May 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Andrei Stebakov

2010/5/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> 2010/5/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >> >>> >>> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I >>>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. >>>> >>> >>> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) >>> >>> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp >>> or similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ? >>> >> Good question. Somehow historically I've installed a bunch of useful linux >> libraries on that Ubuntu box which are not even available on Windows. >> Secondly my web app will work with a bunch of graphical images (lots of GB) >> so I can't imagine synchronizing it with my Win system. Sure if there is no >> other good way (for Pharo), I'll try to adapt to the local development, but >> so far the remote development worked well for me. >> > > Ok...Understood. What about having normal VNC running in that Linux box and > accessing with a Windows client ? > > > >> >>> >>>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. >>>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but >>>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). >>>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am >>>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via >>>> a secure connection. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a >>> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC client >>> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I don't >>> know the performance, thus. >>> >>> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) >>> >>> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc >>> >>> To install it: >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; >>> load. >>> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion) >>> load. >>> >>> How do I install packages to the remote Pharo if I only have a command >> line access to it via ssh? >> > > Maybe I don't understand. At the beginning, at least once, you will have to > copy the image and put it in the server. Before doing that, take that image > in your desktop app, install RFB, START IT (don't forget this), and SAVE the > image after doing that. Then, when you start the image in the server, the > RFB objects will be alive and the VNC will be working ;) > > Enjoy the wonderful smalltalk world ;) > This sounds great. Let's say I've updated and installed all packages to the pharo image on my Win machine, copied it over to the linux system. Now if I start pharo (headless?) I should be able to control if from anywhere (I still wonder about being behind a firewall). What's the command to start pharo headless on linux? > > > >> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Andrei >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > > > 2010/5/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> >> >> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. >>> >> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) >> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp or >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ? >> > Good question. Somehow historically I've installed a bunch of useful linux > libraries on that Ubuntu box which are not even available on Windows. > Secondly my web app will work with a bunch of graphical images (lots of GB) > so I can't imagine synchronizing it with my Win system. Sure if there is no > other good way (for Pharo), I'll try to adapt to the local development, but > so far the remote development worked well for me. > Ok...Understood. What about having normal VNC running in that Linux box and accessing with a Windows client ? > >> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via >>> a secure connection. >>> >> >> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC client >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I don't >> know the performance, thus. >> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) >> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc >> >> To install it: >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; >> load. >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion) >> load. >> >> How do I install packages to the remote Pharo if I only have a command > line access to it via ssh? > Maybe I don't understand. At the beginning, at least once, you will have to copy the image and put it in the server. Before doing that, take that image in your desktop app, install RFB, START IT (don't forget this), and SAVE the image after doing that. Then, when you start the image in the server, the RFB objects will be alive and the VNC will be working ;) Enjoy the wonderful smalltalk world ;) > >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Andrei >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest adjective I can think to use. Please let us know if VNC is a better option. Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could be telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be happening for no purpose??? It can be terribly slow, especially the response to typing. Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com<mailto:lispercat@gmail.com>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp or similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ? My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via a secure connection. Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC client and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I don't know the performance, thus. That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc To install it: Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion) load. Cheers Mariano Thank you, Andrei _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Andrei Stebakov

2010/5/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > > Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I >> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. >> > > I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) > > Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp or > similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ? > Good question. Somehow historically I've installed a bunch of useful linux libraries on that Ubuntu box which are not even available on Windows. Secondly my web app will work with a bunch of graphical images (lots of GB) so I can't imagine synchronizing it with my Win system. Sure if there is no other good way (for Pharo), I'll try to adapt to the local development, but so far the remote development worked well for me. > > >> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. >> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but >> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). >> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am >> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via >> a secure connection. >> > > > Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a Pharo > image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC client and > what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I don't know > the performance, thus. > > That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) > > http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc > > To install it: > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; > load. > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion) > load. > > How do I install packages to the remote Pharo if I only have a command line access to it via ssh? > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Thank you, >> Andrei >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DEVImageCreator >> setDefaultPreferences (alain?)

