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Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Although it hurts to admit, I think Stef is downright on his take... OTOH, I feel we lost the bandwagon long time ago when Apple already sent the message by stopping supporting Squeak. So, just to attempt to bring another idea to the debate, I suggest we reason this way: presently this platform is getting a lot of attention and we (lets define our Smalltalk + Scratch interest group hereÂ¹) saw some prospects for some uses of it which Apple could not conceive a way of its business model without forbidding it. It is their platform their business model! Is like we are trying again to show how nerdy and rebel we are as were the folks that got the PS to run Linux. . . my 0.019999.... -- [1] In another post I can post my take about dynamic languages in general if interest remains on this subject) Em 22/04/2010 15:43, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > escreveu: if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself. Stef On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > > On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their >> web page. Apple will get a bad press. > > > Yes well I don't think that will achieve much. > > Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their > institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements > that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum. > > This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are > more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should > be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going. > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/listinfo/esug-list _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] FEATURE: User chooses preferred location for MC directory repositories

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

I just submitted some text can you check if it is clear and can be published? -- Cesar Rabak Em 21/04/2010 08:26, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com > escreveu: Here http://book.pharo-project.org/book/TipsAndTricks/PharoRC Can someone adapt it for Windows ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: Cool I will do that too. Can you create a book entry with that because this is cool :) Stef On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:40 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Michael Roberts <mike(a)mjr104.co.uk> wrote: > i'm not sure what either of you mean. I want there to be no UI choice > and the system just looks higher up in the file system hierarchy. > > certainly environment variables or a .pharorc style file would solve this. > > > On my machine I've written these files: > ~/.pharorc.st > > Author fullName: 'LaurentLaffont'. > > MCRepositoryGroup default addRepository: > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â (MCDirectoryRepository new directory: > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â (FileDirectory on: '/home/laurent/pharo/repository')). > > Then > > ~/bin/pharo: > > #!/bin/sh > squeak $1 ~/.pharorc.st > > > Then I launch my image with: > pharo /path/to/my.image > > Author and repository always set for every image. Very emacs-like :) > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > > > thanks, > Mike > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Whether the user is required to specify a "default directory" or a > > directory to a repository, it's the same task isn't it? > > > > Once you add it once to MC, it can be "added" to any other package. > > So this defaultDirectory would seem to be a feature not worth its > > weight.. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > >> > >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2329 > >> > >> Pharo image: Pharo 1.0 > >> > >> In Monticello Browser, when I click "+Repository" and select "directory," > >> I'd love to be taken right to the directory where I keep my local > >> repositories, instead of having to click to the same place over and over. > >> > >> I changed the following method: > >> MCDirectoryRepository class>>morphicConfigure > >> Â Â Â Â ^ (UIManager default chooseDirectoryFrom: (FileDirectory on: > >> '/path/to/my/Repositories')) ifNotNil: > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â [:directory | > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â self new directory: directory] > >> > >> How should I store the default repository directory? Â Would anyone else find > >> this helpful? > >> > >> Sean DeNigris > >> -- > >> View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/FEATURE-User-chooses-preferred-location-for-MC-directo… > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project Â

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] Re: Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself. Stef On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > > On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their >> web page. Apple will get a bad press. > > > Yes well I don't think that will achieve much. > > Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their > institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements > that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum. > > This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are > more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should > be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going. > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/listinfo/esug-list

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] New company selling Smalltalk products

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

long live to ObjectFusion... Stef On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Hi, > > SÃ©bastien Audier and I recently started a company named ObjectFusion > selling Smalltalk web applications, using Iliad web framework. > > Our first product, Odyssey CMS, is a web content managment system. The > system is available in english and french. > It is designed to be extensible, flexible and easy to use. > > Instead of using a formatting syntax or a WYSIWYG text editor, our CMS > is using inline editing, inspired by CMSBox. > Every part of the page can be arranged and edited in place, and is > automatically adapted to the design of the website. > > Odyssey also features mutliple undo/redo for all actions on a page. Any > mistake can be cancelled at any time. When editing a page, it is also > possible to copy/cut/paste any part. > > > We offer several plans & pricing with commercial hosting. If you want to > learn more about services we offer, you can visit our website (in > french) : > http://www.objectfusion.fr > > Cheers, > > Nicolas Petton > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by John M McIntosh

