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Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! 30 min. One little bug or a little tests. Yes you can have an impact! Stef On Apr 15, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > You are right... and I pick up the glove. I want compromise some of my free time on move on Pharo :) > This is not really much, since now I have several ongoing projects who (I hope) will contribute to pharo community: > > -Mars/Deimos > -Reef > -SeasideXUL/Magritte-SeasideXUL (this is new :P) > > but I think I can spend a couple of hours/week on (trying to) solve some of the minor issues, starting this week. > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > On 2010-04-15 04:14:59 -0300, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> said: > >> Hi guys >> Let me reiterate it: >> - We need you! >> - 75 % of the issues on the bug tracker are simple. >> - BTW how did we learn stuff, by reading code and learning. I'm not smart I'm just a tedious learner >> I can any opportunity to learn something new. >> - if you spend 30 min a week, YOU CAN get an IMPACT! >> - if pharo is important for you then 30 min in a good investment >> - every single LITTLE bugs fixed and improvement is IMPORTANT >> - we do not want the final latest coolest superhyper cool and hyper clever fixes! >> - we accept little improvement >> - in UNSTABLE we have the right to push not 100% finish code >> Now think what YOU can do for pharo. Because Yes YOU can >> - screencast >> - checking tests (yesterday I moved CompiledMethodAsStringTest>>testPrint to CompiledMethodTest>>testPrint) Yeah hyper difficult >> - Class comments: look at the URI class comment >> - blogging >> - tweeting >> >> >> We should slowly change our process so that Pharo continue to evolve even if we disappear on the moon. >> Now I asked marcus to focus on the newcompiler and stop fixing little bugs because we want to make progress on other fronts. >> We want newcompiler - we want the newcompiler - we want the newcompiler and fixing it and fixing its interface. >> We want Helvetia hooks -We want Helvetia hooks. >> We want a new package object (but I do not find time to code argh). >> Stef > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome and Rome plugin

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi john Smalltalk listLoadedModules #('Matrix2x3Plugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FloatArrayPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SurfacePlugin Mar 13 2010 (i)' 'RomePlugin dg.40 4 February 2008 (e)' 'UUIDPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'ClipboardExtendedPlugin 20 August 2009 (e)' 'ZipPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SocketPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LocalePlugin 9 June 2005 (e)' 'InternetConfigPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'B2DPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'BitBltPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LargeIntegers v1.5 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MacMenubarPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SecurityPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FilePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'DropPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MiscPrimitivePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)') So the RomePlugin is loaded. But I still get primOpen <primitive: 'primitiveOpen' module: 'RomePlugin'> ^self primitiveFailed when I try the demoMovingCar I will try to put the info.plist to 1 On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:09 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > There should be a rome plugin RomePlugin.bundle v 1.2.1 in the resource folder of the macintosh V4.x VMs... > You'll need to chase why it doesn't load. > Adjust the info.plist 'SqueakDebug' to 1 in the VM, start and then use apple's console application to check for messages > in the system log to see what happens when it attempts to load the plugin. > > > On 2010-04-14, at 2:45 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> But mike the romePlugin is in the resources folder. >> >> Stef >> >> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: >> >>> On 4/14/2010 10:06 AM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: >>>> RomePlugin is present in none of listLoadedModules and listBuiltinModules >>> >>> that would explain the problem. >>> You need the external plugin then. >>> >>> MIchael >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)

