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Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11362

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

No this sounds ok. I will integrate now the rest :) Stef On May 14, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> 11362 >> ----- >> - remove complexTest -> move into external package >> - Issue 2424: Preparing Pharo-Core for i18n framework. >> translated returns self > > If I was unclear, please ask me some more details. > > Hilaire > > >> removed LanguageEditor >> removed TranslatedReceiverFinder >> Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11362

by Hilaire Fernandes

StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > 11362 > ----- > > - remove complexTest -> move into external package > - Issue 2424: Preparing Pharo-Core for i18n framework. > translated returns self If I was unclear, please ask me some more details. Hilaire > removed LanguageEditor > removed TranslatedReceiverFinder > > Stef

May 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Torsten Bergmann

>and made a small fix to make it resize on main window's resize Maybe you should put the text into another (rectangle) morph so that it is clipped - otherwise, if the window gets too small the navigation icons overlap the text and make the tips unreadable. Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

May 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11362

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

11362 ----- - remove complexTest -> move into external package - Issue 2424: Preparing Pharo-Core for i18n framework. translated returns self removed LanguageEditor removed TranslatedReceiverFinder Stef

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/5/14 Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> > Yes!! I was thinking of the same kind of things. We could use help from > someone who knows morphic better on how to detect things like > > - which window you are working > - what you are doing ;) > - what menu items / tools you use most. > - any intresting thing you could think > > these ideas are getting closer to WorkingSet http://n2.nabble.com/ANN- WorkingSet-td4286093.html#a4286093 maybe come kind of integration ? > Javier. > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 14 May 2010 21:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > I did have a look at it. >> > But I forgot :) I found it fun. >> > >> +1 i like these bits. They greatly helping people to enter a new domain. >> Its interesting, somehow to do it a context-sensitive. >> So, depending on a focused window (i.e. browser, workspace, debugger >> and so on), it could >> choost a tip for given context, like: >> 'did you know that to find a class by name in browser you can do ... ' >> and, if you currently in debugger, it could show a tips related to >> debugger, like: >> 'did you know that in debugger you can type or select one of the >> method's expression and then inspect or evaluate >> in the context of current method... ' >> >> > Stef >> > >> >> Stephane, >> >> I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a >> backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I >> wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Javier. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Javier >> >> >> >> this is fun. >> >> I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi, >> >> > I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know >> tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that >> just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should >> rotate automatically after some time. >> >> > I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already >> open, and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton >> class missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can >> see a screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard >> shortcuts and anything you think is useful. >> >> > By the way it is in >> >> > >> >> > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips >> >> > >> >> > and you open it doing >> >> > >> >> > PharoTipsMorph show. >> >> > >> >> > Hope someone likes it, >> >> > Javier. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Javier PimÃ¡s >> >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ >> >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Javier PimÃ¡s > Ciudad de Buenos Aires > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Javier PimÃ¡s