by Alain Plantec

Le 12/05/2010 17:07, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > PharoDevSettingStyle>>load > "set your default 1.1 preferences here" > UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. > WorldState showUpdateOptionInWorldMenu: false. > > > > > If I don't define certain settings, where you get them ? > DefaultSettingStyle ? why ? because of > > styleName > <settingstyle> > ^ 'Default' > This is for the SettingBrowser, so, normally you don't have to take care of it. For other settings, don't do anything. they should be automatically initialized with their default value; lazily at least in the core as follow: UserInterruptHandler class>>#cmdDotEnabled ^ CmdDotEnabled ifNil: [CmdDotEnabled := true] Cheers Alain > ? > > I am trying to understand how it works ;) > > Thanks Alain! > > Mariano > > Cheers > > Alain > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I > connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. > I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with scp or similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server ? > My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. > I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but it > painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). > I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am > liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via > a secure connection. > Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take a Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC client and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. I don't know the performance, thus. That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc To install it: Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: #latestVersion) load. Cheers Mariano > > Thank you, > Andrei > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 12, 2010

[Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Andrei Stebakov

Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to which I connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on WinXP, but it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few minutes). I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I am liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it remotely via a secure connection. Thank you, Andrei

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] DEVImageCreator >> setDefaultPreferences (alain?)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr>wrote: > Le 11/05/2010 21:00, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > >> >> >> Ok...but how can I do the following: there is a setting that in Core has >> XXX value and I want to change it for the Dev image. >> > yes, this is the case of #showUpdateOptionInWorldMenu, the values are > different > > Creating whole Style doesn't make sense as I only want to change one >> setting. >> > the advantage is that you have the UI to switch from one Style to another > through the setting browser. > The load method of your style class (as show in my previous mail) can > contains few > setting updates, only those that make sense for the dev. > > > PharoDevSettingStyle>>load > "set your default 1.1 preferences here" > UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. > WorldState showUpdateOptionInWorldMenu: false. > > > Ok....but...(follow above) > In addition, happens what you told me in this mail, and finally it is >> difficult to manage I think: imagine today I create a Style and tomorrow you >> create ore settings...do I need to update my style to contemplate such >> setting ? >> > if the desired value for the dev is the default one then no. > > If I don't define certain settings, where you get them ? DefaultSettingStyle ? why ? because of styleName <settingstyle> ^ 'Default' ? I am trying to understand how it works ;) Thanks Alain! Mariano > Cheers > > Alain > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] VMs for Pharo 1.1

by Henrik Johansen

On May 12, 2010, at 3:47 04PM, Richard Durr wrote: > So does anybody know about the status of CogVM? ^^ Latest I heard was on May 2., when Eliot wrote on vm-dev (taken out of context): "I'm now in a position to put some effort into open sourcing Cog, having completed my current Teleplace assignment, and so perhaps being patient and waiting a little longer is the best approach. " http://forum.world.st/primFailCode-currently-dormant-td2098806.html#a2123085 Cheers, Henry

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] VMs for Pharo 1.1

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Just to stir up the hornets' nest (with the best of intentions), last summer, Eliot had suggested that December 2009 would see a big release. In fairness, let he who has never slipped a release date cast the first stone :) Knowing how target dates can be, I was not upset to see it pass without VW-crushing byte code speeds for us. However, more recently, Bryce posted something that appeared to question whether the Cog code would be released in the open. That was a little disturbing :( Hopefully someone in the know can give us lots of good news?? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Richard Durr Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:47 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] VMs for Pharo 1.1 So does anybody know about the status of CogVM? ^^ On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:59 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > excellent! > > Stef > > On May 11, 2010, at 6:52 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> >> On 2010-05-10, at 11:16 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >>> >>> Mac: John, I am not sure which VM we should use for Pharo 1.1. Can you give us a hint ? Â known problems ? does it include freetype ? >> >> >> Let me build and upload a 32bit bias macintosh V5.x VM for people to try later today, since I'd suggest that should be used. >> >> >> >> ===================================================================== >> ====== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Â Twitter: Â >> squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. Â >> http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >> ===================================================================== >> ====== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 12, 2010