On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their > web page. Apple will get a bad press. Yes well I don't think that will achieve much. Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum. This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going. -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by John M McIntosh

On 2010-04-22, at 4:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > so... I want to be clear... that means "Deimos" (and the adhoc vm) is not being allowed to exist? > (right now, I'm working on deimos as if not change was introduced at all, but I need to take all of this into account now :P) > > Cheers, > Esteban Well you can read the http://monotouch.net news item and think it over. Novell says: "we have heard little direct feedback from Apple" Ya, been there... Right now C, C++, Obj-C, Javascript are the only allowable languages to code in. Maybe they'll refine it a bit and add assembler, or maybe they will ditch the entire clause. -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

April 22, 2010

[Pharo-project] New company selling Smalltalk products

by Nicolas Petton

Hi, SÃ©bastien Audier and I recently started a company named ObjectFusion selling Smalltalk web applications, using Iliad web framework. Our first product, Odyssey CMS, is a web content managment system. The system is available in english and french. It is designed to be extensible, flexible and easy to use. Instead of using a formatting syntax or a WYSIWYG text editor, our CMS is using inline editing, inspired by CMSBox. Every part of the page can be arranged and edited in place, and is automatically adapted to the design of the website. Odyssey also features mutliple undo/redo for all actions on a page. Any mistake can be cancelled at any time. When editing a page, it is also possible to copy/cut/paste any part. We offer several plans & pricing with commercial hosting. If you want to learn more about services we offer, you can visit our website (in french) : http://www.objectfusion.fr Cheers, Nicolas Petton

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Excellent! Stef On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > Here's a nice apple skull: > > http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/images/int-ss-001-01.jpg > > You can buy a T-shirt too ;-) > > - on > > http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/product_info.php?products_id=1719… > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 15:22 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>>> As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not = >>>> allowed, but in the=20 >>>> future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even = >>>> if it's hidden from view >>>> or ultimately cross compiled into an Objective-C application. >>> >>> so... I want to be clear... that means "Deimos" (and the adhoc vm) is not being allowed to exist? >>> (right now, I'm working on deimos as if not change was introduced at all, but I need to take all of this into account now :P) >>> >> indeed. >> >> I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their >> web page. Apple will get a bad press. >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by Oscar Nierstrasz

Here's a nice apple skull: http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/images/int-ss-001-01.jpg You can buy a T-shirt too ;-) - on http://www.bluecollardistro.com/indietech/product_info.php?products_id=1719… On Apr 22, 2010, at 15:22 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >>> As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not = >>> allowed, but in the=20 >>> future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even = >>> if it's hidden from view >>> or ultimately cross compiled into an Objective-C application. >> >> so... I want to be clear... that means "Deimos" (and the adhoc vm) is not being allowed to exist? >> (right now, I'm working on deimos as if not change was introduced at all, but I need to take all of this into account now :P) >> > indeed. > > I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their > web page. Apple will get a bad press. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Talking to Steve Jobs about Scratch.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> As everyone should be aware Scratch as an interpreted language is not = >> allowed, but in the=20 >> future Smalltalk as a language not on the short list is not allowed even = >> if it's hidden from view >> or ultimately cross compiled into an Objective-C application. > > so... I want to be clear... that means "Deimos" (and the adhoc vm) is not being allowed to exist? > (right now, I'm working on deimos as if not change was introduced at all, but I need to take all of this into account now :P) > indeed. I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their web page. Apple will get a bad press. Stef

April 22, 2010