Adrian Lienhard

What do you mean the link does not work? It links to the download page. On this page is a section called PharoCore images. There is a link to the list of "nightly builds": https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 (search for the section [PharoCore1.1]). I agree, the alpha images are quite hidden. I changed the link on the home site to point to the inria server directly. HTH, Adrian On May 18, 2010, at 10:51 , Fernando olivero wrote: > Clicking on download does not work, and i cant find the Pharo1.1 alpha image. > > http://www.pharo-project.org/home > Version 1.1 alpha (unstable) > If you want to use all the new features and improvements (e.g., performance) that have been added to Pharo lately, and you don't mind living on the bleeding edge, then download the current Pharo 1.1 alpha._______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Collection arithmethic method category

by Fernando olivero

I see now that they were moved to an external package in Squeaksource. And it is not loaded by default in PharoCore1.1. Thanks! Fernando On May 18, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=332 > > PS. How about the Collection -> Math functions protocol? > > Cheers, > Henry > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:41 53AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > >> Sorry, i meant >> >>> In PharoCore 1.1 >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() >> >>> In Pharo1.0 >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) >> >> >> >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Fernando olivero wrote: >> >>> In Pharo1.0 >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmethic' #() >>> >>> In PharoCore1.1 >>> Collection organization listAtCategoryNamed: 'arithmetic' #(#* #+ #- #/ #'//' #'\\' #raisedTo:) >>> >>> And the arithmethic is not an extension of any Package. >>> >>> Why are all the methods in that category no present in PharoCore? >>> How and when are they added into Pharo ? >>> >>> Fernando >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome

by Cyrille Delaunay

Hello, Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens For now, the working canvas are: - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) - RomeBalloonCanvas You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). The next steps are: - Integrate fonts - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> > Hi Cyrille, > > A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the status? > Could we test something? :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >

May 18, 2010