April 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>>> >> AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented... > > Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download. > > Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple). > > In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image". This is exactly what I was wondering... What is a C application nowadays :) Still I think that the message from apple is blurring their image. Stef

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 1.0 released!

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks, Daniel, for posting on reddit! We currently are almost at the top of the list... Digg, anyone? Cheers, Adrian On Apr 15, 2010, at 17:06 , Daniel Birkinshaw wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:47:49PM +0200, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> Great!!! finally we did it :) >> >> Now...if someone know how to do it, it would be really cool to post in >> reddit or slashdot > > I was just about to but someone beat me to it: > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/brb2y/want_to_try_smalltalk_ph… > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] starting specific image in one-click Pharo?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Lawson English wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> The one click image is a bundle. >> u can open the bundle and change the image >> Now I suggest you install the vm and you double on your image. >> I do not use the oneclick because the package cache is inside and because I cannot decide what I execute easily >> >> > it should be easy to create an applescript shell that would launch first and let you choose which image you wanted to start with. Maybe some other command line parameters could be selected at that point also? probably but not for me. If you have it and it works we will happily include it. > I'm not sure what you mean about the package cache though. Does the VM use the cache in the .app directory differently than when it appears it the regular directory? > Mc creates a cache close to the image. > > Lawson > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome and Rome plugin

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

With UNSTABLE 11317 Smalltalk listLoadedModules #('ClipboardExtendedPlugin 20 August 2009 (e)' 'LocalePlugin 9 June 2005 (e)' 'InternetConfigPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'B2DPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'BitBltPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LargeIntegers v1.5 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MacMenubarPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SecurityPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FilePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'DropPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MiscPrimitivePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)') no romePlugin Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; version: 'Rome-StephaneDucasse.4'; load Smalltalk listLoadedModules #('ZipPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SocketPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'ClipboardExtendedPlugin 20 August 2009 (e)' 'LocalePlugin 9 June 2005 (e)' 'InternetConfigPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'B2DPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'BitBltPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LargeIntegers v1.5 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MacMenubarPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SecurityPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FilePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'DropPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MiscPrimitivePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)') no romePlugin RomeDemo demoMovingCar #('SurfacePlugin Mar 13 2010 (i)' 'RomePlugin dg.40 4 February 2008 (e)' 'ZipPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SocketPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'ClipboardExtendedPlugin 20 August 2009 (e)' 'LocalePlugin 9 June 2005 (e)' 'InternetConfigPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'B2DPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'BitBltPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LargeIntegers v1.5 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MacMenubarPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SecurityPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FilePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'DropPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MiscPrimitivePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)') Rome plugin but still the primitive fails Now if I take the sophie dev image then it works on the vm. Any idea where I can come from? 15/4/10 10:27:30 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] 15/4/10 10:27:30 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] VM: MouseModifierStateCarbon buttonStateBits 1 modifiers 0i 15/4/10 10:27:30 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] tryLoading /Applications/Squeak/Squeak 4.2.3beta1U.app/Contents/Resources/RomePlugin.bundle/Contents/MacOS/RomePlugin 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(getModuleName, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(setInterpreter, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(initialiseModule, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(primitivePluginVersion, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(primitiveCreateFormHandle, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] tryLoading /Applications/Squeak/Squeak 4.2.3beta1U.app/Contents/Resources/SurfacePlugin.bundle/Contents/MacOS/SurfacePlugin 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] tryLoading /Applications/Squeak/Squeak 4.2.3beta1U.app/Contents/Resources/SurfacePlugin 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] tryLoading /Applications/Squeak/Plugins/SurfacePlugin.bundle/Contents/MacOS/SurfacePlugin 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] tryLoading /Applications/Squeak/Plugins/SurfacePlugin 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] ioFindExternalFunctionIn(primitiveOpen, 3368144) 15/4/10 10:27:31 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] Squeak-Rome: canvas oop invalid! 15/4/10 10:27:32 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] VM: MouseModifierStateCarbon buttonStateBits 1 modifiers 0i 15/4/10 10:27:32 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] 15/4/10 10:27:32 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] VM: MouseModifierStateCarbon buttonStateBits 1 modifiers 0i 15/4/10 10:27:32 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] 15/4/10 10:27:33 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] VM: MouseModifierStateCarbon buttonStateBits 1 modifiers 0i 15/4/10 10:27:33 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] 15/4/10 10:27:33 PM [0x0-0x97097].org.squeak.Squeak[1034] VM: MouseModifierStateCarbon buttonStateBits 1 modifiers 0i