by Esteban Lorenzano

oops, I forgot to say I also collaborating with SquakDBX... Mariano is going to kill me... :P On 2010-04-15 09:34:29 -0300, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> said: > You are right... and I pick up the glove. I want compromise some of my > > free time on move on Pharo :) > This is not really much, since now I have several ongoing projects who > > (I hope) will contribute to pharo community: > > -Mars/Deimos > -Reef > -SeasideXUL/Magritte-SeasideXUL (this is new :P) > > but I think I can spend a couple of hours/week on (trying to) solve > > some of the minor issues, starting this week. > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > On 2010-04-15 04:14:59 -0300, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> said: > >> Hi guys >> > >> Let me reiterate it: >> > >> - We need you! >> - 75 % of the issues on the bug tracker are simple. >> - BTW how did we learn stuff, by reading code and learning. I'm not > >> smart I'm just a tedious learner >> I can any opportunity to learn something new. >> - if you spend 30 min a week, YOU CAN get an IMPACT! >> - if pharo is important for you then 30 min in a good investment >> - every single LITTLE bugs fixed and improvement is IMPORTANT >> - we do not want the final latest coolest superhyper cool and hyper > >> clever fixes! >> - we accept little improvement >> - in UNSTABLE we have the right to push not 100% finish code >> > >> Now think what YOU can do for pharo. Because Yes YOU can >> - screencast >> - checking tests (yesterday I moved > >> CompiledMethodAsStringTest>>testPrint to CompiledMethodTest>>testPrint) > >> Yeah hyper difficult >> - Class comments: look at the URI class comment >> - blogging >> - tweeting >> > >> > >> We should slowly change our process so that Pharo continue to evolve > >> even if we disappear on the moon. >> > >> Now I asked marcus to focus on the newcompiler and stop fixing little > >> bugs because we want to make progress on other fronts. >> > >> We want newcompiler - we want the newcompiler - we want the > >> newcompiler and fixing it and fixing its interface. >> We want Helvetia hooks -We want Helvetia hooks. >> We want a new package object (but I do not find time to code argh). >> > >> Stef

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)

by Esteban Lorenzano

You are right... and I pick up the glove. I want compromise some of my free time on move on Pharo :) This is not really much, since now I have several ongoing projects who (I hope) will contribute to pharo community: -Mars/Deimos -Reef -SeasideXUL/Magritte-SeasideXUL (this is new :P) but I think I can spend a couple of hours/week on (trying to) solve some of the minor issues, starting this week. Cheers, Esteban On 2010-04-15 04:14:59 -0300, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> said: > Hi guys > > Let me reiterate it: > > - We need you! > - 75 % of the issues on the bug tracker are simple. > - BTW how did we learn stuff, by reading code and learning. I'm not > smart I'm just a tedious learner > I can any opportunity to learn something new. > - if you spend 30 min a week, YOU CAN get an IMPACT! > - if pharo is important for you then 30 min in a good investment > - every single LITTLE bugs fixed and improvement is IMPORTANT > - we do not want the final latest coolest superhyper cool and hyper > clever fixes! > - we accept little improvement > - in UNSTABLE we have the right to push not 100% finish code > > Now think what YOU can do for pharo. Because Yes YOU can > - screencast > - checking tests (yesterday I moved > CompiledMethodAsStringTest>>testPrint to CompiledMethodTest>>testPrint) > Yeah hyper difficult > - Class comments: look at the URI class comment > - blogging > - tweeting > > > We should slowly change our process so that Pharo continue to evolve > even if we disappear on the moon. > > Now I asked marcus to focus on the newcompiler and stop fixing little > bugs because we want to make progress on other fronts. > > We want newcompiler - we want the newcompiler - we want the > newcompiler and fixing it and fixing its interface. > We want Helvetia hooks -We want Helvetia hooks. > We want a new package object (but I do not find time to code argh). > > Stef

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)

by Lukas Renggli

>> We want Helvetia hooks -We want Helvetia hooks. > what is it? http://scg.unibe.ch/research/helvetia Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Really Important message (tm)

