April 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: Strange bug

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

oops then this is a vicious MC bug? You should show me that. Stef On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > After playing a bit with that, it seems that it is not moose specific. I have maybe an idea about the origin of the Problem: > > I have a package, Merlin, which is usually saved in is own repository, www.squeaksource.com/Merlin. > > I had to make some changes on Merlin, and during all this time, I saved all the 'dummy versions' of Merlin in another repository: www.squeaksource.com/DelaunayTmpStuffs. > > Now, if I compare the latest version from those two repositories: > in www.squeaksource.com/Merlin, BEFORE CHANGES , the offset of the instance variable causing the problem is 10. > in www.squeaksource.com/DelaunayTmpStuffs, AT THE END OF CHANGES , the offset of the instance variable causing the problem is 15. > > The problem will only happen when merging those two versions. If you load the version directly from DelaunayTmpStuffs, all will be ok. > Then, I don't know how the information about the instance variable offsets is propagated along the different versions of a package. But it seems that when merging, the information (telling that the offset of the variable has changed) has been lost in all the version of DelaunayTmpStuffs > > > > > 2010/4/27 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > We should check the Moose overrides? > is there somewhere a method adding behavior to behavior and friends? > I did not get the time to have a look. > > On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > That is too low level for me :) > > > > Doru > > > > > > On 26 Apr 2010, at 13:56, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Last week I had a error due to a strange behaviour: I had an instance variable and an accessor to this instance variable. The instance variable is instanciated at the initialization of the class. When the error occure, the instance variable is not nil (when inspecting it from the debugger ). But, when evaluating the accessor, it return nil. > >> > >> This occure in the pharo 1.0 dev image. I test it this morning on a clean image and on a click image with moose. It seems that the bug is specific to moose. If you want to reproduce it: > >> > >> Download the last version of Merlin from www.squeaksource.com/DelaunayTmpStuffs. > >> run the method MerlinExamples class >> parametrizedMorphDropLists. it should work correctly. > >> Now restart, load moose (load Conf > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi brent On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Brent Pinkney wrote: > Hi all,+ > > Could those in the know comment on how this <...> proposal is (or is not) consistent with the fundamental Smalltalk principles Sorry but I do not have the time to read squeak-dev. so what is <...> the use of pragmas? Or is there something else? > that: > > 1. "an object is send a message and responds with an object" > 2. there is no other "magic" in the system. > > Are we proposing a break fromv this ? If so, IMO we need to really get it right before we commit. > > Thanks > > Brent > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May 23. > An entry has been added to the page http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints > Please, add your name if you wish to participate. > > The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some people proposed to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? > I set up two doodle: > Choose the day: > http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq > > Choose the location: > http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Fwd: Re: Demo mode in Pharo]

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr>wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > >> >> >> 2010/4/28 Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr <mailto: >> alain.plantec(a)free.fr>> >> >> >> >> >> Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : >> >> Ok thank you Alain. Maybe we should add these information in >> the FAQ ;-) >> >> done >> >> >> Where is it ? I cannot find it. Are we both talking about >> >> http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq >> > sorry, I've put it in the google wiki (code snippets) > can someone send me a login/passwd for the official faq ? > No problem. Adrain can do it. I cc him. > Thanks > Alain > > >> ? >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >> >> Alain >> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Alain Plantec >> <alain.plantec(a)free.fr <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: >> >> Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> i'm looking for a way to put Pharo in demo mode with >> large fonts. >> There is a menu item in Squeak but i found nothing in >> Pharo. >> >> >> Hi Serge, >> >> in Pharo 1.0 >> Preferences setDemoFonts >> >> in Pharo 1.1 >> from the setting browser, >> style button (top button bar) then load item then you >> choose demo mode. >> or >> DemoSettingStyle new load >> >> Alain >> >> Thank you. >> Best regards, >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Hannes Hirzel

On 4/28/10, Brent Pinkney <brent(a)zamail.co.za> wrote: > Hi all,+ > > Could those in the know comment on how this <...> proposal is (or is not) > consistent with the fundamental Smalltalk principles > that: > > 1. "an object is send a message and responds with an object" > 2. there is no other "magic" in the system. > > Are we proposing a break fromv this ? YES, actually it has already happened. You like me one week ago were just not aware of it. If so, IMO we need to really get it > right before we commit. Yes, I agree. And this discussion is on-going. I'm glad you joined. In the writeup of Andreas Annotations for Service Discovery http://squeakingalong.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/annotations-for-service-disc… he uses the word 'orthogonal'. I think it is helpful to think of method annotations of something 'orthogonal' to regular Smalltalk source code. Like CSS is 'orthogonal' to HTML. --Hannes > Thanks > > Brent > >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Brent Pinkney