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1

by Phil (list)

Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing this but don't see any browsable archives since January. I was looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/ Thanks, Phil On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > > Yes extremely sad. > I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list. > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> Andreas Raab wrote: >>> On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote: >>>> Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement? >>> >>> Just in case anyone had any illusions on this: >>> >>> http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipad… >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Andreas >> >> Oh! How silly then can be! >> >> :( >> Juan Vuletich >> > >

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] starting specific image in one-click Pharo?

by Lawson English

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > The one click image is a bundle. > u can open the bundle and change the image > Now I suggest you install the vm and you double on your image. > I do not use the oneclick because the package cache is inside and because I cannot decide what I execute easily > > it should be easy to create an applescript shell that would launch first and let you choose which image you wanted to start with. Maybe some other command line parameters could be selected at that point also? I'm not sure what you mean about the package cache though. Does the VM use the cache in the .app directory differently than when it appears it the regular directory? Lawson

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1

by Bert Freudenberg

On 15.04.2010, at 22:11, Lawson English wrote: > > Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it. >> >> - Bert - > > AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented... Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download. Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple). In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image". - Bert -

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Rome and Rome plugin

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi We need help. Can you execute Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; version: 'Rome-StephaneDucasse.4'; load RomeDemo demoMovingCar And let me know if you get an error? Then can you let us know what is the value of Smalltalk listLoadedModules I do not understand why the prim failed even if the plugin is loaded. Stef On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi john > > Smalltalk listLoadedModules > > #('Matrix2x3Plugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FloatArrayPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SurfacePlugin Mar 13 2010 (i)' 'RomePlugin dg.40 4 February 2008 (e)' 'UUIDPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'ClipboardExtendedPlugin 20 August 2009 (e)' 'ZipPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SocketPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LocalePlugin 9 June 2005 (e)' 'InternetConfigPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'B2DPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'BitBltPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'LargeIntegers v1.5 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MacMenubarPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'SecurityPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'FilePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'DropPlugin 13 March 2010 (i)' 'MiscPrimitivePlugin 13 March 2010 (i)') > > So the RomePlugin is loaded. But I still get > > primOpen > <primitive: 'primitiveOpen' module: 'RomePlugin'> > ^self primitiveFailed > > when I try the demoMovingCar > > I will try to put the info.plist to 1 > > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:09 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> There should be a rome plugin RomePlugin.bundle v 1.2.1 in the resource folder of the macintosh V4.x VMs... >> You'll need to chase why it doesn't load. >> Adjust the info.plist 'SqueakDebug' to 1 in the VM, start and then use apple's console application to check for messages >> in the system log to see what happens when it attempts to load the plugin. >> >> >> On 2010-04-14, at 2:45 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> But mike the romePlugin is in the resources folder. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/14/2010 10:06 AM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: >>>>> RomePlugin is present in none of listLoadedModules and listBuiltinModules >>>> >>>> that would explain the problem. >>>> You need the external plugin then. >>>> >>>> MIchael >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> =========================================================================== >> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 >> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >> =========================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] Note about the release of Cuis 2.3, Pharo 1.0, Squeak 4.1

by Hannes Hirzel

Hello It is exciting to see the nearly simultaneous release of Cuis 2.3, Pharo 1.0 and Squeak 4.1. This gives a lot of choice and gives signals of being a healthy ecosystem. The advances in the last year have been tremendous. CONGRATULATIONS. It think having different 'distributions' running on the SqueakVM helps to grow as different needs can be more easily met. Regards Hannes Hirzel

April 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1

by Lawson English

Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps > written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down > because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code > from the internet and runs it. > > - Bert - AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented... Lawson

April 15, 2010