by Igor Stasenko

On 15 April 2010 10:14, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > Let me reiterate it: > > Â Â Â Â - We need you! > Â Â Â Â - 75 % of the issues on the bug tracker are simple. > Â Â Â Â - BTW how did we learn stuff, by reading code and learning. I'm not smart I'm just a tedious learner > Â Â Â Â I can any opportunity to learn something new. > Â Â Â Â - if you spend 30 min a week, YOU CAN get an IMPACT! > Â Â Â Â - if pharo is important for you then 30 min in a good investment > Â Â Â Â - every single LITTLE bugs fixed and improvement is IMPORTANT > Â Â Â Â - we do not want the final latest coolest superhyper cool and hyper clever fixes! > Â Â Â Â - we accept little improvement > Â Â Â Â - in UNSTABLE we have the right to push not 100% finish code > > Now think what YOU can do for pharo. Because Yes YOU can > Â Â Â Â - screencast > Â Â Â Â - checking tests (yesterday I moved CompiledMethodAsStringTest>>testPrint to CompiledMethodTest>>testPrint) Yeah hyper difficult > Â Â Â Â - Class comments: look at the URI class comment > Â Â Â Â - blogging > Â Â Â Â - tweeting > > > We should slowly change our process so that Pharo continue to evolve even if we disappear on the moon. > > Now I asked marcus to focus on the newcompiler and stop fixing little bugs because we want to make progress on other fronts. > > We want newcompiler - Â we want the newcompiler - Â we want the newcompiler and fixing it and fixing its interface. > We want Helvetia hooks -We want Helvetia hooks. what is it? > We want a new package object (but I do not find time to code argh). > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11314 : textEditor from CUIS

by Alain Plantec

Henrik Johansen a Ã©crit : > > There are also references to Preferences 9 or so places in the code, these should be changed to Settings-equivalents. > Fixed http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2312 Cheers Alain > Cheers, > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 1.0 One-Click image

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Laurent, Stef, Especially with Linux users (who tend to have thick skin), we should offer links to things we want them to try. Each vm should ideally be provided in binary and source form. At the moment, I'm still using my hacked vm that loads libraries using absolute paths and focusing on building a 1.0 image. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:49 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 1.0 One-Click image > > Cool but is it stable? > > > On a production server I don't know. As an hobbyist user, yes :). All tests green. > I agree we need more feedback. But to have feedback we need to publish it... arggh.. at least update the link to this VM on Pharo website ? yes with a nice warning that we need feedback. Stef > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > > > Can we get rid of the __MACOSX folder in all .zip put on Pharo > > website ? I'm tired of deleting them :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26828/Pharo-1.0-OneClick.zi > > p > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord > > Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11314 : textEditor from CUIS

by Henrik Johansen

On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:43 43AM, Fernando olivero wrote: > Also most of the bugs happen when trying to use the Cuis old code for system navigation. > > SmalltalkTextEditor methods for browsing senders, implementors and alike. > > Stef fixed a couple of them, today i fixed a couple more. > > Tomorrow i'll post a slice with the fixes i've done this past week. > > Fernando I went through the beginning of various keyboard shortcuts in TextEditor, the following were my notes: End (#cursorEnd:) raises mnu Cmd-h (#setSearchString:) raised mnu - Ctrl-Enter (#crWithIndent:) is the same as default enter-action. Auto-indent setting is no longer available. - Esc action defined in Editor shortcut will never be used, since NewTextMorph/EntryFieldMorph returns early in keyStroke: method for esc characters (To do Announcement, which only morph itself is registered to). Should these Announcements be located in Editor, or its morph? If in editor, example1 could still work, you'd just do e model onEscapeSend: #delete to: e. Or better yet: e model announcer on: EscapePressed send: #delete to: e. that way you don't have duplicate utility methods for every announcement class / handling method you want to be able to plug into. Not to mention you can use the same Editor / Announcement plugin method for other frameworks than morphic. Also, SimpleEditor>>dispatchOn: has special code for Character cr on top, but the TextEditor code for handling of cr below (the asciiValue = 13 part) has not been removed although it is never called. In regards to the cr-handling in dispatchOn:, I don't really see the value of allowing typing of multiple line ending conventions in strings inside the image using modifier keys. Re: the previous lengthy discussion on the topic, I'm with the side that wanted to have consistent line endings in in-image strings. There are also references to Preferences 9 or so places in the code, these should be changed to Settings-equivalents. Cheers, Henry

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 1.0 One-Click image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > Cool but is it stable? > > > On a production server I don't know. As an hobbyist user, yes :). All tests green. > I agree we need more feedback. But to have feedback we need to publish it... arggh.. at least update the link to this VM on Pharo website ? yes with a nice warning that we need feedback. Stef > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > > > Can we get rid of the __MACOSX folder in all .zip put on Pharo website ? I'm tired of deleting them :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26828/Pharo-1.0-OneClick.zip > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010