April 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Instance variable readers/writers

by Davide Varvello

Hi, Is there a way on Pharo to search for readers and writers of instance variables? TIA Davide -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Instance-variable-readers-writers-tp2075506p2075506.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] status of i18n for Pharo

by Hilaire Fernandes

Henrik Johansen a Ã©crit : > On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:49 53PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Are there any work in progress of i18n? >> I need it for DrGeo or I will have to write message in French in the code. >> >> Hilaire >> > Not sure what you mean with work in progress, but an existing alternative is the String>>translated method, which works the same in Squeak and Pharo. > > Squeak still contains and entry in the world menu for the tool used to edit language translations (Open -> Language Editor), while in Pharo you have to evaluate LanguageEditor open manually. > To create a new locale entry you want to translate to, you'd use NaturalLanguageTranslator isoLanguage:isoCountry:. Not that simple. We need a Pharo application infrastructure to embed into the localizations of a classes set. Without it, how can we distribute the localizations? It is unclear. Hilaire

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

My email was a bit obscur. I was talking for the participation to the Sprint. Not for the license agreement. Cheers, Alexandre On 29 Apr 2010, at 09:46, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > no let me do it so that we are sure that the list is in sync. > In the future I will generate it from the svn folder. > > On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> Hi German, >> >> Please, add your name in the wiki page (or let me know if you can't) >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2010, at 09:41, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> >>> ok, thanks! >>> >>> 2010/4/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> each time I receive a license >>>> I scanned it >>>> archive it >>>> have a look at the stamp :) >>>> and update the web page systematically >>>> so you can always know :) >>>> >>>> But German you can participate no need to wait that the license >>>> physically arrives :) >>>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>>> >>>>> If is a sunday, I can try to help some hours by IRC/skype/Twitter. >>>>> >>>>> I've already signed the agreement, Stef you received it? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> GermÃ n. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/4/28 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>>>> good point. It would be nice to have a diffusion on twitter as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Something important, people who want to join need to sign the >>>>>> license >>>>>> agreement: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pharo-project.org/license >>>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgre… >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have problem to send surface mail, then send me a .pdf, >>>>>> I will mail >>>>>> to Stef. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May >>>>>>>> 23. >>>>>>>> An entry has been added to the page >>>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints >>>>>>>> Please, add your name if you wish to participate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some >>>>>>>> people proposed >>>>>>>> to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? >>>>>>>> I set up two doodle: >>>>>>>> Choose the day: >>>>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Choose the location: >>>>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ================================================= >>> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >>> Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >>> PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >>> ================================================= >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

no let me do it so that we are sure that the list is in sync. In the future I will generate it from the svn folder. On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi German, > > Please, add your name in the wiki page (or let me know if you can't) > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > On 29 Apr 2010, at 09:41, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >> ok, thanks! >> >> 2010/4/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> each time I receive a license >>> I scanned it >>> archive it >>> have a look at the stamp :) >>> and update the web page systematically >>> so you can always know :) >>> >>> But German you can participate no need to wait that the license physically arrives :) >>> >>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >>> >>>> If is a sunday, I can try to help some hours by IRC/skype/Twitter. >>>> >>>> I've already signed the agreement, Stef you received it? >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> GermÃ n. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/4/28 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>>> good point. It would be nice to have a diffusion on twitter as well. >>>>> >>>>> Something important, people who want to join need to sign the license >>>>> agreement: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.pharo-project.org/license >>>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgre… >>>>> >>>>> If you have problem to send surface mail, then send me a .pdf, I will mail >>>>> to Stef. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May 23. >>>>>>> An entry has been added to the page >>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints >>>>>>> Please, add your name if you wish to participate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some people proposed >>>>>>> to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? >>>>>>> I set up two doodle: >>>>>>> Choose the day: >>>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Choose the location: >>>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ================================================= >> GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino >> Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com >> PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com >> ================================================= >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi German, Please, add your name in the wiki page (or let me know if you can't) Cheers, Alexandre On 29 Apr 2010, at 09:41, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > ok, thanks! > > 2010/4/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> each time I receive a license >> I scanned it >> archive it >> have a look at the stamp :) >> and update the web page systematically >> so you can always know :) >> >> But German you can participate no need to wait that the license >> physically arrives :) >> >> On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: >> >>> If is a sunday, I can try to help some hours by IRC/skype/Twitter. >>> >>> I've already signed the agreement, Stef you received it? >>> >>> Cheers. >>> GermÃ n. >>> >>> >>> 2010/4/28 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>>> good point. It would be nice to have a diffusion on twitter as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> Something important, people who want to join need to sign the >>>> license >>>> agreement: >>>> >>>> http://www.pharo-project.org/license >>>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgre… >>>> >>>> If you have problem to send surface mail, then send me a .pdf, I >>>> will mail >>>> to Stef. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May 23. >>>>>> An entry has been added to the page >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints >>>>>> Please, add your name if you wish to participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some people >>>>>> proposed >>>>>> to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? >>>>>> I set up two doodle: >>>>>> Choose the day: >>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq >>>>>> >>>>>> Choose the location: >>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > ================================================= > GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino > Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com > PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com > ================================================= > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