Hi all,+ Could those in the know comment on how this <...> proposal is (or is not) consistent with the fundamental Smalltalk principles that: 1. "an object is send a message and responds with an object" 2. there is no other "magic" in the system. Are we proposing a break fromv this ? If so, IMO we need to really get it right before we commit. Thanks Brent

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Fwd: Re: Demo mode in Pharo]

by Alain Plantec

Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > > 2010/4/28 Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> > > > > Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : > > Ok thank you Alain. Maybe we should add these information in > the FAQ ;-) > > > done > > > Where is it ? I cannot find it. Are we both talking about > > http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq sorry, I've put it in the google wiki (code snippets) can someone send me a login/passwd for the official faq ? Thanks Alain > > ? > > cheers > > mariano > > > > Alain > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Alain Plantec > <alain.plantec(a)free.fr <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > > Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : > > > Hi, > i'm looking for a way to put Pharo in demo mode with > large fonts. > There is a menu item in Squeak but i found nothing in > Pharo. > > > > Hi Serge, > > in Pharo 1.0 > Preferences setDemoFonts > > in Pharo 1.1 > from the setting browser, > style button (top button bar) then load item then you > choose demo mode. > or > DemoSettingStyle new load > > Alain > > > Thank you. > Best regards, > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfPharo and OmniBrowser

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Hi! > > I am now trying to make ConfigurationOfPharo load the last version of > OmniBrowser. > If I do in a fresh core: ConfigurationOfPharo project lastVersion load > > Then OmniBrowser-lr.458 and OB-Morphic-lr.112 are loaded. No. If you take a PharoCore 1.0 OR 1.1 and evaluate ConfigurationOfPharo project lastVersion load It installs OmniBrowser-lr.469 and OB-Morphic-lr.116 which are correct as those are defined in ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser version 1.1.2. And ConfigurationOfPharo 1.1 has 1.1.2 of OB. > The loading blocks on the deprecated warning (yes, the registration in the > World menu). > In ConfigurationOfPharo>>version11: I have > > spec > project: 'PharoNonCorePackages' with: > '1.1.0'; > project: 'NewInspector' with: '1.1'; > project: 'Shout' with: '1.0'; > project: 'Shout Tests' with: '1.0'; > project: 'OCompletion' with: '1.1'; > project: 'OCompletion Tests' with: '1.1'; > project: 'OB Dev' with: '1.1.3'; > project: 'OB Dev Tests' with: '1.1.3'; > ... > > I therefore assume that the version 1.1.3 of OmniBrowser is loaded. > 1.1.3 is indeed the last version specified in ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser: > ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser project lastVersion > => ~1.1.3 [ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser] > > But I evaluate: ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser project lastVersion load > Then the version OB-Morphic-lr.116, OB-Standard-lr.463 and > OmniBrowser-lr.469 are loaded. > > Exactly. And that's correct. Those are the versions that are defined in ConfigurationOfOmnibrowser 1.1.3 > I find it is very hard to keep track of what is actually loaded. > > I don't understand your problem. Everything seems to work as exepected. > I haven't closely followed the evolution of Metacello, but there is not a > way to say: > spec project: 'OB Dev' with: 'lastestVersion' > Yes. Don't put any version. If you don't define a version, metacallo will load the last one. project: 'OB Dev'; or even remove that line from the version method. Even more, if you want ALL the last, you can load the baseline instead of the version. In such case, as you don't specify any version, it will download all the last ones. Cheers Mariano > Or Something? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Fwd: Re: Demo mode in Pharo]

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/4/28 Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr> > > > Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : > >> Ok thank you Alain. Maybe we should add these information in the FAQ ;-) >> >> > done > Where is it ? I cannot find it. Are we both talking about http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq ? cheers mariano > Alain > >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> i'm looking for a way to put Pharo in demo mode with large fonts. >>>> There is a menu item in Squeak but i found nothing in Pharo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Serge, >>> >>> in Pharo 1.0 >>> Preferences setDemoFonts >>> >>> in Pharo 1.1 >>> from the setting browser, >>> style button (top button bar) then load item then you choose demo mode. >>> or >>> DemoSettingStyle new load >>> >>> Alain >>> >>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] status of i18n for Pharo

by Henrik Johansen

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:49 53PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Are there any work in progress of i18n? > I need it for DrGeo or I will have to write message in French in the code. > > Hilaire > Not sure what you mean with work in progress, but an existing alternative is the String>>translated method, which works the same in Squeak and Pharo. Squeak still contains and entry in the world menu for the tool used to edit language translations (Open -> Language Editor), while in Pharo you have to evaluate LanguageEditor open manually. To create a new locale entry you want to translate to, you'd use NaturalLanguageTranslator isoLanguage:isoCountry:. Cheers, Henry

April 28, 2010