April 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Wish List for Tests

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > Stef wrote: >> 4. We should have a consistent naming of Test-Package > > I dislike this and I already mentioned that I would rather > follow a better scheme (the one from Seaside) I hate all the conventions that are there just to accomodate MC. I would prefer to have MyPackage-Tests MyPackage-Settings MyPackage-Stuff MyPackage-Core > > Class categories/packages are tyically sorted alphabetically > in the browser and other tools like Monticello. > So the code and the tests are not together in the tools > with this scheme. Yes I hate that too :) I want object thinking everywhere so we are in sync. > > And yes, real packages would be a plus ;) > >> open bug entry > > done, see issue #2319 > > Adrian wrote: >> If you run this in a Pharo image, it also does not leave any dirty >packages, but obviously it does not remove the tests from external >packages. To achieve this, the maintainers of external packages would need >to separate the tests from the rest of their code. > > I know ... when people see pharo they typically see "pharo-dev" > instead of "pharo-core". We want to shrink the core and grow the > dev image - both with the same quality. Question left is how we > can influence better quality for included external packages too... > > > Bye > T. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] Wish List for Tests

by Torsten Bergmann

Lukas wrote: >It is ugly if tests leave garbage, but this is not really a problem >for a continuous integration system. At least my setup always starts >builds at a clean place. I know that it is not a problem for rerunning. I mean the CI-System should check that nothing is left after running all the tests (maybe by using a test that is run as last test). >SmallLint checks that. In PharoCore there are over 30000 lint issues. >It is a lot of work to clean that all up. Several people already went >through some of the most important rules and fixed them. Method categories are good ... I totally miss them in Java, C#, ... Currently we try to cleaning them up afterwards which is a lot of work. Maybe we find a way to enforce them as early as possible: - upon method creation menu item "create method" with a method template in the browser and an initial dialog to ask for the category - or checking before saving/uploading in Monticello Stef wrote: >4. We should have a consistent naming of Test-Package I dislike this and I already mentioned that I would rather follow a better scheme (the one from Seaside) Class categories/packages are tyically sorted alphabetically in the browser and other tools like Monticello. So the code and the tests are not together in the tools with this scheme. And yes, real packages would be a plus ;) >open bug entry done, see issue #2319 Adrian wrote: >If you run this in a Pharo image, it also does not leave any dirty >packages, but obviously it does not remove the tests from external >packages. To achieve this, the maintainers of external packages would need >to separate the tests from the rest of their code. I know ... when people see pharo they typically see "pharo-dev" instead of "pharo-core". We want to shrink the core and grow the dev image - both with the same quality. Question left is how we can influence better quality for included external packages too... Bye T.

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 1.0 released!

by Henrik Johansen

On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:33 31PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks, Daniel, for posting on reddit! We currently are almost at the top of the list... > > > Cheers, > Adrian Gotta love reddit... 3 most repeated/discussed topics in comments: - "I don't know what Smalltalk is, and the site doesn't tell me, not even the about page!" - "SUCKS, I can't use my favourite text-editor and git!" - "1 + 2 * 3 = 9 WTF SMALLTALK" :D Cheers, Henry

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to the Success story page

by Adrian Lienhard

I updated the link Cheers, Adrian On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:28 , Simon Denier wrote: > Hi Adrian > > Could you update the link for Moose to http://www.moosetechnology.org/ ? (although there is an automatic redirection) > > Thank you! > > > On 16 avr. 2010, at 11:24, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Hi Carla, >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 05:27 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: >> >>> We're using Pharo in Buenos Aires, Argentina for the subject "Paradigmas de >>> ProgramaciÃ³n" (Programming paradigms) at "UTN - Universidad TecnolÃ³gica >>> Nacional". >> >> Could you please also send the link we can point to? >> >>> Does using Pharo only for the GlassTools to work with GLASS count as a >>> successful story? :P >> >> Yes, certainly. >> >> Adrian >> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:04 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> excellent idea. >>>> I know that there are other university or engineering schools in argentina. >>>> I will check that with mariano when he is back >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to add on the page >>>> http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories : >>>>> "University of Chile" in the Universities teaching in Pharo ( >>>> http://www.uchile.cl/) and >>>>> "PLEIAD / DCC" in the Research groups using Pharo (http://www.pleiad.cl >>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Simon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to the Success story page

by Simon Denier

Hi Adrian Could you update the link for Moose to http://www.moosetechnology.org/ ? (although there is an automatic redirection) Thank you! On 16 avr. 2010, at 11:24, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi Carla, > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 05:27 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: > >> We're using Pharo in Buenos Aires, Argentina for the subject "Paradigmas de >> ProgramaciÃ³n" (Programming paradigms) at "UTN - Universidad TecnolÃ³gica >> Nacional". > > Could you please also send the link we can point to? > >> Does using Pharo only for the GlassTools to work with GLASS count as a >> successful story? :P > > Yes, certainly. > > Adrian > >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:04 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >>> wrote: >> >>> excellent idea. >>> I know that there are other university or engineering schools in argentina. >>> I will check that with mariano when he is back >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to add on the page >>> http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories : >>>> "University of Chile" in the Universities teaching in Pharo ( >>> http://www.uchile.cl/) and >>>> "PLEIAD / DCC" in the Research groups using Pharo (http://www.pleiad.cl >>> ) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Simon