ok, thanks! 2010/4/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > each time I receive a license > Â Â Â Â I scanned it > Â Â Â Â archive it > Â Â Â Â have a look at the stamp :) > Â Â Â Â and update the web page systematically > so you can always know :) > > But German you can participate no need to wait that the license physically arrives :) > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino wrote: > >> If is a sunday, I can try to help some hours by IRC/skype/Twitter. >> >> I've already signed the agreement, Stef you received it? >> >> Cheers. >> GermÃ n. >> >> >> 2010/4/28 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >>> good point. It would be nice to have a diffusion on twitter as well. >>> >>> Something important, people who want to join need to sign the license >>> agreement: >>> >>> http://www.pharo-project.org/license >>> http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgre… >>> >>> If you have problem to send surface mail, then send me a .pdf, I will mail >>> to Stef. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. >>>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May 23. >>>>> An entry has been added to the page >>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints >>>>> Please, add your name if you wish to participate. >>>>> >>>>> The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some people proposed >>>>> to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? >>>>> I set up two doodle: >>>>> Choose the day: >>>>> http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq >>>>> >>>>> Choose the location: >>>>> http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] Fwd: is it possible to know the memory occupation (bytes) of an object?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> It's close but not entirely correct. The computation needs to include the > extra header word for "large" instances (> 255 bytes). Squeak has three > possible header sizes: > > 1 header word - used by compact classes > 2 header words - used by regular classes > 3 header words - used by "large" instances > > BTW, SpaceTally>>spaceForInstancesOf:withInstanceCount: has the correct > computation (except for 64 bit :-) > > Ok, perfect. Thanks :) > > Is there a way to know this >> but from the VM side also ? how ? >> I really need it from the VM side :( but I have no idea how to do it. >> > > It's easy to do in the VM, just use this: > > primitiveByteSize > "Answers the number of bytes the receiver occupies" > > | nbytes| > self export: true. > oop := self popStack. > nbytes := (self sizeBitsOf: oop) + (self extraHeaderBytes: oop). > self pushInteger: nbytes. > > I tried this and seems to work ok. I don't really need a primitive but an internal method that is called by a primitive. So, I did something like this: internalByteSize: anOop "Answers the number of bytes the receiver occupies" | nbytes| self inline: true. nbytes := (self sizeBitsOf: anOop) + (self extraHeaderBytes: anOop). ^ nbytes. and then I call it like this for example: oop := self firstAccessibleObject. [oop = nil] whileFalse: [ (self isIntegerObject: oop) ifFalse: [ size := self internalByteSize: oop. ......] oop := self accessibleObjectAfter: oop. ]. but internalByteSize ALWAYS return me the same value...do you know what can be wrong ? Thanks in advance Mariano

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Where do I get the latest 1.1 image?

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Hannes, We are currently working on making Pharo 1.1 from PharoCore 1.1. We're almost there... Alexandre On 29 Apr 2010, at 08:12, Hannes Hirzel wrote: > I found it > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26897/PharoCore-1.1-11326-UNSTABLE… > > It is called 'PreFreeze' which is fine. > > --Hannes > > On 4/29/10, Hannes Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello >> >> I'd like to download the latest 1.1 image. >> >> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >> >> is focused on 1.0. >> >> I clicked on the link >> 'PharoCore images and other files' >> at the bottom and I get a list of files, but no 1.1? >> >> Where is it? >> >> --Hannes >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes sounds good. Prove that 3 methods are enough because we are cool :) >> It's not a question of one vs. the other, really. >> The cs doesn't change the Settings implementation, it simply adds support for also discovering settings defined in the pragma style used by Squeak. >> The downside is you'd have two ways to define settings. >> The upside is the > the upside is ... :) > well, I will have a look at the cs. > I would prefer that this changes do not introduce any > overwriting so that it can be loaded separately as a compatibility package. > so, i will investigate the changes needed for the settingbrowser. > is that ok like that ? > Cheers > Alain > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok I see and I like your analysis. This is much more positive energy :) so what we could do is to integrate the code of andreas but write in big that we should not use it internally. Tell me if I interpreted well your message :) Stef > > >> Well >> well well >> >>>> Good but what is your point? >>> >>> Compatibility and simplicity. >> >> do you want to tie us with strings on the temple of compatibility? We do not want that. >> >> We are sorry but we do not want to lose what we designed as it is what we need/want, just because squeak has a >> worse solution that you call compatible and simple. > > It's not a question of one vs. the other, really. > The cs doesn't change the Settings implementation, it simply adds support for also discovering settings defined in the pragma style used by Squeak. > The downside is you'd have two ways to define settings. > The upside is the >> >>> I'm still interested in compatibility though, and as a consequence, I think we should agree on some basics. It's unlikely that anyone is going to implement the entire Pharo Settings framework in Squeak, so instead I'm giving you a trivial implementation of Squeak's preference annotation, along the way making a point about simplicity. >> >> yes but what can we do with it? >> Since it does not fit our needs. > > It does not fit all the needs, no. > - Sub-categories: Not impossible, but still; not supported. > - Advanced value types: Specific strings like passwords, filenames, radio-button type prefs, integers with ranges, etc. > - Precondition: etc. are not supported. > > In Pharo, there are > - 86 Settings (if I counted correctly, there could be some preconditional ones I didn't see as well). > - 23 Could be implemented Squeak-pragma style currently. > - 63 if sub-categories were supported. > The remaining 23 are split: > - chooses fonts (8) > - conditional. (7) > - multiple choice prefs whose possible values which can't be linked directly to type: by the builder (5) > - have ranges to their possible values (4) > - Chooses files (1) > - Chooses password (1). > > So no, the pragma/annotation don't fit our needs exactly. (For that matter, neither does it fit the needs of all preferences in Squeak) > If support for sub-categories was added, a lot of them could be written in the simpler squeak style though, with no loss of functionality. > > IMO, providing support for both (if a way to specify sub-categories were decided upon) would match up well with the mantra: 'Make the common things easy; make the hard things possible'. > > Cheers, > Henry > > PS. > Multival could be supported in squeak with a type: #Choice or something, and an additional pragma somewhat like: > <preferenceChoiceFor: 'UI Theme' > label: 'Aqua 2'> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 29, 2010