2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Javier, if people agree we can include it in PharoDev 1.1. Maybe not right > now, but once it is stable and with several tips... > > what do you think ? > > Of course! I'd be glad of that. Did I say anyone with any tips is welcome?? > Another idea: those tips are cool to read them there, but also would be > cool to have such tricks in http://book.pharo-project.org/ > > So...what about a way of parsing and autogenerting tricks from an URL of > the book ? Or vice-versa, from trips in your app, generate the Pier sintax > for the book ;) > > Cool, I'll have a look at pier syntax then. > Cheers > > Mariano > Regards, Javier. > > 2010/5/14 Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> > > Nice!!! That looks wonderful, you just got a write permission in >> squeaksource ;) Could you please commit these changes? >> >> Is there a standard code to distinguish pharo from squeak, so we can >> detect which morphs we should use for buttons?? >> >> Regards, >> Javier. >> >> 2010/5/14 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> >> >>> File in the attached #initialize method after >>> loading http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips/PharoTips-Pocho.1.mcz >>> >>> Run >>> >>> PharoTipsMorph show >>> >>> Then you have: >>> - a working Pharo version by using "IconicButton" >>> - better back/forward icons >>> - the text non-editable when you click on it >>> - a different color according to Polymorph look >>> (the old yellow color remind too much on the annoying web page >>> security bar from Internet explorer) >>> >>> If we use it in a dev-image we should consider placing the >>> logo at another location: >>> >>> |logo| >>> logo := World submorphs detect: [:each | each isKindOf: ImageMorph]. >>> logo bounds: (4@34 corner: 379@169) >>> >>> See attached screenshot. >>> >>> One thing that still strikes me is that it does not resize when >>> the outside native window is resized - which is hard to do >>> since there is not yet an event from the VM for that. >>> (see [1]) >>> >>> Bye >>> T. >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg21761.ht… >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! >>> Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Yes!! I was thinking of the same kind of things. We could use help from someone who knows morphic better on how to detect things like - which window you are working - what you are doing ;) - what menu items / tools you use most. - any intresting thing you could think Javier. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 May 2010 21:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > I did have a look at it. > > But I forgot :) I found it fun. > > > +1 i like these bits. They greatly helping people to enter a new domain. > Its interesting, somehow to do it a context-sensitive. > So, depending on a focused window (i.e. browser, workspace, debugger > and so on), it could > choost a tip for given context, like: > 'did you know that to find a class by name in browser you can do ... ' > and, if you currently in debugger, it could show a tips related to > debugger, like: > 'did you know that in debugger you can type or select one of the > method's expression and then inspect or evaluate > in the context of current method... ' > > > Stef > > > >> Stephane, > >> I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a > backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I > wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Javier. > >> > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Javier > >> > >> this is fun. > >> I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know > tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that > just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should > rotate automatically after some time. > >> > I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already > open, and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton > class missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can > see a screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard > shortcuts and anything you think is useful. > >> > By the way it is in > >> > > >> > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips > >> > > >> > and you open it doing > >> > > >> > PharoTipsMorph show. > >> > > >> > Hope someone likes it, > >> > Javier. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Javier PimÃ¡s > >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires > >> > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ > >> > Pharo-project mailing list > >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Javier PimÃ¡s > >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Excelent, I've uploaded these changes and made a small fix to make it resize on main window's resize. By the way, I fixed your permissions in squeaksource. Thanks! Javier. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Javier > > >Nice!!! That looks wonderful, you just got a write permission in > >squeaksource ;) Could you please commit these changes? > > No, since I have no permission yet. > > Attached is the full mcz with the cleanups. I also categorized > all methods (version 2). And added a missing "super initialize" > (version 3) > > Bye > T. > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Igor Stasenko

On 14 May 2010 21:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I did have a look at it. > But I forgot :) I found it fun. > +1 i like these bits. They greatly helping people to enter a new domain. Its interesting, somehow to do it a context-sensitive. So, depending on a focused window (i.e. browser, workspace, debugger and so on), it could choost a tip for given context, like: 'did you know that to find a class by name in browser you can do ... ' and, if you currently in debugger, it could show a tips related to debugger, like: 'did you know that in debugger you can type or select one of the method's expression and then inspect or evaluate in the context of current method... ' > Stef > >> Stephane, >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? >> >> Regards, >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Javier. >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Javier >> >> this is fun. >> I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. >> >> Stef >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > Â Â I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should rotate automatically after some time. >> > Â Â I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already open, and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton class missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can see a screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard shortcuts and anything you think is useful. >> > Â Â By the way it is in >> > >> > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips >> > >> > and you open it doing >> > >> > PharoTipsMorph show. >> > >> > Hope someone likes it, >> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Javier. >> > >> > -- >> > Javier PimÃ¡s >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> -- >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I paste a text I got from an old mail: "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature. On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature. " In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help. Cheers Mariano 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows? > I tried VNC viewer free ( > http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html) trying to > connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect > encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes. > Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local > Windows)? > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com>: >> > Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client? >> > >> you should have settings in your VNC client. >> also, you could set bpp for image. >> both could help to run things faster. >> >> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, >> not >> >> > the >> >> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's >> a >> >> > Pharo >> >> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo >> >> > though... >> >> > >> >> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :) >> >> >> >> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest >> >> >> adjective I can think to use. Please let us know if VNC is a better >> >> >> option. Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could >> be >> >> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be >> >> >> happening for >> >> >> no purpose??? It can be terribly slow, especially the response to >> >> >> typing. >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> Martinez Peck >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM >> >> >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to >> which >> >> >>> I >> >> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. >> >> >> >> >> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with >> scp >> >> >> or >> >> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. >> >> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on >> WinXP, >> >> >>> but >> >> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few >> minutes). >> >> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I >> am >> >> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it >> >> >>> remotely via >> >> >>> a secure connection. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take >> a >> >> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC >> >> >> client >> >> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. >> I >> >> >> don't >> >> >> know the performance, thus. >> >> >> >> >> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) >> >> >> >> >> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc >> >> >> >> >> >> To install it: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gofer it >> >> >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >> >> >> package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; >> >> >> load. >> >> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: >> #latestVersion) >> >> >> load. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thank you, >> >> >>> Andrei >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 14, 2010