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to the Success story page

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Carla, On Apr 16, 2010, at 05:27 , Carla F. Griggio wrote: > We're using Pharo in Buenos Aires, Argentina for the subject "Paradigmas de > ProgramaciÃ³n" (Programming paradigms) at "UTN - Universidad TecnolÃ³gica > Nacional". Could you please also send the link we can point to? > Does using Pharo only for the GlassTools to work with GLASS count as a > successful story? :P Yes, certainly. Adrian > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:04 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >> wrote: > >> excellent idea. >> I know that there are other university or engineering schools in argentina. >> I will check that with mariano when he is back >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Would it be possible to add on the page >> http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories : >>> "University of Chile" in the Universities teaching in Pharo ( >> http://www.uchile.cl/) and >>> "PLEIAD / DCC" in the Research groups using Pharo (http://www.pleiad.cl >> ) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to the Success story page

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Alex Thanks for sending the links. I added them to the website. Adrian On Apr 15, 2010, at 21:58 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > Would it be possible to add on the page http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories : > "University of Chile" in the Universities teaching in Pharo (http://www.uchile.cl/) and > "PLEIAD / DCC" in the Research groups using Pharo (http://www.pleiad.cl) > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Wish List for Tests

by Adrian Lienhard

>> 2. When deleting all test cases using >> >> TestCase allSubclasses do: [:each | each removeFromSystem ] >> >> I have also Monticello packages changed that are not in test >> packages. >> >> Hope we find the time to clearly separate the tests from >> the "core" package to clean unload the tests and continue >> the modularization efforts. We have that already. I modularized the tests in PharoCore to make them cleanly unloadable. Do the following for unloading all tests from PharoCore (in ScriptLoader new>>cleanUpForProduction): #(Tests CollectionsTests CompilerTests FreeTypeTests GraphicsTests KernelTests MorphicTests MultilingualTests NetworkTests ToolsTest 'Gofer-Tests') do: [ :each | (MCPackage named: each) unload ]. If you run this in a Pharo image, it also does not leave any dirty packages, but obviously it does not remove the tests from external packages. To achieve this, the maintainers of external packages would need to separate the tests from the rest of their code. I don't think this is very important, though, because unloading tests is most important in PharoCore (that is, to strip down an image, you probably don't start from Pharo but PharoCore anyway). Cheers, Adrian

April 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo 1.0 - Win32 Installer

by Torsten Bergmann

There is a new Win32 Installer, now for the final 1.0 release. The Windows specific installer is a 10MB download compared to the 30MB "one click ZIP image for all platforms". The Setup installs Pharo on your windows machine including start menu registration, etc. As ever it's available from the general download page [1] or directly via [2]. Compared to the one click image (which uses the 3.11.8 Win32-VM) the new installer includes the latest 4.0.2 Win32 VM which is now usable with Pharo 1.0 by setting "EnableAltF4Quit = 1" in the Pharo.ini (see [3] for the discussion) The download page was also updated to link to the 4.0.2. VM. Bye T. [1] http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download [2] https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26835/setup_pharo1.0-10517-release… [3] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-April/025191.html -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

April 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Wish List for Tests

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

open bug entry and let us closed them. On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Just a short wish list for 1.1. regarding test cases: > > 1. After running all tests in 1.0 I still have three files > left on hard disk (rb-spelling.dat, foobug6933, > NSDataStreamTest###testGlobal test) > > If we are able to create a Continuos Integration system > (for core and dev image) we should check in a final test > case that no files are left. > > 3. We still have classes with methods that are not categorized. > For instance the methods in RenderBugz (a test case subclass) > could be easily categorized. > > One quality check for the CI system could be to check if > all methods in a release are categorized. > > 2. When deleting all test cases using > > TestCase allSubclasses do: [:each | each removeFromSystem ] > > I have also Monticello packages changed that are not in test > packages. > > Hope we find the time to clearly separate the tests from > the "core" package to clean unload the tests and continue > the modularization efforts. > > However ... the only constant is change and our progress so > far is really good. > > Bye > T. > > > > > > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 16, 2010